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UTLX 96720

Tim O'Connor
 


So is this UTLX tank car an ACF product? Does it match the Kadee model?

And check the roof on the lumber box car - Evidently a Milwaukee rib side car. :-)


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Wanting to model accurate watermelon loads

Rick Naylor
 

Muscatine Melon: A Case Study of a Place-based Food in Iowa Susan Futrell – One Backyard Consulting, Iowa City, Iowa and Craig Chase – ISU Extension Farm Management, Waterloo, Iowa
core.ac.uk


By 1921, production of melons from Muscatine County totaled 750 carloads of watermelon, produced on around 2000 acres of land; and 100 carloads of muskmelon and cantaloupe, grown on around 500 acres. The 1925 Iowa State Vegetable Growers Association reported that Hal Wolford of Conesville was growing Hales Best and Perfectos: “The biggest benefit over California melons is that they are vine-ripened close to market.” It took approximately 12 days for the melons to reach the East Coast from the West Coast, whereas it took about six to eight days from Iowa (Iowa State Vegetable Growers Association Annual Report, 1925). Truck growers at this point used domestic farm labor for producing and harvesting, and any other labor needed came from the city of Muscatine. Most of the vegetables were marketed in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, New Orleans, and the Twin Cities. Chicago was a 12-hour run by railroad; St. Louis, Kansas City and New Orleans were on direct rail lines, which offered good transportation facilities to the area growers. The Growers Association also reported for the first time in 1925 that Iowa cantaloupes were shipped to New York in carlots.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Don Hand <donlhand@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wanting to model accurate watermelon loads
 
Group - One good reference is the article, Moving Melons by Rail, by David Steer, Railroad Model Craftsman, Jan. 2014. More about the cars is in Ventilated Box Car, by Robert L. Hundman, Mainline Modeler, Apr. 2006.

I live in Hempstead, Texas, which was the watermelon shipping capital of the U.S., prior to 194O.  Although, surviving photos show watermelons being shipped primarily in T&NO stock cars.

Don Hand


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"
 
  I would make the same case here:  it is very unlikely that they wandered down the coast having been loaded in Seattle.  That's much more of a 1945+ scenario.

   Not sure where this comes from. The Car Service Rules as we know them were adopted by AAR in 1934, and were described as codifying principles already largely in operation.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"

 Then why are the same Car Service Rules in the back of ORER issues prior to 1942?

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

tmkprr1954
 

Kenneth Montero wrote
Jul 8  

"There was a large rayon factory (American Viscose Corp.) in Front Royal, Virginia, served by the Norfolk & Western Railway - which was controlled by the Pennsylvania Railroad during our time period."

The January ORER also has 34 N&W boxcars (50500-51999 series) equipped with "Rayon Yarn Beams".

I also found 10 B&O cars (467000-46799 series) equipped "for handling tire cord yarn".

This would echo Bruce's understanding of rayon use in our era.

Still looking for more references in the ORER!

Tom Kane
Modelling the PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcellville, VA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Tim O'Connor
 


Does UTLX 96720 look like an ACF built tank car? Is it the same as the Kadee model?

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 1:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Bob and all;

 

I see two Skelgas and at least three other (one being a UTLX), what look like ICC-105-300’s, almost certainly in compressed gas service.  Is there a production area in the vicinity?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Carbon Black Car?

 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve

I use a plastic cutting mat on my table tops. These come in many sizes and are really handy for all modeling uses.
Here is an example - https://www.connectingthreads.com/omnigrid-mat/p/81690

Tim O'


On 7/9/2020 12:02 AM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Thanks to Tim, Doug, Claus, Lester and John for the good advice.  I was working on a softer pine desk top and tried a variety of burnishing devices, with fairly poor results.  I moved to a much harder desktop surface and tried the butt end of a wooden paint brush and my finger nail with decent results, taping down one side to allow me to see what was attaching to the paper and what was not.

 

A few more sets are on order, along with some other burnishing tools and the MS liquid decal film.  I tried Future on an early test, with middling results.  The challenge is doing a multi-color decal in layers of transfers.

 

Thanks again!

Steve Hile


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave, it does not require "free running".

It could have been loaded by ANY railroad in the AAR region (or regions) served by the BAR and
sent to the AAR region that included Florida or to any adjacent region. From there it could end up going
back -towards- a BAR region or to any region ADJACENT to a BAR region, or... not. It could be
reloaded there, and sent anywhere at all. As long as the per diem was paid, the BAR had no grounds to
complain.

People who think freight cars (esp box cars) moved like ping-pong balls back and forth are MISTAKEN.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/9/2020 2:01 AM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:26 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.
One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"
 
The photo that started this thread is of a B&M series 12100-12299 auto (not box) car built in 1910.  Although the photo quality is poor, it doesn't look like it dates to much more than a decade later.  In that context, I think the chances that it ended up in Florida as some sort of random routing event are zilch. 

I have not seen any Seattle photos, but the obvious examples of B&M cars in LA are in Speedwitch FOFC, vols 2 and 9.  Two cars total, both in 1936-37.  I would make the same case here:  it is very unlikely that they wandered down the coast having been loaded in Seattle.  That's much more of a 1945+ scenario.

Last, the important New England commodity that hasn't yet been mentioned is shoes, at least prior to WWII.  Hides came east, shoes went west.  IIRC, Woburn (MA) was the biggest center, which is why it's a SuperFund site today (chromium-6 problems).

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Dave Parker

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Bruce Smith
 

There was an American Viscose Rayon plant in Lewistown, PA, served directly by the PRR, that operated from 1921 until 1974. In the 1950's the captive service rayon cars for this plant consisted of 18 PRR X37B boxcars. It is my understanding that the rayon from this plant was primarily used in tire manufacturing.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Allen,
     Thanks very much for the scan of the MM article and these pics from RMJ, am forwarding to my friend in Ohio doing the scratchbuild. 
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Did you guys get any of this?

 

Just wondering on how irrelevant my responses may be….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Group;  To add:

 

Here is an example of the PRR’s “silk” car fleet.  Not lost on me is the car number, right next to a rayon car number of 1964. 

 

Note the interior dedicated racking equipment.  The obvious overhead rail is how the racks were slid into the channel for following movement in-car. I am not sure how and if these were modified for rayon shipment.

 

This is one of the cars recommended to Tangent for inclusion in their offering:  early X31A with transverse reservoir and early end arrangement.

 

During WW2, the silk cars would be moving to parachute manufacturers for the war effort.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Tom;

 

I am the one who provided that research, but have been unable to verify who generated the loads, or a photo that shows stenciling for routing.

 

I suspect these may be re-purposed “silk” cars, but have not put in the time to examine various ORERs for car numbers.

 

For 1964:

 

64529, 64649, 64710, 64872, 64977, 65130, 65139, 65307, 65314, 65317, 65332, 65386;

66549; 67025, 67048;

67361, 67394;

69307, 81148, 81189

X37b

 

 

 

X37a, X37b,

 

X31a  dd

12

 

 

 

1, 4

 

3

Eqpt w/racks and hoists for hauling spools of rayon yarn on beams

 

 

Yet another research project….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of tmkprr1954 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Moving Produce in 1928 On line reading via Google Books and Railway Age -

np328
 

The 1928 bound volume of Railway Age which was scanned and placed onto Google Books had numerous articles on Moving Perishables.
Yes much changed in the shipping of perishables and I and other have written on this list of the speeding up of schedules. One of my earliest enjoyable recollections was crowding into the double sized room on the NW corner of the Holiday Inn at perhaps the first or second Naperville Sunshine meet when Richard Hendrickson took us and a refrigerator car across the US with photos. 

   The University of Michigan Transportation Library was kind enough to scan up the entire 1928 version and place it online. 
So grab a beverage and find a good chair. 
Remember though, it is 1928, the stock market is great, and the future looks so bright, you might even need shades.
 
Here is a quick list of Perishable articles from around the US. 
1 Florida East Coast Perishables
2 Fruits and Vegetables shipped long distances - A look globally in the US
3 Handling and shipping fruit on the Northern Pacific - Things changed by the 40's how ever to me, still a good read.
4 Atlantic Coast Line moving Florida fruit
5 Missouri Pacific moves Texas produce
6 Frisco moving highly perishable strawberries to Kansas City / St. Louis connections 
7 New refrigerator cars for the Fruit Growers Express 
8 Icing three cars per minute on the IHB    

There are some other finds that I will list below with the links.     
My advice if you'll allow it is to start with the first overview link and just take your time and work down. You will find something for your modeled line be it railyards in Boston, new train stations like the building of Cleveland's Union Station, Rock Island, L&N, and a host of others, being in the money.  Cab Forwards for the SP, the worlds largest locomotive for a western road, other than all the railroad car info, Steam (of course) railroad car info. 

