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Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Smith asked:
"Is there even a ‘History of the American Model Railroad Industry’ web site?"

White River Productions'' HO Collector Magazine website here:


Ben Hom



Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

erieblt2
 

I really appreciate this string. It’s not exactly what we ‘should’ talk about, but it’s fascinating history. It will be lost if not put out before it’s lost. I appreciate your patience. Is there even a ‘History of the American Model Railroad Industry’ web site? Bill S


On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Richard Bale wrote:

Globe was originated by Hal Prendergast and purchased by Athearn

       This conflicts with what was in Model Railroader in the late 1940s. It stated that Globe was founded in 1942 by Frank Taylor, who had been editor of MR, joined by well-known O scale modeler and scratch builder Carl Traub. The company began in Milwaukee, located at 4224 Lincoln, before moving to Chicago about 1950. Athearn bought them in July 1951.
        I know of no connection with Hal Prendergast, unless he facilitated the Athearn purchase.

Tony Thompson




correcting my mistake D&LW 55161 riveted 12-panel box car

Andy Carlson
 


Boy, this is embarrassing! I quickly responded to the D&LW car question and made my reply directed instead at the EJ&E car (which is a 10'0" car) by error.

The Lackawanna car is certainly a 10'6" car. Sorry for the error.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
_._,_._,_


Re: D&LW 55161 riveted 12-panel box car

Brian Carlson
 

Yes.  You need to sit in on my clinic. :)

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 30, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:


Andy,
     Is this DL&W box a 10' 6" IH car? Sure looks it.
       Bud Rindfleisch


D&LW 55161 riveted 12-panel box car

Andy Carlson
 

No, actually this is a 10'0" IH car. which is why Steve Hoxie's model has to cover the door opening discrepancies with the door partially ajar. The Intermountain 12-panel is a 6' wide door design.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 12:01:38 PM PDT, Bud Rindfleisch <blackdiamondrr@...> wrote:


Andy,
     Is this DL&W box a 10' 6" IH car? Sure looks it.
       Bud Rindfleisch


Re: D&LW 55161 riveted 12-panel box car

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Andy,
     Is this DL&W box a 10' 6" IH car? Sure looks it.
       Bud Rindfleisch


Re: My correction to the latest IMRC PFE Reefers

Gary Roe
 

Agreed!

Not only saved; but printed out to store with the cars until such time as it is needed.

Thanks Steve!

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:11:52 AM CDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Thanks, Steve, for providing this great service to your fellow modelers.  Saved for future use!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:07 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] My correction to the latest IMRC PFE Reefers

 

I was excited to get one of the PFE R-30-18 models this spring, but the excitement was tempered when many noted the strange way the brake components were assembled.  After some discussions with Dick Harley and others, I documented my changes in a short presentation that is attached.

 

Be sure to check out Dick’s updated web pages on PFE reefers.  He has added a lot to his site at he pondered these cars.

 

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFETrainPhotos/PFE-Wood-Ice-Reefers/Bettendorf-vs-Built-Up/

 

Steve Hile


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Bale wrote:

Globe was originated by Hal Prendergast and purchased by Athearn

       This conflicts with what was in Model Railroader in the late 1940s. It stated that Globe was founded in 1942 by Frank Taylor, who had been editor of MR, joined by well-known O scale modeler and scratch builder Carl Traub. The company began in Milwaukee, located at 4224 Lincoln, before moving to Chicago about 1950. Athearn bought them in July 1951.
        I know of no connection with Hal Prendergast, unless he facilitated the Athearn purchase.

Tony Thompson




Re: My correction to the latest IMRC PFE Reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Steve, for providing this great service to your fellow modelers.  Saved for future use!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:07 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] My correction to the latest IMRC PFE Reefers

 

I was excited to get one of the PFE R-30-18 models this spring, but the excitement was tempered when many noted the strange way the brake components were assembled.  After some discussions with Dick Harley and others, I documented my changes in a short presentation that is attached.

 

Be sure to check out Dick’s updated web pages on PFE reefers.  He has added a lot to his site at he pondered these cars.

 

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFETrainPhotos/PFE-Wood-Ice-Reefers/Bettendorf-vs-Built-Up/

 

Steve Hile


Re: Picture help?

Ray Hutchison
 

 another photo of the Columbus Hocking Valley and Toledo... 

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:27 AM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Hi Doug,

 

From Eric Neubauer’s early Pullman builder’s document, I see that OWC&I 2000-2199 were built by Pullman under lot C1466 in 1887, probably 33 feet long.

 

It also appears that the Ohio and Western Coal and Iron was one of those Gilded Age companies that lived and died fairly quickly based on financial shenanigans.  I see mention of the Columbus Hocking Valley and Toledo in some of the articles and they may have been the inheritors of OWC&I 2000-2199.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Picture help?

 

This morning I was asked if I had a photo or any information on the gon to the right in this photo. It appears to be lettered for the Ohio & Western Coal & Iron Co. Which was a company registered in New York state, and which failed in 1899 after some lawsuits.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 


Re: Tangent Tank Car Paint Removal

Mont Switzer
 

Allen,

 

I learned the hard way just last evening that lacquer thinner will remove the Tangent lettering almost immediately with little effect on the bae paint color.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tangent Tank Car Paint Removal

 

First off, if this is the wrong list for this please let me know and any suggestions for another list woU\Uld be appreciated.

