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t section bettenforf truck plans

mel perry
 

does anyone know the source of the
t-section bettndorf truck drawings?
thanks
mel perry


Re: Photo: Repainted CB&Q Boxcar 11988

passcars
 

Believe the auxiliary door has been permanently closed as bottom door track brackets have been removed, the main door still functions normally, hence the Single door stencil.

Steve Peery


Jerry Hamsmith kits

nyc3001 .
 

Hi guys,

Are Jerry's GS gon and FM-11 flat kits still available? Research seems to indicate that I might be able to use one of each.

-Phil


Re: Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314

passcars
 

He's pretty talented, can steer that thing without even looking at where he's going.

Steve Peery


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

Eric Shatford
 

Ron,

          The Consolidated Chemical plant in the photos was indeed taken on the FWD at a location called Hodge within the Fort Worth switching limits.  Ownership passed to  Stauffer Chemical, however I am not sure when the change occurred; it was Stauffer when I started with the Denver in 1973.  Rhone-Polenec took over from Stauffer, eventually closing the plant.  Today, nothing is left on the site. Everything was dismantled or demolished. 

They shipped out mostly sulfuric acid.  CCIX 342 is marked “Sulfuric Acid” above the tank test dates and is spotted at the sulfuric spots in the plant.  While the acid went to various destinations, there was always one or two cars of sulfuric for Springhill, Louisiana to the paper mill there routed FWD-Dallas-L&A.  Raw material inbound was potash coming to the plant off the ATSF.  It came out of New Mexico somewhere.  In the pictures, the shed over the track in the distance is where the potash unloaded.

Respectfully, 

Eric Shatford

Fort Worth, Texas

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

 

These are interesting photos.  This car has 70-ton trucks, with an 8000 gallon capacity tank, so this must be a heavy acid like sulfuric.

My brief search for this company has hit a dead end, because all I turn up for Consolidated Chemical Industries is a newer chemical marketing company in Houston.  The photo caption mentions Ft. Worth and the CB&Q, which probably means FW&D in the context.  My best guess is that this is a company that was absorbed long ago into a larger chemical manufacturer.  But this would be a useful car to model.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Rupert Gamlen
 

Dave

I’ve checked the newspapers (through the National Library’s newspaper collection) for the 20’s and 30’s and found that there was a company called Nash Motors NZ Ltd. having the sole agency for Nash but no trace of “Bennett & Woods”. So, I don’t know whose crates were on the flat car.

Looking at Kelvinator, there were plenty of dealers but no mention of an importer or wholesaler.

Never mind, keep safe and just stay out of Victoria!

Regards

Rupert

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David North
Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2020 3:12 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

This might be a red herring, but Bennett & Woods were the Australian distributor for Kelvinator in the early part of the 20th Century.

They were a leading company in the motor trade here in Australia, but more spare parts than new cars.

Wasn’t Kelvinator part of the Nash brand?

Coincidently, B&W were the Australian distributor for Harley Davison from 1915 and BSA motorbikes.

(Nothing to do with Nash, just something I found while researching around this photo)

 

I must admit, I thought the boxes looked a little small for cars.

 

Rupert, do you know who the NZ distributors were for Kelvinator before Fisher & Paykell took the line on the late 30s?

I wonder if Bennett & Woods had an NZ Division?

 

Again, I may be way off on this.

Cheers

Dave North

Sydney

Australia


A Day Late & a Dollar Short on Prototype Modeler Plan Service

John Barry
 



Gents,

Going through the last few boxes of miscellaneous stuff I bought from the estate of Robert John Daystrup, I found mimeographed catalog of kits and plans offered by Prototype Modeller, Inc.  I was particularly interested in items #50, ATSF Sand Tower, Richmond, CA 1944 17"x22", $1.25; and #59, ATSF Pinole, CA Passenger & Freight Depot, 1944, 12"x24", $0.50.

Do any of you have either of those or know what happened to the PM plan collection that Bob Longo was touting in this flier?

Both of those structures are very applicable to my era and location and were used by steam era freight cars.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

Dave Nelson
 

David, what's the spotting feature you noticed?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
Not GATC, but an example of the uncommon AC&F Type 26 (the car to the
right may be another one).

David Thompson

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Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Richard Townsend
 

Woodland Scenics has some nice models. Rio Grande Models has a bunch of terrific construction equipment models, but I suspect they are too old for your time period, plus their website has a big CLOSED on the home page.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Nice photo. Good find! 

One of the loads into Burlington on my Gridley Branch could be some type of construction or road grading equipment. Considering the time period of 1952-53 a grader would be a good selection for surfacing all of those gravel county roads in east central Kansas. 

The question to the group is … does someone have recommendations for post-war to mid-‘50s construction equipment models?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
It's my understanding, based on comments by a professional railroader who was a load inspector, that the blades of earth moving equipment normally were blocked, separating the blade from the car deck. Apparently not so in this photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314

Brian Termunde
 

Nice photos Bob! As always, Thanks a lot for sharing.

