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Railroad-Owned Poultry Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Railroad-Owned Poultry Cars

According to the book, Car Shop Practice, from the Board of Railway Mechanical Officials and the Railway Training Institute (published in 1925), there were 24 railroad-owned poultry cars in service in 1924.

Does anyone have a 1924 ORER that would tell us which railroads owned these poultry cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I don’t know if they made it into the 1950s, but here’s one to add to the list of California manufacturers:

Pomona Valley Model Supply, Inc.    107 East Main Street    Puente, California   

They were makers of O Scale passenger cars and locomotives.   There is likely some tie-in to Minton Cronkite who was the creator of the original Q Scale railroad at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago and exhibition layouts for the AT&SF.  

They had models of the CB&Q E5 and Shovelnose units that were great even by today’s standards.

Another O Scale company:

Lobaugh Model Trains began business in 1931, founded by Rollin J. Lobaugh (1895 - 1965), in San Francisco, California

 

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Pearsall
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

 

Bob:

 

I have some updated information on Blue Line, Cliff Line and Don Fowler if you’re interested. Reply off list. Thank you.

 

Frank Pearsall

Brevard, N.C.



On Jun 25, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.

I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.

Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market. 

I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.

One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

 

Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)

 

 

 

 

 

A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach

 

 

Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena

 

 

Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City

 

 

Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn

 

Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres

 

Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara

 

 

Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles

 

 

Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles

 

 

Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach

 

 

Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood

 

 

Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley

 

 

Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands

 

Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles

 

 

Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks

 

 

C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich

 

Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood

 

 

Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood

 

 

Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena

 

 

Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles

 

 

E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam

 

Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

Globe

 

 

 

 

Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank

 

 

Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima

 

 

Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards

 

Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.

 

KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles

 

 

Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay

 

Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita

 

 

Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles

 

 

Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte

 

 

Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier

 

Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler

 

Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank

 

 

Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena

 

 

Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas

 

 

Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank

 

 

Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia

 

 

Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo

 

 

Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles

 

 

Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser

 

Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City

 

 

Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga

 

 

Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles

 

 

Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City

 

 

Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood

 

Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach

 

 

Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys

 

 

Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood

 

 

Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica

 

 

Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas

 

 

K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys

 

 

G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas

 

 

Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright

 

 

 

1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose

1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville

Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson

1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg

1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa

1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale

 

 

 


Re: Placard: Concentrated Floor Loading

mopacfirst
 

Now I get it.  This placard is not for use for the company doing the loading, unless they had contacted the LV about advice on the load and the railroad sent them this placard to attach along with whatever else was attached, or the LV carmen themselves attached this placard after the car was picked up.

The placard is for the advice of any train or switch crew handling this car, up to the point of spotting it at the receiver's dock, to be careful with it in order to avoid heavy switching causing the load to displace and possibly collapsing or destabilizing the car.

Ron Merrick


Re: Placard: Concentrated Floor Loading

Stic Harris
 

Appreciated Bob.

Thank you!

Stic

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
I contacted the seller on e-Bay.
The size is 8" x 4".
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



--


- Stic


Re: Placard: Concentrated Floor Loading

Bob Chaparro
 

I contacted the seller on e-Bay.
The size is 8" x 4".
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Frank Pearsall
 

Bob:

I have some updated information on Blue Line, Cliff Line and Don Fowler if you’re interested. Reply off list. Thank you.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.

On Jun 25, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers
I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.
I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.
Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market.  
I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.
One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
++++
1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

 

Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)

 
 
 
 
 

A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach

 
 

Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena

 
 

Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City

 
 

Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn

 

Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres

 

Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara

 
 

Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles

 
 

Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles

 
 

Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach

 
 

Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood

 
 

Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley

 
 

Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands

 

Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles

 
 

Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks

 
 

C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich

 

Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood

 
 

Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood

 
 

Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena

 
 

Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles

 
 

E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam

 

Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 
 

G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 
 

Globe

 
 
 
 

Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank

 
 

Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima

 
 

Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards

 

Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.

 

KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles

 
 

Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay

 

Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita

 

 

Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles

 
 

Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte

 
 

Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier

 

Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler

 

Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank

 
 

Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena

 
 

Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas

 
 

Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank

 
 

Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia

 
 

Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 
 

Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo

 
 

Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles

 
 

Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser

 

Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City

 
 

Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga

 
 

Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles

 
 

Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City

 
 

Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood

 

Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach

 
 

Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 
 

Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys

 
 

Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood

 
 

Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica

 
 

Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas

 
 

K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys

 
 

G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas

 
 

Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright

 

 

 

1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose
1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville
Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson
1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg
1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa
1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale

 

 



Re: 1950s model manufacturers - was Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Peter Ness
 

Bob, Thanks for publishing as I also have an interest in the hobby history.

 

These may not help much, but perhaps be enough to jog someone’s’ memory for correct information; The newer ownership may well have removed them from a Southern California location.

 

Ayers Models – these were picked up by someone else-  I recall seeing the Ayers Chairs kit in Walthers catalogs, but no longer manufactured by Ayers.

Cliff Line – I recall reading years ago this line was also picked up by another company? Or perhaps I’m confusing with Dale Newton/Red Ball/Wabash Valley…

Ulrich – at one time Walthers appeared to at least manage this line along with Silver Streak; I think the products were identified as “a division of Wm K Walthers” on packaging. As of a couple years ago, someone turned up in an ebay search who was still selling limited Ulrich vehicle cast metal parts under the Ulrich name.

Kurtz-Kraft – I “think” Cannonball Car Shops produced some Kurtz-Kraft flat PS-1 kits.  I bought one in a hobby shop years ago – the shop owner told me “they used to be Kurtz-Kraft”.

Lindsay  - I am pretty sure this product line went to someone else as well; I have an old Lindsay Alco FB-2 die cast shell; may have been Hobbytown or Cary?

Revell – they also made structure kits and (my opinion) to this day have the finest styrene brick wall molding detail around (roundhouse, bakery and print shop kits).  I recall reading about the kit die-maker (or designer?) years ago.  His name was Armitage and he wrote a short booklet on working with styrene which is still available today (newer edition, from PSC) I believe the model railroad equipment and structure lines followed different paths after Revell; I recall seeing the structure kits from both AHM and Con-Cor.

 

Tony – I enjoyed your Globe blog as well – thanks for posting the link.

 

To keep this within STMFC content; It’s amazing (to me) that “back in the day” some manufacturers really made such a top effort to produce both accurate and detailed freight car kits working with the available technology. The first wood freight car kit I built was a Silver Streak 36’ Wood New Haven box car. The car tuned out very nicely (my opinion) and had I used todays available detail parts (brake wheel, housing, car ends, underbody parts, stirrup steps, NBW castings, etc.) and appropriate wire for grab irons instead of what came with the kit, I think it would still stand up with many of today’s offerings. Perhaps not at the top of the heap, but in the running or honorable mention categories. Of course as a kid, almost my entire roster was Athearn and MDC/Roundhouse with a smattering of Varney and Tyco/Mantua….98 cents per kit was hard to beat for a kid with an allowance determined by weekly chore performance….

 

Stay healthy,

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

 

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.

I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.

Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market. 

I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.

One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

 

Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)

 

 

 

 

 

A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach

 

 

Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena

 

 

Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City

 

 

Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn

 

Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres

 

Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara

 

 

Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles

 

 

Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles

 

 

Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach

 

 

Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood

 

 

Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley

 

 

Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands

 

Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles

 

 

Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks

 

 

C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich

 

Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood

 

 

Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood

 

 

Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena

 

 

Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles

 

 

E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam

 

Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

Globe

 

 

 

 

Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank

 

 

Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima

 

 

Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards

 

Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.

 

KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles

 

 

Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay

 

Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita

 

 

Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles

 

 

Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte

 

 

Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier

 

Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler

 

Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank

 

 

Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena

 

 

Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas

 

 

Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank

 

 

Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia

 

 

Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo

 

 

Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles

 

 

Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser

 

Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City

 

 

Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga

 

 

Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles

 

 

Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City

 

 

Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood

 

Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach

 

 

Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys

 

 

Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood

 

 

Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica

 

 

Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas

 

 

K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys

 

 

G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas

 

 

Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright

 

 

 

1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose

1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville

Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson

1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg

1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa

1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale

 

 


Re: 410M -paint

Mont Switzer
 

No for a second coat. That stuff covered everything including rivets! That is what we had back in the 1960's.

Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.
Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.
mswitzer@switzertc.com
(765) 836-2914

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

And a tiny nit in Bob's list: the Stewart-Lundahl paint was 410M. I struggled with it myself, so I am sure of the answer <g>.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: SP F-70-7 image

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Andy,

Those structures on the deck form a V-shaped trough. The weight of the coils was supposed to keep them in place. However, they did shift during transit, causing the cradles to crack. Post-STMFC cars of this type received heavier ends and "wave" pattern side braces, and presumably the earlier cars were rebuilt with heavier cradles.

Tony was too modest to point out that his SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT CARS V.3 covers these cars. Pages 338-341 have many photos of these cars, including showing the trough from deck level. His photo cutlines tell us that the first block of these cars was converted from F-70-7 flat cars in 1956-1957. On page 322 there is a roster of these cars showing when the four number blocks were converted, which will be useful to a STMFC modeler wanting to add some of these cars, but I will summarize. The largest block were the initial 165 cars in series 595000-595164, with 50 more cars in series 595165-595214 following in 1959. The notes show 595000-595149 were assigned to USS's Columbia works in Utah, with 595150-595164 assigned to Kaiser Steel (Fontana works?). The 1959 cars were all assigned to USS Columbia. The Columbia cars likely showed up at USS steel's re-rolling plant in Pittsburg (no "h"), California, which the Columbia works supplied. This suggests that they would be regularly seen in SP through trains on the Overland Route from late 1956 to the end of our period of interest.

The third block was completed right at the end of our time period in 1960, and the last with the wave bracing in 1963. No assignments are mentioned for these cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:07 PM Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:
What's to keep steel coils on that car. 
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Bob's Photo Still in business?

Bill Welch
 

I spoke with him three times this week. Very much in business and welcomes requests. It is important to have information like Car Number series.

Bill Welch


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

 

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 04:13 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
The Train-Master story is true: https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/14937?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,train+master,20,2,0,59798692

I don't believe they were a direct descendent of Silver Streak or Tru-Scale but they did pick-up some product lines from those companies. When I visited their production facility in La Mesa. CA, during the NMRA Silvergate Convention oh-so-many years ago they represented themselves as a new company.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Speaking of T-M and Silvergate convention

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-scale-Trains-Miniature-SIlver-Gate-Convention-box-car-Vintage/303600036332?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3D1f754d5f655e4854b4e595a38f31ada6%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D292084061665%26itm%3D303600036332%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2386202.c100677.m4598

Dan Smith


Re: SP F-70-7 image

 

What's to keep steel coils on that car. 
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: ATSF 5714 Fx 8 color photo

John Barry
 

Nice castings Tom!

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, June 22, 2020, 05:45:49 PM EDT, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:


Aaannnnnndd - the Resin Car Works kit:



Tom Madden


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I couldn’t see it all, either.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

 

Bob,

 

Thank you. This one and the other emails are all very interesting and educational.

 

I was unable to read the "Company"  column of your chart, as it was truncated in your email. I don't know if I am the only reader having this problem.

 

May I ask if you could provide the information in an attachment? It may better survive the vagaries of email mutilation.

 

Again, Thank you.

 

Ken Montero

On 06/25/2020 7:29 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.

I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.

Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market. 

I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.

One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

 

Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)

A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach

Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena

Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City

Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn

Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres

Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara

Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles

Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles

Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach

Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood

Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley

Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands

Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles

Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks

C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich

Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood

Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood

Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena

Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles

E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam

Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

Globe

Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank

Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima

Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards

Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.

KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles

Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay

Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita

Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles

Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte

Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier

Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler

Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank

Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena

Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas

Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank

Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia

Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo

Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles

Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser

Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City

Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga

Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles

Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City

Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood

Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach

Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys

Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood

Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles

Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica

Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas

K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys

G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas

Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys

Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright

 

 

1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose

1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville

Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson

1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg

1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa

1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale

 

 


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Tony Thompson
 

And a tiny nit in Bob's list: the Stewart-Lundahl paint was 410M. I struggled with it myself, so I am sure of the answer <g>.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Bob's Photo Still in business?

Matthew Hurst
 

Yes he is still in business. 

He doesn’t have email. 

Just call him. He will answer

Matthew Hurst


On Jun 25, 2020, at 8:22 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Yes, he doesn't use email, his phone number is(808)845-3323
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:19 PM Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if Bob of Bob's Photo is still operating? The Email is not valid any more.

Bob's Photo address is:
P.O. Box 52
Wallingford, KY 41093
606-845-3323



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Tony Thompson
 

I don't believe that Globe should be in the very interesting list sent by Bob Chaparro. They were founded in Milwaukee, moved to Chicago late in their life, and were bought by Athearn in the early 1950s. I have encapsulated their history (and some of their ads) in a blog post awhile back, and if you're interested, here is a link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/10/some-old-metal-tank-car-kits.html

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Bob's Photo Still in business?

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes, he doesn't use email, his phone number is(808)845-3323
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:19 PM Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if Bob of Bob's Photo is still operating? The Email is not valid any more.

Bob's Photo address is:
P.O. Box 52
Wallingford, KY 41093
606-845-3323



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Bob's Photo Still in business?

Rick Naylor
 

Does anyone know if Bob of Bob's Photo is still operating? The Email is not valid any more.

Bob's Photo address is:
P.O. Box 52
Wallingford, KY 41093
606-845-3323


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Kenneth Montero
 

Bob,

Thank you. This one and the other emails are all very interesting and educational.

I was unable to read the "Company"  column of your chart, as it was truncated in your email. I don't know if I am the only reader having this problem.

May I ask if you could provide the information in an attachment? It may better survive the vagaries of email mutilation.

Again, Thank you.

Ken Montero

On 06/25/2020 7:29 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.

I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.

Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market.  

I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.

One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers


Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)






A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach



Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena



Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City



Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn


Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres


Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara



Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles



Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles



Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach



Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood



Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley



Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands


Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles



Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks



C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich


Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood



Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood



Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena



Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles



E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam


Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles



G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles



Globe





Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank



Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima



Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards


Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.


KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles



Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay


Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita



Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles



Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte



Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier


Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler


Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank



Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena



Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas



Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank



Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia



Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles



Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo



Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles



Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser


Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City



Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga



Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles



Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City



Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood


Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach



Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles



Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys



Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood



Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles








Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica



Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas



K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys



G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas



Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys























Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright




1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose

1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville

Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson

1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg

1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa

1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale



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