 

I am seeking advice on the removal of the paint/ink that Tangent Scale Models applies to their GATX 1948+ tank cars and their Cosden 3 Dome tank cars.

 

Bought some ICG Decals and plan to strip and renumber them.

 

Thanks,

 

Allen Cain


My correction to the latest IMRC PFE Reefers

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I was excited to get one of the PFE R-30-18 models this spring, but the excitement was tempered when many noted the strange way the brake components were assembled.  After some discussions with Dick Harley and others, I documented my changes in a short presentation that is attached.

 

Be sure to check out Dick’s updated web pages on PFE reefers.  He has added a lot to his site at he pondered these cars.

 

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFETrainPhotos/PFE-Wood-Ice-Reefers/Bettendorf-vs-Built-Up/

 

Steve Hile


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,

 

I have several very old packs of Champ Decals  that were:

“Mfd. By Champion Model Co. Cleveland 2, Ohio”

Here’s where it was founded.

 

Best regards,

David Lawler

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Article & Photos: Carnegie Freight Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

These are fascinating cars, different from many other roads', in that they were built to meet specific customer needs, in this case being loading of cold-rolled steel coils. Thus, the 8' door for fork lifts using a large prong to maneuver the coil thru the doorway and into place at the car ends/over the trucks.

This extreme loading process for a box car is what led EJ&E, B&LE, PRR and other steel-loading roads, to reinforce the somewhat weak center of the car, sometimes in retrospect, by application of a bolster-to-bolster channel side sill reinforcement. B&LE, for example, rebuilt their XM-5 version of the '37 AAR car, with a reinforced side sill, almost bolster-to-bolster. Later cars, recognized by the owner as inadequate, also got heavy side sill reinforcements, as attached.

PRR-ordered '44 AAR cars were furnished with 7' and 8' doors, for use in services like this, were also determined to be weak when loaded like that, so were reinforced in a big rebuilding campaign, in similar manner.

I hope that adds to understanding of these cars.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 6:55 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Article & Photos: Carnegie Freight Cars

Here's a look at the first Schoen-designed car for PB&LE:
Blockedhttps://play.google.com/books/reader?id=Cs81AQAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA584

And the various trucks under that initial order:
Blockedhttps://play.google.com/books/reader?id=2s9LAAAAYAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA472

David Thompson


Re: EJ&E 61026 12-panel riveted 40' box car

Rick Jesionowski
 

Decals for the EJ&E Car are now available from Mask Island Decals.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: Railroad-Owned Poultry Cars

James Brewer
 

I did a search on the N&WHS archives (nwhs.org).  N&W had Class SC poultry cars but there are no photos or general arrangement drawings in the data base.  

Jim Brewer


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] EJ&E 61026 12-panel riveted 40' box car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Beautiful car, Steve!  Great work!

 

Whose decals did you use? 

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 12:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] EJ&E 61026 12-panel riveted 40' box car

 

Since you brought it up. 61216 after repaint to green with the map scheme. Photos seem to indicate the lower side sill extension was applied when built; note that 61206 above has NEW for reweigh. Open door? Yes, I cheated. The open door hides the lack of body work to make the door opening on the Intermountain shell actually 8 ft. Jerry Glow decals, but I don't see them on Tichy now.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Picture help?

Douglas Harding
 

Thanks Steve. You offer more information than I had.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 12:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Picture help?

 

Hi Doug,

 

From Eric Neubauer’s early Pullman builder’s document, I see that OWC&I 2000-2199 were built by Pullman under lot C1466 in 1887, probably 33 feet long.

 

It also appears that the Ohio and Western Coal and Iron was one of those Gilded Age companies that lived and died fairly quickly based on financial shenanigans.  I see mention of the Columbus Hocking Valley and Toledo in some of the articles and they may have been the inheritors of OWC&I 2000-2199.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Picture help?

 

This morning I was asked if I had a photo or any information on the gon to the right in this photo. It appears to be lettered for the Ohio & Western Coal & Iron Co. Which was a company registered in New York state, and which failed in 1899 after some lawsuits.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 


Re: Train-Master vs. Train-Miniature

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Balewrote:

Globe was originated by Hal Prendergast and purchased by Athearn

       This conflicts with what was in Model Railroader in the late 1940s. It stated that Globe was founded in 1942 by Frank Taylor, who had been editor of MR, joined by well-known O scale modeler and scratch builder Carl Traub. The company began in Milwaukee, located at 4224 Lincoln, before moving to Chicago about 1950. Athearn bought them in July 1951.
        I know of no connection with Hal Prendergast, unless he facilitated the Athearn purchase.

Tony Thompson




Re: Picture help?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Doug,

 

From Eric Neubauer’s early Pullman builder’s document, I see that OWC&I 2000-2199 were built by Pullman under lot C1466 in 1887, probably 33 feet long.

 

It also appears that the Ohio and Western Coal and Iron was one of those Gilded Age companies that lived and died fairly quickly based on financial shenanigans.  I see mention of the Columbus Hocking Valley and Toledo in some of the articles and they may have been the inheritors of OWC&I 2000-2199.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Picture help?

 

This morning I was asked if I had a photo or any information on the gon to the right in this photo. It appears to be lettered for the Ohio & Western Coal & Iron Co. Which was a company registered in New York state, and which failed in 1899 after some lawsuits.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

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