Date   

TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

Andy Carlson
 

With a reweigh of 5-59 this barely fits in our era of preference. My notes has this as a Tidewater tank car, if so I suppose it would be a west coast Associated Oil Co. Flying A portion of the merger. A break from the more common black tank cars. My friend, Brent MacGregor, has the original Kodachrome and would be happy to provide high quality digital prints for this car and thousands of others.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Inline image


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Jim Gates
 

I guess that means the box for my first TM car is more of a collectors than the car.

Jim Gates

On Monday, June 29, 2020, 05:59:25 PM CDT, Richard Bale via groups.io <rhbale@...> wrote:


This should put a wrap on the tale of Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature.

Francis Edward ‘Ted; Hollow launched Slim Princess Scale Models in San Diego in the late 1950s while still in the US Navy. The product line featured HOn3 narrow gauge freight car kits. He went into the model business full-time in 1964 when he began importing brass models under the name of Balboa Scale Models.

 

In 1968 Hollow ventured into plastic models with Train-Miniature in a small plant in La Mesa on the east side of San Diego. Consultants on planning the HO product line included Richard Hendrickson, who was then teaching at San Diego State, and Alan Armitage, who designed the tooling  which, to keep cost down, used a common underframe for both reefers and boxcars, with various slides for sides and roofs - a concept that Hendrickson, driven by authenticity,  could not abide. He withdrew from the project but continued to consult for Balboa. Tom Ayres, who had been handling photography and advertising for Balboa, developed the packaging and marketing plan for Train-Miniature.

 

There was no shortage of brain power in developing the Train-Miniature line although it got off to an embarrassing start. The initial product name was Train-Master but that was almost immediately changed to Train-Miniature due to a conflict with ownership of the name. Tom Ayres took the blame for the lack of due diligence. Only a portion of the initial release got into the market in boxes labeled Train-Masters.

 

Hollow purchased the Tru-Scale line of plastic structures in October 1968. The following year, he acquired the Tru-Scale work train including the well-executed Hart convertible gondola which were all issued under the Train-Miniature name. Hollow was a very aggressive and creative marketer. In addition to the usual hobby stores, he managed to get his products into general line craft stores and some 5&10 variety stores.

 

In the late 1970s Hollow was forced to liquidate for personal reasons. Train-Miniature was purchased by Dave Rouzer of South Holland IL who marketed the line under the name Train Miniature of Illinois Ltd.  Rouzer sold the line to Walthers in 1984 which folded the line into their own selection of freight cars. Walthers reintroduced the FA-1 and FB-1 diesels with an entirely new chassis and drive system in 1997.

 

In December 1967 Ron Parkhurst of Timberline Models (Denver) purchased the Slim Princess line of HOn3 car kits. The purchase did not include the lost wax brass detail parts. 

Dick Bale


Re: Covered Hoppers

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Yarmouth, yes yes yes.


Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, June 29, 2020, 05:55:09 PM CDT, Rob & Bev Manley <robev1630@...> wrote:


Eric,
Sorry. Yes that's correct, RCW. They sit next to each other at Lisle. Excellent product. I have to grow up and get some for the IM cars I have yet to buy. I still like the Bowsers until I turn the end supports into Swiss Cheese.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, June 29, 2020, 04:22:53 PM CDT, Michael Gross <actormichaelgross@...> wrote:


Dear Rob,

You reference the Resin Car Works covered hopper roof hardware, but I can't find such an item.  Are you confusing it with the Yarmouth model works kit  #YMW-103?

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: a few more images...

Donald B. Valentine
 

 

 

a few more images...
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:19:56 PDT

Hi List Members,

 

Here are a few more images...

 

 

 

Quite a bit of misinformation about this car and its sisters, Claus, though it is from the source not ypu.

Most notable is the fact that none of these cars were ever refrigerated. They were super insulated, if you

will, to the point where milk cooled to 39F before being piped into the car rarely increased by more than a

degree in nearly two days as General American proved with some of their first such cars constructed in the

mid-1920’s. I’m not aware of any surviving Borden “butterdish” style milk cars but there are a few of the

6,000 gal. General American - Pfaudler Corp. milk cars in railroad museums around the country. Unfortunately

there are none here in New England where the first and some of the last such cars ran.

 

My best, Don Valentine

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

This should put a wrap on the tale of Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature.

