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Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

A 1945 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc262590/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

With more of these the Missouri Pacific could have held off the Union Pacific for several more years.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Jack Wyatt asked:
"I wonder what the body color was for the original Atlantic Coast Dispatch vent's?"

Yellow, with red herald.


Ben Hom


Re: Hindsight 2020 RPM Appreciation

Jim Hayes
 

Me too Tom. I just turned 80, I'm in delicate health and don't leave home.
Hindsight 2020 was perfect for me too, except for interruptions at home. 
Wish I could have put it on hold at certain times.

Jim Hayes

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:25 AM Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:

Well said, Tom.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Tom Madden via groups.io [pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io]
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 2020 RPM Appreciation

As an octogenarian living alone I can't afford to put myself in any situation that carries the risk of hospitalization. Until there's a vaccine or effective outpatient treatment for the virus I won't be doing any commercial traveling or participating in group activities. The Hindsight 2020 RPM was tailor made for those like me and I hope these virtual meetings continue. There were two interrelated aspects that I really, really liked - no rows of heads obscuring portions of the screen, and the images on the screen were right here on my high definition computer monitor and not 30 feet away. As a single-track event I got to see several presentations I would not have chosen to attend at a multi-track live meet, and learned some new things as a result. Yes, I missed seeing old friends, walking on the beach and having the opportunity to write a large check to Bob Liljestrand at the end of the day, but a virtual meet is a very desirable alternative to a live meet. And as Ken says, it makes presentations available to those who can't come to live meets.

Tom Madden


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

C J Wyatt
 

I wonder what the body color was for the original Atlantic Coast Dispatch vent's?

I should know, but it hasn't stuck in my mind. Appreciate it!

Jack Wyatt


Re: Hindsight 2020 RPM Appreciation

Mont Switzer
 

Well said, Tom.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Tom Madden via groups.io [pullmanboss@...]
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 2020 RPM Appreciation

As an octogenarian living alone I can't afford to put myself in any situation that carries the risk of hospitalization. Until there's a vaccine or effective outpatient treatment for the virus I won't be doing any commercial traveling or participating in group activities. The Hindsight 2020 RPM was tailor made for those like me and I hope these virtual meetings continue. There were two interrelated aspects that I really, really liked - no rows of heads obscuring portions of the screen, and the images on the screen were right here on my high definition computer monitor and not 30 feet away. As a single-track event I got to see several presentations I would not have chosen to attend at a multi-track live meet, and learned some new things as a result. Yes, I missed seeing old friends, walking on the beach and having the opportunity to write a large check to Bob Liljestrand at the end of the day, but a virtual meet is a very desirable alternative to a live meet. And as Ken says, it makes presentations available to those who can't come to live meets.

Tom Madden


Re: Trucks?

Dennis Storzek
 

Not Vulcan, rather some sort of Andrews patent truck. Vulcan trucks had the end of the sideframe encircle the journal box, which fit in the resulting slot, and retained by a horizontal bolt through a lug on the sideframe directly behind the journal lid hinge. I'm not seeing this lug, nor does the sideframe extend far enough to encircle the outer side of the journal box. Meanwhile, although the poor quality of the photo makes it hard to see, I think I'm seeing vertical bolts alongside the journal boxes. Those are the spotting feature of the Andrews design. Andrews trucks don't have to have the horizontal strap to the bottom of the journal; some had the strap drop at a 45 deg. angle from a bracket cast on the sideframe, as here.

Dennis Storzek


Poultry Car Gallery

Andy Laurent
 


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"IIRC, the X30 was PRR's first end door car."

Class X25A had end doors.
Ben Hom


Re: Trucks?

Bill Welch
 

In the product description the Trucks are ID'ed as 55-ton Vulcan.

Bill Welch


Re: Trucks?

Todd Sullivan
 

Hmmm, on a sudden hunch, I checked my Cory Bonsall model of a Utah Coal Route GS gondola, and it has similar looking trucks under it.  I don't know enough about D&RGW freight cars to know if they had composite GS gondolas or not.  Cory's models show the similar truck under both the Utah Coal Route and D&RGW 40' and 42' GS gondolas - see
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-3D-Printed-D-RGW-Offset-GS-Gondola-42ft-45k-Series-Single-Kit/232442939371?hash=item361eadc7eb:g:JJoAAOSw~y9ZCP49

Todd Sullivan


Re: Trucks?

