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Re: Photos: PFE 36624 (R-40-2)
Jack Mullen
John Vachon photos for FSA/OWI Chicago, July 1941.
Carload of onions. Note that they're packed in mesh bags and a temporary wooden deck is used to void stacking too high. Jack Mullen
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Re: Car weighting
william darnaby
I have never paid any attention to the NMRA weighting recommendations and couldn't begin to say what they are. For styrene cars I use what I am given. For resin cars of any kind I use I use six of the 1/4 oz. sticky weights in a strip. Exceptions would be resin flat cars which get what ever fits underneath and resin hoppers which get basically nothing beyond trucks and couplers. I also run empty Kadee 2-bay hoppers with no added weight. I have no derailment issues. Carefully laid track helps. Bill Darnaby
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Re: Tank car projects
Randy Hammill
Sure they did:
https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-10000-gallon-1917-design-radial-course-tank-car/ Randy -- — Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
eastwest40
I hope there is a prototype for the red car. I have a Arnold Rapido N scale car.
I have been hanging onto it for.years I don't know what type of tank car the model is but I think it is a nice model, probably forty years old. After reading this thread I think it was inspired by some other model rather than a prototype.
Chuck Seemann Aurora, Colorado
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Re: Tank car projects
Tangent Scale Models
Incidentally, I was recently in a brick and mortar shop that had one each of the Tangent Scale Modesl Humble and Sinclair 10,000 GATC 1917-Design tank cars. In case anyone is interested in those, please contact me OFF LIST and I will get you a shop name. These 2 schemes have been sold out for approximately 2 years.
Best wishes, David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Bill Decker
Andy,
Not wanting to get into a flame war here, especially with oil refinery products about, but your statement: "Rio Grande, while being owned by Richfield Oil, was the recipient of the only US 48 states enemy attack during WWll. That attack was just north of the current University Of California Santa Barbara at an area on the coast called Ellwood Beach. " is incorrect as to "only US 48 states enemy attack during WWII. We had a discussion on this point quite recently on line. Up here in Oregon, we know well of the shelling at Fort Stevens on the south side of the mouth of the Columbia--and served off the A-Line of the (by then) SP&S. That recent discussion also highlighted the flambé le balloon attacks which netted fatalities in southern oregon later in the war (though not close to a rail line). If you are trying to limit the attack issue to a refinery area, yes, perhaps, but certainly not the only attack on the Pacific Coast. Bill Decker McMinnville, Oregon
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Re: Tank car projects
Tangent Scale Models
Andy Carlson wrote: "I don't believe that Tangent has made a 10000 gallon GATC tank car (yet). "
Andy, Tangent has a website and this page shows our 1917-design tanks with 10,000 gallon radial course tanks. https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-10000-gallon-1917-design-radial-course-tank-car/ It is at the bottom of the cars available page since this model is sold out at this time. You can go here to see the models that exist out there probably on people's shelves: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product-category/sold-out/sold-out-general-american-1917-design-10000-gallon-non-insulated-tank-car/ The Type 27 ACF tanks have the long longitudinal courses and could be placed on a Tangent Type 17 underframe - to create a model of a GATC 1922-design tank. Some shots of one of these online: TWOX http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=874265 From the steam era, there are other schemes like Union Oil of California and British American, but that is a start. Note the center of the car banding present on the GATC builds that is not present on the ACF builds from 1927 but those bands are modelable... David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models
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Re: Tank car projects
Tony Thompson
Rich Christie wrote:
Actually, the modeling description was an article in Railroad Model Craftsman, published back in July 2011. I don't have a scan of the article, but do have a PDF of what I sent to RMC, if anyone is interested. It is a fairly big PDF, about 5 MB, in case that might be a challenge. Here's a blog post about the article. The Athearn part of the tank swap was a shortened "chemical" insulated car.
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Richard Townsend
That's pretty much what I was thinking. B&W photos might be scarce since with some film black-on-red = black. FWIW, Socony-Vacuum (another baby Standard - Standard Oil Company of New York) had some bright red cars so maybe that was something some Standards (two, anyway) did in common. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Tony Thompson <tony@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions Richard Townsend wrote:
Photograph would be nice, of course. But AFAIK all the early Champ stuff is totally prototype based, even if some lettering is a little crude. I am not aware of any Champ foibles from the 1948 era.
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
1948 is still in the post war optimism era. Could it have been a one off for display purposes.
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It wouldn’t be the first time that error was made. A certain heavily over-represented obscure tank car in gray/silver comes to mind. Brian J. Carlson
On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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Re: Tank car projects
Richard Townsend
Without looking at the parts, I think the worst case might be having to lengthen the Tangent underframe. That would take two underframes. But the left-over ends could be used for a 4,000 gallon tank! Removing the molded-on tank straps would not be easy, but I think it's doable. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 6:59 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank car projects I don't believe that Tangent has made a 10000 gallon GATC tank car (yet). Years ago, I discovered that the ACF Type 27 10000 gallon tank was nearly identical in dimensions as the GATC built similar sized tanks. The wheel bases of the truck centers differed on the tank cars, meaning that the securing straps, which line up with the bolsters, would be different. So an Intermountain tank car, with molded on portions of these tie down straps would have to have these straps removed. I don't know if an IM 10K tank swap to a Tangent 8000 gallon tank car frame would be falling-off-a-cliff easy. Is there a deal killer to doing such a kit bash?