Francis Edward ‘Ted; Hollow launched Slim Princess Scale Models in San Diego in the late 1950s while still in the US Navy. The product line featured HOn3 narrow gauge freight car kits. He went into the model business full-time in 1964 when he began importing brass models under the name of Balboa Scale Models.

 

In 1968 Hollow ventured into plastic models with Train-Miniature in a small plant in La Mesa on the east side of San Diego. Consultants on planning the HO product line included Richard Hendrickson, who was then teaching at San Diego State, and Alan Armitage, who designed the tooling  which, to keep cost down, used a common underframe for both reefers and boxcars, with various slides for sides and roofs - a concept that Hendrickson, driven by authenticity,  could not abide. He withdrew from the project but continued to consult for Balboa. Tom Ayres, who had been handling photography and advertising for Balboa, developed the packaging and marketing plan for Train-Miniature.

 

There was no shortage of brain power in developing the Train-Miniature line although it got off to an embarrassing start. The initial product name was Train-Master but that was almost immediately changed to Train-Miniature due to a conflict with ownership of the name. Tom Ayres took the blame for the lack of due diligence. Only a portion of the initial release got into the market in boxes labeled Train-Masters.

 

Hollow purchased the Tru-Scale line of plastic structures in October 1968. The following year, he acquired the Tru-Scale work train including the well-executed Hart convertible gondola which were all issued under the Train-Miniature name. Hollow was a very aggressive and creative marketer. In addition to the usual hobby stores, he managed to get his products into general line craft stores and some 5&10 variety stores.

 

In the late 1970s Hollow was forced to liquidate for personal reasons. Train-Miniature was purchased by Dave Rouzer of South Holland IL who marketed the line under the name Train Miniature of Illinois Ltd.  Rouzer sold the line to Walthers in 1984 which folded the line into their own selection of freight cars. Walthers reintroduced the FA-1 and FB-1 diesels with an entirely new chassis and drive system in 1997.

 

In December 1967 Ron Parkhurst of Timberline Models (Denver) purchased the Slim Princess line of HOn3 car kits. The purchase did not include the lost wax brass detail parts. 

Dick Bale


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

Bob...

There's lots of good information on your chart. Thanks for publishing it. Here is some additional notes to fill-in a few of your boxes:

 

Athearn was purchased by the Geddes Family, than by Horizon Hobby

Bowser was founded by William “Bill” Bowser

Champion was never in SoCal

Globe was originated by Hal Prendergast and purchased by Athearn

The founders of Kadee were Keith and Dale Edwards

Lindsay was subsequently purchased by Kemtron

Model Die Casting was established by Charles Voelckel and Clarence Menteer. It was eventually acquired by Horizon Hobby

Silver Streak was originated by Hal Prendergast, purchased by Athearn, than sold to Mr. Menzies of G&G Hobby Supply, San Dimas.

Ulrich was subsequently purchased by Walthers

Weston Mini-Figures was purchased by Campbell Scale Models


In a message dated 6/25/2020 4:29:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, chiefbobbb@... writes:

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.

I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.

Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market.  

I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.

One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

 

Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)

 

 

 

 

 

A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach

 

 

Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena

 

 

Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City

 

 

Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn

 

Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres

 

Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara

 

 

Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles

 

 

Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles

 

 

Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach

 

 

Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood

 

 

Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley

 

 

Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands

 

Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles

 

 

Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks

 

 

C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich

 

Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood

 

 

Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood

 

 

Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena

 

 

Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles

 

 

E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam

 

Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

Globe

 

 

 

 

Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank

 

 

Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima

 

 

Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards

 

Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.

 

KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles

 

 

Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay

 

Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita

 

 

Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles

 

 

Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte

 

 

Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier

 

Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler

 

Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank

 

 

Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena

 

 

Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas

 

 

Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank

 

 

Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia

 

 

Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo

 

 

Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles

 

 

Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser

 

Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City

 

 

Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga

 

 

Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles

 

 

Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City

 

 

Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood

 

Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach

 

 

Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys

 

 

Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood

 

 

Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica

 

 

Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas

 

 

K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys

 

 

G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas

 

 

Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright

 

 

 

1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose

1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville

Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson

1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg

1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa

1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale

 

 


Re: 1950s model manufacturers - was Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 


Indeed, Alan Armitage designed the Revell engine house and fought hard with management who wanted nice even bricks rather than the weathered variety. The tool maker on that project was Jack Parker, who later purchased Central Valley Models.
Richard Bale

In a message dated 6/26/2020 10:50:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, destorzek@... writes:

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 07:08 AM, Peter Ness wrote:

Revell – they also made structure kits and (my opinion) to this day have the finest styrene brick wall molding detail around (roundhouse, bakery and print shop kits).  I recall reading about the kit die-maker (or designer?) years ago.  His name was Armitage and he wrote a short booklet on working with styrene which is still available today (newer edition, from PSC)

That would be Al Armitage, the "dean of styrene". With that booklet he singlehandedly changed the course of scratchbuilding (and pattern making) in our hobby. As to the Revell engine house/bakery/print shop, that was cast tooling. The brickwork has so much character because every single one of those scale size bricks was placed in the pattern by hand.