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Clark,

It looks like a hybrid design between an Andrews (separate journal box castings) and a full cast steel sideframe truck.  I have no idea who might have made it, but I think I have seen one or two similar designs in other freight car photos.  The top part of the sideframe is pretty thick over the journals, reminiscent of the Andrews designs.

Todd Sullivan


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

espee4441
 

Tony,

I'll be the first to comment on that Seaboard car to confirm your accurate suspicion. I was pleasantly surprised to see it and simultaneously astounded because 28 years later I was walking those same spots in Roseburg as a teen. Would come down from nearby Glide for the weekend and railfan. Heck, maybe that same fire truck was still around but most likely in a local field or smaller community as back up since they have second lives in one such capacity or another. 

That Seaboard car gives me an excuse to get one if it's available. I have about 15 of the P2K 50 footers so far that work for this era. Anything remotely close in HO for SAL? I can't get the link to work now to see if it's a 40 or 50 in length. Bowser and Accurail have 40 feet versions and Branchline does a PS1 in 50 but that's not it in the photo.

Tony Pawley


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Lee
 

thats not an american la france engine, at least not a full out version. ALF made bodies on commercial chassis which this looks to be. Possibly a Chevy or Ford? 


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

akerboomk
 

RE: How unloaded?

 

Having just read thru the Magor Car Corp book by Ed Kaminski [so now I must be an expert, never having seen a sugar cane car before)  ;-)] – looks like side dump to me?

 

Ken

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: NP steel boxcar

Douglas Harding
 

Looks more like they are unloading the car. The car is sitting next to lumber sheds, and the load appears to be bags which are to big to be cement or plaster. Nor does the bag sag in the middle, indicating it is lot heavy. It could be bags of vermiculite, used in insulation, which would be shipped in a NP boxcar as the main mine was in Montana. A lumber yard in Florida would be receiving bags of vermiculite, not shipping it out. The forklift does not have pallet, but rather it appears the employees simply laid some planks on the forks to make a platform for holding the sacks. Once the fork is loaded, they will drive it to the storage building and unload the sacks into the building, out of any weather. All done by hand.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:42 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NP steel boxcar

 

Hi List Members,

 

NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


NP steel boxcar

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Todd Sullivan
 

Bruce,

I was fairly sure I would get that wrong, as I was being lazy and not looking up the classes.  My apologies ... and my thanks for correcting me and the information!

Todd Sullivan


Trucks?

Clark Propst
 

Can anyone tell me about the trucks under this car?
CW Propst


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Bruce Smith
 

William,

X30 - definitely not. The car was in dedicated service and had a "When Empty Return To.." stencil.
X31/32/33 - it depends, although a back haul was not out of the question.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of erieblt2 <williamfsmith22@...>
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:05 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car
 
Great photo, thanks. I have a print of Seattle’s electric buses ( replacing the trolleys) being unloaded from an east coast end door box car. I’m sure the manufacturer was in the East. I wondered if they would try to find a load of wood to fill the empty on it’s way back East. Anyway, a great picture, thanks again. Bill S


On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
A fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car in 1959
 

    Now I breathlessly await the first list member to respond with, "Gee, what's a Seaboard box car doing in Oregon?" Luckily Ben Hom already answered the part about the Pennsy car.

Tony Thompson




Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Bruce Smith
 

Todd,

You meant X33, not X32, I'm sure ;)  The X32 did not have an end door. None of the X31 subclasses had an end door either. IIRC, the X30 was PRR's first end door car.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 7:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car
 
And most of those fire trucks came from the American LaFrance plant on the east side of Elmira, NY on the PRR's Elmira Branch.  Since the plant was on the Erie RR main line, the manufacturer had to drive the fire trucks over a couple of blocks to a siding on the PRR to load them using a ramp.  Big fire trucks (hook and ladders) needed the X30 auto boxcar because of their length, but smaller trucks such as pumpers could use the PRR's X31 and X32 classes of end door boxcars.  BTW, Elmira was also home to Ward LaFrance, another fire truck manufacturer.  Their plant a bit west of the city center was serviced either by the Erie or the DL&W.

Todd Sullivan

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