Here are the links to each topic, with a few outliers: 
With this first link, scroll down to page 2 explaining the Perishable Freight work up.
 https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PP7#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

Florida East Coast Perishables

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false

Howard Elliott obituary – New Haven, Northern Pacific President

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA65#v=onepage&q&f=false

First All Steel railcars retired

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q&f=false

Fruits and Vegetables shipped long distances

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA153#v=onepage&q&f=false

Handling and shipping fruit on the Northern Pacific

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA253#v=onepage&q&f=false

Atlantic Coast Line moving Florida fruit

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA343#v=onepage&q&f=false

Missouri Pacific moves Texas produce

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA449#v=onepage&q&f=false

Frisco moving highly perishable strawberries to Kansas City / St. Louis connections

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA698#v=onepage&q&f=false

New refrigerator cars for the Fruit Growers Express

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA715#v=onepage&q&f=false

For those looking for a scratch building challenge, a humane livestock car

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA1017#v=onepage&q&f=false

Speculative – solid carbon dioxide refrigerator car

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA1239#v=onepage&q&f=false

Icing three cars per minute on the IHB

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=lZYlAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA1305#v=onepage&q&f=false


Of the Howard Elliott obit, could someone pass that to the NH Historical Railroad io group?  

Hope this is worth your homebound perusal.                           Jim Dick  Roseville, MN    


 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Dave Parker
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:26 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.
One more time guys.  Prior to about 1942, there wasn't any such thing as a "free runner"
 
The photo that started this thread is of a B&M series 12100-12299 auto (not box) car built in 1910.  Although the photo quality is poor, it doesn't look like it dates to much more than a decade later.  In that context, I think the chances that it ended up in Florida as some sort of random routing event are zilch. 

I have not seen any Seattle photos, but the obvious examples of B&M cars in LA are in Speedwitch FOFC, vols 2 and 9.  Two cars total, both in 1936-37.  I would make the same case here:  it is very unlikely that they wandered down the coast having been loaded in Seattle.  That's much more of a 1945+ scenario.

Last, the important New England commodity that hasn't yet been mentioned is shoes, at least prior to WWII.  Hides came east, shoes went west.  IIRC, Woburn (MA) was the biggest center, which is why it's a SuperFund site today (chromium-6 problems).

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Richard Townsend
 

But as free runners they COULD have been loaded on their home road. <G>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A while back I was delighted to find a photo of a State Of Main boxcar in San Francisco.  That justified my having one of these cars on my roster.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 7/8/20 6:26 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: SOO Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 09:41 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1120289/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Possible car number is 40388.

40388 is a good number, built by Pullman Car & Mfg. Co. 8, 9-28 Lot 5432 Series 40200 - 40598 even. The lettering scheme is as delivered with the corporate initials above the SOO LINE name.
 
Dennis Storzek


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

   One more time, guys. Box cars were free runners. They could have arrived in Seattle after being loaded ANYWHERE. Get over the idea that they had to be loaded on their home road.

Tony Thompson




Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Chuck Soule
 

Regarding toothpicks, I specifically remember there used to be a Diamond Toothpick factory just south of the intersection of Union and Center Street in Tacoma, right next to Nalley's.  So toothpicks and similar small wood items were made in the Northwest and would have a relatively low likelihood of being shipped from New England. 

I think as likely as not B&M cars would show up out here with some kind of manufactured goods.  Someone mentioned the Bremerton Naval Shipyard earlier, which could be a recipient of repair parts from Bath Iron Works or some similar Naval parts supplier in the B&M part of New England.

Chuck Soule
Gig Harbor - which does not have a rail connection :(


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allen Cain
 

Attached are some of the marketing pictures for the Rail Shop Carbon Black Car kits and an article about them from Rail Model Journal.

Allen Cain


Re: Carbon Black drawings?

Allen Cain
 

Attached is the Mainline Modeler article from the May 1993 issue with drawings of a carbon black car.

Allen Cain