 

 

To keep this within STMFC content; It’s amazing (to me) that “back in the day” some manufacturers really made such a top effort to produce both accurate and detailed freight car kits working with the available technology. The first wood freight car kit I built was a Silver Streak 36’ Wood New Haven box car. The car tuned out very nicely (my opinion) and had I used todays available detail parts (brake wheel, housing, car ends, underbody parts, stirrup steps, NBW castings, etc.) and appropriate wire for grab irons instead of what came with the kit, I think it would still stand up with many of today’s offerings.

The problem I've always had with the old wood craftsman kits was the maker's insistence on using Northeastern scribed wood for the car siding, the stuff with the inch wide gaps for board grooves. The hobby didn't get a decent representation of V groove siding until Evergreen came out with their scribed sheet in the late seventies.

Dennis Storzek

 

 


Re: 1950s model manufacturers - was Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

thmsdmpsy
 

Both Cliff LIne and Clover Decals are currently owned by Clover House.  Tom Dempsey, Owner, Clover House

On Friday, June 26, 2020, 07:09:04 AM PDT, Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:


Bob, Thanks for publishing as I also have an interest in the hobby history.

 

These may not help much, but perhaps be enough to jog someone’s’ memory for correct information; The newer ownership may well have removed them from a Southern California location.

 

Ayers Models – these were picked up by someone else-  I recall seeing the Ayers Chairs kit in Walthers catalogs, but no longer manufactured by Ayers.

Cliff Line – I recall reading years ago this line was also picked up by another company? Or perhaps I’m confusing with Dale Newton/Red Ball/Wabash Valley…

Ulrich – at one time Walthers appeared to at least manage this line along with Silver Streak; I think the products were identified as “a division of Wm K Walthers” on packaging. As of a couple years ago, someone turned up in an ebay search who was still selling limited Ulrich vehicle cast metal parts under the Ulrich name.

Kurtz-Kraft – I “think” Cannonball Car Shops produced some Kurtz-Kraft flat PS-1 kits.  I bought one in a hobby shop years ago – the shop owner told me “they used to be Kurtz-Kraft”.

Lindsay  - I am pretty sure this product line went to someone else as well; I have an old Lindsay Alco FB-2 die cast shell; may have been Hobbytown or Cary?

Revell – they also made structure kits and (my opinion) to this day have the finest styrene brick wall molding detail around (roundhouse, bakery and print shop kits).  I recall reading about the kit die-maker (or designer?) years ago.  His name was Armitage and he wrote a short booklet on working with styrene which is still available today (newer edition, from PSC) I believe the model railroad equipment and structure lines followed different paths after Revell; I recall seeing the structure kits from both AHM and Con-Cor.

 

Tony – I enjoyed your Globe blog as well – thanks for posting the link.

 

To keep this within STMFC content; It’s amazing (to me) that “back in the day” some manufacturers really made such a top effort to produce both accurate and detailed freight car kits working with the available technology. The first wood freight car kit I built was a Silver Streak 36’ Wood New Haven box car. The car tuned out very nicely (my opinion) and had I used todays available detail parts (brake wheel, housing, car ends, underbody parts, stirrup steps, NBW castings, etc.) and appropriate wire for grab irons instead of what came with the kit, I think it would still stand up with many of today’s offerings. Perhaps not at the top of the heap, but in the running or honorable mention categories. Of course as a kid, almost my entire roster was Athearn and MDC/Roundhouse with a smattering of Varney and Tyco/Mantua….98 cents per kit was hard to beat for a kid with an allowance determined by weekly chore performance….

 

Stay healthy,

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

 

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

I've had discussions with several people who are/were model railroad manufacturers and asked them about their fellow model railroad manufacturers who were in Southern California in the 1950s. This was golden age locally with many firms located in the area.

I learned in those days long past the manufacturers were somewhat of a fraternity who frequently met socially (usually monthly) to discuss the hobby and product plans.

Sometimes they traded product lines that were either in development or on the market. 

I started to compile a list of Southern California manufacturers from the decade of the 1950s. The current list is below. It is based on advertisements placed in Model Railroader in the 1950 through 1959 January issues plus interviews with folks who were still alive to confirm details.

One point I will mention is how to pronounce the name "Suydam". I learned from the son of one of the company founders that it is pronounced "So Damn", as in "It is so damn hot outside".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1950s Southern California Model RR Manufacturers

 

Company

Primary Products

City

Original Owner(s)

Subsequent Owner(s)

 

 

 

 

 

A.C.I.

Locomotive

Long Beach

 

 

Ace Products

Roadbed

Pasadena

 

 

Art Fleming Models

Grab Irons, Car Kits

Studio City

 

 

Athearn

O & HO Models

Los Angeles

Irvin R. Athearn

 

Ayres Models

Structures

Garden Grove

Thomas Ayres

 

Baumgarten

Track Cleaner

Santa Barbara

 

 

Beemax Plastics

Structures

Los Angeles

 

 

Bert Welch Co.

Trees & Bushes

Los Angeles

 

 

Bill Johnson Model Trains

O Scale Passenger Cars

Long Beach

 

 

Binkley Models

HO, HOn3 Kits

Inglewood

 

 

Blue Line Products

Passenger Cars

Spring Valley

 

 

Bowser

Steam Loco & Parts

Redlands

 

Lewis English (1961)

Boxcar Ken

Rail

Los Angeles

 

 

Budd Model Co.

Steam Loco Parts

Sherman Oaks

 

 

C. J. Ulrich

Track Cleaner, Signals

North Hollywood

Charles J. Ulrich

 

Central Valley

Trucks, Car Kits

North Hollywood

George Hook

Jack Parker, Jeff Parker

Champion Model Co.

Decals

North Hollywood

 

 

Cliff Line

Caboose Kit

North Hollywood

 

 

Devore

O & HO Couplers

South Pasadena

 

 

Don Fowler Co.

Semaphore, Crossing Gate, Wig-Wag

Los Angeles

 

 

E. Suydam & Co.

Structures

Pasadena, Duarte

Edward C. Suydam, Douglas R. Suydam

 

Electronic Sales Co.

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

G. L. Electronics

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Los Angeles

 

 

Globe

 

 

 

 

Hi-Ballers Corp.

Link & Pin Couplers, Car Kits

Burbank

 

 

Joseph B. Maier

Live Steam Loco Plans

Pacoima

 

 

Kadee

Couplers

Reseda

Dale Edwards

 

Kurtz-Kraft Models Co.

Signals,Switch Machines, Car Kits, Parts

Long Beach, Tarzana

Albert Kurtz, Jr.

 

KWR, Inc.

Locomotives

Los Angeles

 

 

Lindsay Products, Inc.

Locomotives, Motors, Spiker

Culver City

Robert Lindsay

 

Little Engines

Live Steam Loco & Parts

Lomita

 

 

Mod-Ac Mfg. Co.

Hansom Cab

Los Angeles

 

 

Model Builder's Supply Co.

Hot Metal Car, Water Tank

Duarte

 

 

Model Die Casting

Couplers, Handcars, Paint

Los Angeles

Clarence Mentier

 

Model Engineering Works

O & HO Parts, Kits

Monrovia

Richard Wheeler

 

Model Toy Mfg. Co.

Structures

Burbank

 

 

Modelcraft Printing Services

Doors, Windows

Pasadena

 

 

Models & Miniatures Specialties

Scenery Supplies

San Dimas

 

 

Modelton

Structures, Billboard Posters

Burbank

 

 

Moyes J. Murphy

Power Supplies

Arcadia

 

 

Olson-Spencer

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Pacific Design & Development Co.

Motors

El Segundo

 

 

Pactra Chemical Co.

Paint

Los Angeles

 

 

Revell

Train Sets

Hollywood

Lewis H. Glaser

 

Robico

O & HO Locomotive, Cars

Universal City

 

 

Rollins House Miniatures

Detail Parts

Covina, Cucamonga

 

 

Silver Streak Corp.

Car Kits

Los Angeles

 

 

Standard Wire & Cable

Power Supplies, Motors, Controls

Culver City

 

 

Stewart-Lundahl Co.

Paint (310M)

North Hollywood

 

Ulrich?

Town-Craft Models

O & HO Structures

Hermosa Beach

 

 

Tru-Scale

Track & Roadbed

San Dimas

August A. Kniff

Cliff Meistel

W. H. Olson

Builders Plates

Los Angeles

 

 

Wesley Mfg. Co.

Cannonball Products, Ore Cars

Van Nuys

 

 

Western Narrow Gauge Model Shop

Track Gauge

Inglewood

 

 

Zenith Model Co.

Power Supplies

Los Angeles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clover Custom Decals

Decals

Santa Monica

 

 

Silver Streak (Truce Scale))

Car Kits

San Dimas

 

 

K & O Models

Locomotive, Power Pack

Van Nuys

 

 

G. F. Harbin

Reostat

San Dimas

 

 

Gaylord Products

Power Supplies, Controls

Van Nuys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wright Enterprises/MHP

 

Thousand Oaks

Dick Wright

 

 

 

1950 Champ decals in North Hollywood, 1951 Champion Decal Co. in Fresno, 1959 in San Jose

1950 Kurtz-Kraft in Burlingame, 1953 in Long Beach, 1955 in Oroville

Olson-Spencer probably same as W. H. Olson

1958 Weston Mini-Figure Co. in Healdsburg

1959 Clover Decals in  Santa Rosa

1959 Cal-Scale in Pinedale

 

 


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

Ted Hollow, of Balboa Scale Models, introduced a new line of HO scale plastic kits to the trade in June 1968. A few weeks later, much to the embarrassment of Tom Ayres who put together the packaging and marketing plan for Hollow, the brand name was challenged by another manufacturer and Train-Master was quickly renamed Train-Miniature. 

There is more to the story if you are interested, but it is too long to be posted here.

Richard Bale

 

In a message dated 6/25/2020 12:46:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, rforailroad@... writes:


Wondering if someone has information as to why the two names?
Lester Breuer


Re: Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

golden1014
 

Hi Ted,

No Sir, no apologies necessary.  Ed and I talked it over and the model perfectly represents MP 85450-85949 (as you mentioned), 500 cars, built ca. 6-27, ACF lot 399, 10’-0” IH, 11’ door openings, wood doors, no end doors.

The prototype I'm modeling is actually the third series, which was the only series delivered with Youngstown doors and no end doors.  That's MP 86000-86149, 150 cars built MVC (job no. unknown), 10’-2” IH, 12’-0" door openings, Youngstown doors, Ajax power hand brakes, and of course no end doors.

The decal set is fab and I appreciate the consideration of adding two different size medallions.  Just a little cut and paste is all that's needed.  

Thanks again for offering all that great stuff for us.

John Golden
Germany


Re: GeoRR rebuild's roof

golden1014
 

Clark,

Hey old man, Georgia cars came in two flavors--those with flat, riveted roofs and those with radial roofs.  I thought I sent you photos of the flat roofs already, but say the word and I'll send them again.  That would be easy to model with the Tichy car.

Speedwitch has the decals for both cars---and like Frosted Flakes---They're Great.

John Golden


Re: Help Needed for MoPac Box Car Model

golden1014
 

Hi Garth, Fenton and Steve,

Thanks for the help and photos.  Your info helped me out a lot.

My message didn't show up on the list for about five days, so thinking it was lost I went to Ed Hawkins.  Ed and I talked it over and determined that MP 86000-86149, 150 cars built MVC, 10’-2” IH, 12’-0" door openings, Youngstown doors, Ajax power hand brakes (no end doors!) matches the model perfectly.  Ed was able to provide a photo.  I'll have to change the trucks and retainer pipe but I can do those things without much trouble.  Unfortunately the photo can't be released, but I'm sure we'll be able to dig up a few more views elsewhere.

I'm a fan of single-sheathed box cars and having a big, 50-foot car for the layout scratches that itch.

John Golden 
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany


Article & Photos: Carnegie Freight Cars

David
 

Here's a look at the first Schoen-designed car for PB&LE:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=Cs81AQAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA584

And the various trucks under that initial order:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=2s9LAAAAYAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA472

David Thompson


Re: Covered Hoppers

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Eric,
Sorry. Yes that's correct, RCW. They sit next to each other at Lisle. Excellent product. I have to grow up and get some for the IM cars I have yet to buy. I still like the Bowsers until I turn the end supports into Swiss Cheese.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, June 29, 2020, 04:22:53 PM CDT, Michael Gross <actormichaelgross@...> wrote:


Dear Rob,

You reference the Resin Car Works covered hopper roof hardware, but I can't find such an item.  Are you confusing it with the Yarmouth model works kit  #YMW-103?