Regards,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Tony Thompson
Richard Townsend wrote:
Photograph would be nice, of course. But AFAIK all the early Champ stuff is totally prototype based, even if some lettering is a little crude. I am not aware of any Champ foibles from the 1948 era. Tony Thompson
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Re: Tank car projects
Rich C
Andy, I know Tony Thompson did some cross-bashing with Intermountain and Athearn tankers. I believe he has that info in his blog. Rich Christie
On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 08:59:31 PM CDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I don't believe that Tangent has made a 10000 gallon GATC tank car (yet). Years ago, I discovered that the ACF Type 27 10000 gallon tank was nearly identical in dimensions as the GATC built similar sized tanks. The wheel bases of the truck centers differed on the tank cars, meaning that the securing straps, which line up with the bolsters, would be different. So an Intermountain tank car, with molded on portions of these tie down straps would have to have these straps removed. I don't know if an IM 10K tank swap to a Tangent 8000 gallon tank car frame would be falling-off-a-cliff easy. Is there a deal killer to doing such a kit bash? Regards, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Ethyl Corporation Tank Car EBAX 3197
Andy Miller
Schuyler (et. Al.) A photo of my EBAX car is still on line at: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/millera/ebax3064main.html
Regards, Andy Miller
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ethyl Corporation Tank Car EBAX 3197
Andy Miller (might be on this list) modeled one of the attached cars by printing the paint scheme on a thin plastic wrapper that covered the car, and applying the dome afterwards. Very clever and a good looking car.
Thanks, Garth, for the image.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Attached is a photo of an Ethyl tank car on the WP circa 1978 at Oroville. Note how small the car is.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Tank car projects
Andy Carlson
I don't believe that Tangent has made a 10000 gallon GATC tank car (yet). Years ago, I discovered that the ACF Type 27 10000 gallon tank was nearly identical in dimensions as the GATC built similar sized tanks. The wheel bases of the truck centers differed on the tank cars, meaning that the securing straps, which line up with the bolsters, would be different. So an Intermountain tank car, with molded on portions of these tie down straps would have to have these straps removed. I don't know if an IM 10K tank swap to a Tangent 8000 gallon tank car frame would be falling-off-a-cliff easy. Is there a deal killer to doing such a kit bash? Regards, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Photos: PFE 36624 (R-40-2)
Photos: PFE 36624 (R-40-2) Undated photos from the Library of Congress, probably from the early 1940s: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017812535/ https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017812536/ The TIFF versions show the most details. The second of these photos was published here in 2017. On the first photo, notice the SP herald is a metal shield, not a painted on stencil. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Eric Hansmann
After a couple quick searches I did find a few Conoco tank cars on Colorado narrow gauge lines but none seemed to have red lettering. Silver tank cars had green lettering and black tank cars had white lettering.
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I was unable to read gallon capacities. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Jun 27, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:
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CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Andy Carlson
This talk of vintage California gasoline producers brought up the mention of Tidewater/Associated. Associated was a large brand in California going by "Flying A", not be confused with the Pegasus of Mobile Oil. Richard Hendrickson once sent me a picture of an Associated tank car (what a loss when he left us). On the cover of one of Ted Cullota's Speedwitch Media's books is a Rio Grande Petroleum tank car. Rio Grande, while being owned by Richfield Oil, was the recipient of the only US 48 states enemy attack during WWll. That attack was just north of the current University Of California Santa Barbara at an area on the coast called Ellwood Beach. The billionaire from the Beeny Babies toy company has raised all of the remaining oil field structures and has made a golf course with expensive homes on that famous site. The Barnsdall/Rio Grande gas station survives in derelict condition surrounded by all of this oppulence. The Rio Grande Petroleum Co. had many gas stations and provided free company road maps both pre-war and post. Richfield kept the company as an individual company until sometime in the 1960s or early 1970s. I would like to have an HO decal for that Rio Grande tank car! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Barnsdall/Rio Grande gas station. Was used in a scene from the movie "The Postman rings twice" _._,_._,_
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Dave Parker
On tank cars, I think "EC" always means East Chicago (IN). GA built cars there, and Sinclair serviced theirs at the refinery.
-- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions
Taking one more step into the weeds, for years into the 1930’s the head of Atlantic Refining was headed by John W. Van Dyke, the same guy who lent his name to the UTLX steel tank car designs from the beginning of the century, the Class X and V cars.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
At the risk of going way too far down into the weeds:
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