Prior to 1911:

Cudahy Refrigerator Line:   C.R.L
Cudahy Produce Refrigerator Line:   C.P.R.L
Cudahy Oil Tank Line:  C.O.T.L.
Cudahy Stock Express:  C.S.E.
John Cudahy Packing Company:   J.C.P.Co.
Cudahy Milwaukee Refrigerator Line:  C.M.R.L.

Levi


Verified through ORER and actual railroad car pictures.

We know that different roads painted the car trucks in different ways, but I am wondering how we know what those colors are / should be?  In some instances the information is pretty stable (Great Northern had trucks painted same color as the cars) and in some instances you can tell from photographs (the Fowler Son & Co. reefer below was part of discussion a couple of weeks ago, the wheels were painted same color as the body).  Is there any listing of this information that I could be looking at?  I am specifically looking for information about trucks for the 36' Yakima Valley Apple truss rod reefers, which were part of the Northern Refrigerator Car Co.

Plenty of freight cars on this film
Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

https://youtu.be/THN9x1FNahQ

I am not too sure about some of the equivalent colors indicated in the MRH Acrylic guide. Some do not agree with what I see when I actually use the paint.  Also Vallejo is introducing new colors all the time. The 70.814 Burnt Red seems to be a recent addition (at least with an English color name) I now use as a reasonable brushable substitute for TruColor 211  SP Freight Car Red 1940-1960 and Star Brand SP-UP Freight Car Red. A gloss coat of Future over the matte of Model Color application really shows how close they are.   Vallejo color charts don't seem too accurate in my browser's rendering so I have to guess and experiment a bit.

If you have to buy Vallejo mail order from Amazon, it can be much quite expensive. I found Sprue Brothers to be a better price at  USD 2.99 for most bottles. Factor in shipping charges and I don't know what would be charged shipped to Canada.

I don't airbrush so I use the Vallejo Model Color line a lot. Properly hand brushed on a primed surface it is as good a finish as I used to get with an airbrush. In addition to the basic Model Color line ( the 70.nnn series) there are other specialty lines such as Panzer Aces that have a log of good colors for weathering and building colors in addition to military modeling. I wound up buying a lot of 71.080 Model Air Rust color when Micro-mark was selling it as Freight Car Red. I haven't used it except as a hand brush on rust wash for weathering.

Have you looked at the Tamiya rattle can reds. Their Oxide Red Fine Primer works as the right color for a finish coat of FCR for some railroads.  You might also look at their rattle can Red-Brown and Dull Red colors. Their cans have a very fine spray and the paint properly applied will equal an airbrush look.
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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek

While we're talking Vallejo, can anyone recommend a Valejo paint for Canadian boxcar red?

Jim

I'm sure there is someone on the list who can tell me when Seaboard starting painting some box cars silver, such as the Kadee PS-1 that is out there (could be after the time frame of this list). I would appreciate the help.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com

The MRH paint mapping guide suggests Vallejo Scarlet Red 72.712 for floquil oxide red.

Scarlet red looks very very red. Has anyone actually used this color and can offer an opinion before I buy a bottle.

Brian J. Carlson

Roger Hinman commented,

"Not all Cudahy’s were the same company which adds to the confusion.  The largest of them was the Cudahy Packing Co in South Omaha and later many locations. They also had the Cudahy tank line and produce line when listed.   Cudahy Milw Rfg Line was run by Cudahy Brothers in Milwaukee, later Cudahy, WI. Their brothers ran the larger business in So Omaha.

And then there are various small efforts made by John Cudahy who was a part owner of the Milwaukee company but also had some of his own private ventures. My suspicion is the car shown in the Union Fibre book has CRL reporting marks. The Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy Packing Company."

I am not an expert in lead toxicology, but I used to work with people who are.  If you are using lead flashing (or shot) to weight freight cars, the needed safety precautions are minimal:

-  keep your hands out of your mouth
-  wash them when done (or wear disposable gloves)
-  don't sand it so as to create dust

Acute toxicity, and dermal exposure, are primarily a  concern with organo-lead compounds (like tetraethyl-lead in gasoline).

The long-term chronic effects of inorganic lead ingestion are much more significant in young children who are still developing cognitively.  Most of us here are well past that part of the brain development curve.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

When were burro cranes or their like first introduced?

Dave Bott

Friday, June 19, 2020, 11:04:26 AM, you wrote:

Locomotive cranes  were found on the C&O, though apparently not in the numbers seen on some other railroads. In contrast to the meticulous  listing of C&O's wreckers, data on smaller cranes is very scattered and hard to find. I personally only photographed one  crane; RC-24, an Industrial Works/Industrial Brownhoist Model N of at least 60 tons capacity used for bridge work. Burro cranes are a special case. They are usually numbered in with the track machines (such as tampers, spike drivers, etc.), and the numbers  tend to be scattered all over. Lifting capacities are tied to the  model number, which can be found cast into the rear of the cab, under the trade name "Burro". For example. a Model 30 is good for 7½ tons. John C. La Rue, Jr. Bonita Springs, FL

I must say I love the debate.  It is like theoretical vs empirical physics...

I think I like the idea of cutting to width and gluing lead strips in the center of a side sill best so far for simplicity and for time to complete. Only concern is "safety" of lead vs tungsten.

I could see how powdered tungsten applied and glued in thin layers could also work, but might take longer and be more tedious.

Just remember the goal is to provide a weight to the steam era freight car that is sufficient for reliable operations purposes (since a static model's weight wouldn't matter).  Theoretical maximums may not even be necessary.

Reminds me of the new engineering intern who provided detailed analyses that showed heating plant X to be the most thermodynamically and cost efficient to replace the old system.  And then the seasoned engineer pointed out that the physical dimensions of that theoretically best unit were about 30% greater than any known access point into the building.  Gotta keep the ultimate goal in mind.  Of course some find noodling on the ideas a hobby in and of itself!

Having fun...

Dave

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