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: SP 94635 G50-15 GS Gondola Model

O Fenton Wells
 

Great looking builds..... as usual, Thanks for sharing Bil. Very nice
Fenton

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 6:07 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I started building SP 94635 G50-15 GS Gondola three maybe four years ago. I was interested in building one of the Detail Associated GS gon kits as it looked like an interesting kit but I wanted to use the flat plate ends for variety. As it turned out there was only one group I could model using the DA kit as the base, the SP's G50-15 class built in 1942 by Bethlehem Steel. This required several additions or changes of small details to do this class:

1.) scratch built Buffer Plates
2.) creating what I think are Jacking Pads at the bottom of the first and seventh side posts
3.) changing the shape of the tabs where the Sill Steps are attached
4.) creating accurate Sill Steps to mount on the Tabs
5.) creating the rectangular opening on the Tabs
6.) removing the styrene for mounting the ladders and installing separate grab irons and mounting bolts where ladders would have been
7.) used sheet brass to make the Too Corner gussets where the ends and sides meet.

I used the flat plate drop doors with small rectangles of lead glued to them on the underside . Lead is also between the twin center sill members giving the car about 2 ounces of weight.. I used Badger's Modelflex "Ovide Red" with Speedwitch decals that cover all of the SP's GS gon types. The car required repair at the TN&O's Shreveport, LA cars shops in 1953, requiring it to be reweighed there. Perhaps this occurred during its journey eastward carrying something for a customer in Tennessee.

Bill Welch



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SP 94635 G50-15 GS Gondola Model

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I started building SP 94635 G50-15 GS Gondola three maybe four years ago. I was interested in building one of the Detail Associated GS gon kits as it looked like an interesting kit but I wanted to use the flat plate ends for variety. As it turned out there was only one group I could model using the DA kit as the base, the SP's G50-15 class built in 1942 by Bethlehem Steel. This required several additions or changes of small details to do this class:

1.) scratch built Buffer Plates
2.) creating what I think are Jacking Pads at the bottom of the first and seventh side posts
3.) changing the shape of the tabs where the Sill Steps are attached
4.) creating accurate Sill Steps to mount on the Tabs
5.) creating the rectangular opening on the Tabs
6.) removing the styrene for mounting the ladders and installing separate grab irons and mounting bolts where ladders would have been
7.) used sheet brass to make the Top Corner gussets where the ends and sides meet.

I used the flat plate drop doors with small rectangles of lead glued to them on the underside. Lead is also between the twin center sill members giving the car about 2 ounces of weight.. I used Badger's Modelflex "Oxide Red" with Speedwitch decals that cover all of the SP's GS gon types. The car required repair at the TN&O's Shreveport, LA cars shops in 1953, requiring it to be reweighed there. Perhaps this occurred during its journey eastward carrying something for a customer in Tennessee.

Bill Welch


Article & Photos: Carnegie Freight Cars

David
 

Ahh, there's a find. The hoppers are the two Carnegie prototypes for the early PB&LE fleet built by (Schoen) Pressed Steel Car. The flats and coke car are otherwise fairly obscure, so it's nice to have some details and photos.

David Thompson


Re: Covered Hoppers

Michael Gross
 

Dear Rob,

You reference the Resin Car Works covered hopper roof hardware, but I can't find such an item.  Are you confusing it with the Yarmouth model works kit  #YMW-103?

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Covered Hoppers

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Thanks for the kind words to those that replied.  I have added a couple more photos just for fun.

Rob,

The car SHPX 25581 says "LEASED TO CB&Q" and is shown in RP Cyc 27 as having the standard ACF type 1 roof.  I added a photo of CB&Q 180863 showing a model built to Q practice with the type 3 roof supplied by Yarmouth Model Works kit 103 and decals by Jerry Hamsmith.  By 1954 non of these cars appeared to have any return to lettering although that may have been added soon after.  I have BB#20 and find it invaluable in addition to RP Cyc 30 for the Q cars.  The great controversy with the Q cars is the paint job and I have only seen the one color picture in RP Cyc 30 showing what appears to be the factory black roof and underbody as stated in the text.

Eric Mumper


Re: A 1933 view of some boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

A 1933 view of some boxcars including what is probably a PRR class X29...
 

    Note that the photo shows revenue agents confiscating contraband liquor -- the date less than a year before Prohibition would be repealed.

Tony Thompson