Regarding that man, it seems like he's keeping the car on track pretty well so far!   ; )

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314
From: Bob Chaparro
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:39:10 PDT
Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
I hope the man of the car knows how to steer it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

In HO scale …

Artitech has an excellent Cat D7 dozer in several variations, and nice little gasoline crawler crane.
GHQ has a fine Cat D8 in a couple versions
Norscott has a Cat-12 road grader
Stewart has a Euclid scraper, rather crude, but workable, and just reissued
Don Mills has a Euclid bottom-dump
Many of the old ROCO Mini-Movers are useable, though the scrapers are oversized for HO
The Woodland Scenics dozer is like a Cat D8 but way undersized … with a little work it makes an acceptable HO D6
Classic Construction Models has/had several HO crawlers and dozers … but they are EXPENSIVE
First Gear has a decent IH TD-25 crawler/dozer. Unfortunately it’s a bit too modern for your specs (1959), and the working metal tracks are a bit crude. Still, not bad overall and similar to the earlier TD-24.

There may be a few others, but most are either out of scale or very crude … some near unrecognizable. There are some nice models of more modern machines, but that’s not what you requested.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...> wrote:

Nice photo. Good find! 

One of the loads into Burlington on my Gridley Branch could be some type of construction or road grading equipment. Considering the time period of 1952-53 a grader would be a good selection for surfacing all of those gravel county roads in east central Kansas. 

The question to the group is … does someone have recommendations for post-war to mid-‘50s construction equipment models?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
It's my understanding, based on comments by a professional railroader who was a load inspector, that the blades of earth moving equipment normally were blocked, separating the blade from the car deck. Apparently not so in this photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

David
 

From what I can tell, the Type 25 had a trapezoidal end sill casting somewhat reminiscent of the old Type 11/17 end sill shape. The Type 26 went without any end sill at all.

David Thompson


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

Tony Thompson
 

Yes, I think so. Frank would know.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

Are those the acid tanks Resin Car Works made?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

Eric Hansmann
 

Not quite. Here are the acid tank cars from the first RCW release. Scroll down for the CCIX tanks.

http://resincarworks.com/kits/1-01_acid_tank_car_kits.htm

 

 

From the CCIX tank car section:

These prototypes were built in 1937 and 1938. Decals included data for the following car numbers.
   CCIX 172, 174 (Built 12-37), 162 - 163 (8-38), 450 - 453 (9-37), 410 - 411 (2-40)

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of al_brown03
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

 

Are those the acid tanks Resin Car Works made?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions

Dave Nelson
 

Tangental point of interest about the facts below:  In the steam ear Southern Pacific had a small yard at Port Costa, a few miles west of Martinez, that was used for the “retail” aspect of railroading, getting cars to and from local industries.  Union Oil was at Oleum, a few miles west of Port Costa, Shell, Tidewater, and Monsanto were a few miles to the east.  For all three of those SP used the same siding located between Avon and Martinez (they were only a mile or two apart, if that).  All of this distance was along the Sacramento River, rip rap on one side, open space hills on the other with just a narrow shelf for the railroad.  This is on the major E/W path for the SP out of Oakland.

 

The fact I find most interesting about this is the yard limits for Port Costa.  The west end was at Oleum; the east end at Suisun/Fairfield, about 20 miles east of Port Costa.  Suisun/Fairfield was where a whole lot of Lumber from the NWP passed thru; It had a small yard and a wye.

 

I have always thought a layout based on the above would be pretty interesting.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions

 

Oops "switched" in my list of Carquinez south shore refineries to be switched by local power from Port Costa in the early 1950's.

The correct locations for the period are:
Shell at Martinez - predominantly  GATX?
Tidewater/Associated at Avon - predominantly UTLX
Union Oil/Phillips 66 at Rodeo - predominantly  ?
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


My notes say ACF Type 25, but it's close enough I guess. :-)


On 6/29/2020 9:18 PM, David via groups.io wrote:
Not GATC, but an example of the uncommon AC&F Type 26 (the car to the right may be another one).

David Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

al_brown03
 

Are those the acid tanks Resin Car Works made?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

mopacfirst
 

These are interesting photos.  This car has 70-ton trucks, with an 8000 gallon capacity tank, so this must be a heavy acid like sulfuric.

My brief search for this company has hit a dead end, because all I turn up for Consolidated Chemical Industries is a newer chemical marketing company in Houston.  The photo caption mentions Ft. Worth and the CB&Q, which probably means FW&D in the context.  My best guess is that this is a company that was absorbed long ago into a larger chemical manufacturer.  But this would be a useful car to model.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: CB&Q Composite Hopper 194284

Bruce Smith
 

This car seems to have missed it's schedule reweigh by a substantial period of time (stenciled NEW 4-44).

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CB&Q Composite Hopper 194284
 

Photo: CB&Q Composite Hopper 194284

A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/764/rec/405

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: CN on the CV in less than warmer times

Marty McGuirk
 

It’s definitely White River Junction, Vermont. 
It’s the CV’s freight yard alongside the White River north of the station. 
Marty 

On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nice! May be St Johnsbury or perhaps White River Jct.



On 6/30/2020 6:58 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Maybe on the central Vermont with lots of CN stuff.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts