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Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Todd Sullivan
 

Well, now, that's a darned sneaky solution to Doug's problem!

Todd Sullivan


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Todd Sullivan
 

Doug,

I rather doubt that fresh lobsters would make it live to the West Coast by rail, based on years of eating them on Cape Ann north of Boston where my grandparents had a summer house, and on average transit times for freight coast to coast.  Specialty paper is more likely.  Champion Paper Mills in Lowell or Lawrence (I forget which) made high grade coated paper for the National Geographic magazine in the 1950s (I toured their mill as a high schooler), so I could conceive of such a load being shipped from MA to the PacNW to a specialty printer.  I'm sure Seattle or Portland had at least one of those. 

I'll try to think of other commodities that might work.  There had to be specialty manufactured items made in cities around Boston, including Lawrence, Lowell,  Worcester, Framingham, Fitchburg and the like that had national distribution.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Doug Paasch wrote:

I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

    Remember that for awhile in the '50's BAR loaned its reefers to PFE from June 1 to October 1. So there you are! California vegetable or oranges, fresh to Seattle!

Tony Thompson




Re: wanting to model accuate watermelon loads

Tim O'Connor
 


I think air hardening green modeling clay is your best bet. You can probably roll a hundred melons
while watching a 1 hour TV show.

On 7/8/2020 5:22 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Two views for those wanting to model accuate watermelon loads for their steam era freight cars...
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Doug Paasch
 

They wouldn't ship spuds or cranberries from Maine to the west coast as Washington and Idaho are spud country, and Washington and Oregon grow cranberries (Ocean Spray).  But B&M beans are THE best and certainly were shipped to the west!

Paper not likely as Washington had gobs of paper mills.  But I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

  Doug Paasch


On Jul 8, 2020 5:05 PM, "Andy Brusgard" <ajb1102@...> wrote:
Potatoes!!! 


Hindsight update

Ted Culotta
 

Meant to send this here, but absentmindedly sent it to the old Yahoo group. Anyway....

As mentioned during Hindsight 20/20, we will be conducting some weeknight clinics, as well as further iterations of Hindsight 20/20. The first weeknight clinic is listed below. Our next Hindsight 20/20 event, "Hindsight 20/20-2.0" will be on August 22. Details will follow in the next couple of weeks, including the lineup of clinicians along with information about how to register. 

Because we are using zoom, we can accommodate almost 500 attendees. However, that comes with some additional costs (~$65 US per month). We are NOT going to request money for any events. However, we will set up a "tip jar" where you can send paypal donations to help defray costs. Any extra funds will be used to provide an honorarium to our speakers (the three of us excepted). We will keep the zoom registration and the "tip jar" with different individuals to remain as above-board and independent as possible.

Lightroom for Model Railroaders, including live demonstrations - Ted Culotta
Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 8:00 PM - 9:30 PM EDT
This discussion will demonstrate how to use LR to manage and catalog photos, drawings, articles, etc.

You may register for the clinic at www.speedwitchmedia.com

Hunter, Ryan, and Ted

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


Re: UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer

Ted Culotta
 

True on the New Haven. There was the 2-10-2 (hauling Steam Era freight cars... did I stay outta jail Mike?) that threw a tire while on the Poughkeepsie Bridge (gantlet tracked so there was no pulling up alongside with a crane) on a bitter, bitter cold night. The tire had to be sweated back on manually on the bridge.

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Andy Brusgard
 

Potatoes!!! 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Drew M.
 

American Viscose's first plant was located in Marcus Hook, PA. There is more info here:

as well as at oldchesterpa.com

Drew Marshall

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Jul 8, 2020, at 17:55, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
There was a large rayon factory (American Viscose Corp.) in Front Royal, Virginia, served by the Norfolk & Western Railway - which was controlled by the Pennsylvania Railroad during our time period.

Ken Montero

On 07/08/2020 4:08 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Rayon was made from cellulose fiber, and I know there were mills in the Pacific NW in NW Washington State served by the Northern Pacific and in W Va served by the Western Maryland, IIRC.  I'd be wondering if the PRR cars were for another mill, perhaps in the Northern Tier of Pa which was heavily forested.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allan Smith
 


Bruce I am trying to contact you with plans, but using the address bruce.metcalf@... doesn't go through. Please contact me off list


Smithal9@...

Thanks

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 01:52:38 PM PDT, Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:


On 7/2/20 6:02 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:

> Can anyone point me to plans or drawings for a carbon black hopper?

There are scale drawings and photos in "Mainline Modeler", May 1993,
beginning on page 5, by Martin Loftin.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Kenneth Montero
 

There was a large rayon factory (American Viscose Corp.) in Front Royal, Virginia, served by the Norfolk & Western Railway - which was controlled by the Pennsylvania Railroad during our time period.

Ken Montero

On 07/08/2020 4:08 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Rayon was made from cellulose fiber, and I know there were mills in the Pacific NW in NW Washington State served by the Northern Pacific and in W Va served by the Western Maryland, IIRC.  I'd be wondering if the PRR cars were for another mill, perhaps in the Northern Tier of Pa which was heavily forested.

Todd Sullivan


wanting to model accuate watermelon loads

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Two views for those wanting to model accuate watermelon loads for their steam era freight cars...
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

On 7/2/20 6:02 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:

Can anyone point me to plans or drawings for a carbon black hopper?
There are scale drawings and photos in "Mainline Modeler", May 1993, beginning on page 5, by Martin Loftin.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Todd Sullivan
 

Rayon was made from cellulose fiber, and I know there were mills in the Pacific NW in NW Washington State served by the Northern Pacific and in W Va served by the Western Maryland, IIRC.  I'd be wondering if the PRR cars were for another mill, perhaps in the Northern Tier of Pa which was heavily forested.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

George Eichelberger
 

Thanks for getting the SRHA/Southern 50’ box car book! There are less than a dozen left out of 250 or so that were printed for us by the Norfolk Southern print shop at cost. They are available in the SRHA “The Grab” Company Store @ www.srha.net

I’ll finish the second 50’ box car book (1962-82) after I can get the completely redone 40’ box car book done and published. Aside from a lot of new data and photos, all the various Southern 40’ box car rebuilds will be included.

Here, from the Southern Railway Historical Assoc. archives is the CUF underframe drawing…the tiff file is 8.6MB vs the jpeg @ 2.2MB, I trust you can see and read all of the dimensional data. The correspondence between P-S and the Southern is worth posting when I locate it. One of the two WP cars was “bashed” by a hopper car loaded with sand multiple times to test the cushion hardware. There was some damage done but I believe the test car was repaired and then sold to WP.

The link to Google Drive is:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fZqiV6MKvum3kWpZFjVAK77c3aTyrwU8/view?usp=sharing

Don’t rely on the Google Drive viewer, download the file and look at it on your PC.

Ike


Re: Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jul 8, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396
A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:
Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.
Couplers included, trucks optional.
Bob Chaparro

Bob,
Thank you for posting this photo. For those interested, following is some history. 

MP 45396 originated as one of 250 (MP 79200-79499) 40-ton XA single-sheathed auto cars built ca. 5-29 by Mount Vernon Car Mfg. Co. job number 7243: 40’-6” inside length (listed on MP diagram as 40’-7 1/16”), 10’-2” inside height, 12’-1” side door openings, 3751 cu. ft. capacity, Youngstown Steel Doors with Union Duplex fixtures, Dreadnaught end doors at the “A” end, 3-section Dreadnaught “B” end, Std. Ry. Equipment Mfg. Co. radial roof, ARA spring-plank trucks.

In April-June 1941, 200 of 246 remaining cars were modified in a number of ways at MoPac’s DeSoto, Mo., car shops:
a. Removed the auxiliary doors & reconfigured as single-door cars with 6’ clear door openings.
b. Resheathed the nominal 6’ auxiliary door area & added a new diagonal brace resulting in asymmetrical Howe truss sides.
c. Replaced original vertical-staff hand brakes with Universal XL power hand brakes (if not before).
d. Upgraded with AB brakes (if not before).
e. “A” End doors sealed closed.
f. “A” end lining added, reducing to 40-3” inside length & 3724 cu. ft. capacity. 
g.  Renumbered MP 45251-45450. 

In 1942 an additional 31 cars received the same modifications, followed by 13 more in 1945-1946 to make a total of 244 modified cars in expanded series MP 45251-45494 as of Jan. 1947. However, two cars had been lost thru attrition such that the maximum quantity reported in the ORER was 242 cars. 

The 1/55 ORER reported 235 cars in revenue service. A steady decline of cars in revenue service began in the 2nd half of 1956 & continued thru 1960: 203 reported in 1/57, 114 in 1/58, 70 in 1/59, 28 in 1/60.

Two cars from the original series 79200-79499 remained in service from late 1946 thru 10/55. These final two cars were removed from revenue service between 10/55 & 6/56. 

The MP diagram for 45251-45494 makes no mention of the cars having the “A” end doors sealed closed, nor does ORER reporting. The diagram does denote a difference in the relative sizes of the “A” and “B” end sill channels, being the same as the original auto car diagram.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Todd Sullivan
 

Or a load of canned cranberry sauce, or sardines (from Maine) or B&M Baked Beans (num, num, good!)!

Todd Sullivan


ACL 27103 40ft steel boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
ACL 27103 40ft steel boxcar
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SAL 15709 40ft boxcar, Jacksonville FL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
SAL 15709 40ft boxcar, Jacksonville FL
 
 
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I-GN 14171 auto boxcar, Jacksonville FL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I-GN 14171 auto boxcar, Jacksonville FL
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund