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Re: Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

Scott
 

Bill Welch posted a photo gallery that had an excellent side or 3/4 view of the rebuilt car with single door.   Unfortunately I can't find the bookmark of the gallery.  Perhaps Bill might remember the gallery website.

Scott McDonald 
Photo: Mystery Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Mystery Cars

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/025947.jpg

These cars appear to be gondolas with extensions. Anyone have an idea what these cars were used for?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: C&O Hopper 40843 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&O Hopper 40843 With Coal Load

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/002038.jpg

1930 or later.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Businesses served by the PRR's Mon Division/Branch over time

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Groups;

 

To add to the discussion on industries served, over time, I thought you might find this interesting:

 

PRR’s Monongahela Division/Branch:   1918, 1939, 1945, 1962:

Business Traffic by Commodity/Industry – 1918 to 1962

Commodity/

Industry

1918

1939

1945

1962

Auto/Truck Delivery

1

 

 

 

Boiler Tubes

1

 

 

 

Boxes

 

2

2

2

Brewing/Distilling

12

5

5

1

Brick (Standard, not refractories)

2

1

1

 

Cement

 

1

1

1

Chemical/Coke By-Products

1

3

4

4

Coal (Mining)

48

32

39

16

Coal (Retail)

1

2

2

 

Coke

 

4

1

1

 

Coal AND Coke

 

7

1

 

 

Concrete Block

 

 

 

1

Construction

 

 

2

 

Cooperage (Barrels)

1

1

1

 

Dairy

 

1

1

1

Drain Pipe

 

1

1

1

Drywall

 

1

1

1

Electrical Products

 

 

 

1

Feed and/or Milling

 

1

1

1

Flour

 

1

1

1

Foundry Products/”Iron Works”/Castings

3

1

1

 

Finished Furniture Storage & Transfer

 

1

1

 

Glass & Glasshouse Supply

 

11

5

5

2

Grain

2

 

 

 

Grocery/Supermarket Supply

1

1

1

1

Hangers

 

1

1

1

Hay

1

 

 

 

Ice

3

1

1

 

Iron Only (Muck Iron)

1

1

1

1

Iron & Steel Pipe (Primarily iron)

2

1

1

1

LCL/Station Deliveries

35

34

37

14

Lumber/Commercial Products/Building Supply

21

17

20

13

Machinery

5

4

4

3

Marine Ways

 

1

1

1

Meat

3

4

4

1

Mercantile

 

 

1

 

Mine & Mill Supply

 

1

1

1

1

Munitions Casings

 

 

1

1

Natural Gas

2

1

1

1

Oil or Refined Products

6

8

13

8

Paper (Wrapping)

1

 

 

 

Plumbing Supply

 

1

1

2

Power Generation

1

2

4

3

Produce

2

2

2

1

Railroad Track Parts

1

1

1

1

Railroad Wheels

1

1

1

?

Refractories

1

1

1

1

Sand & Gravel

2

1

1

 

Sashes & Doors

 

1

1

1

Scrap/Iron & Metal

2

2

5

5

Slag

 

 

1

 

Specialty Moving Services

 

 

1

 

Steel/Iron & Steel (primarily steel)

9

15

15

13

Steel Supply for Fabricators

1

1

1

1

Storage/Transfer/Warehousing

1

3

4

3

Team Track

1

1

1

1

Toy Pistols

1

 

 

 

Trunks & Bags

 

1

1

1

***Unknown***

 

8

15

6?

U.S. Army Engineers

 

1

1

 

Water (Water Treatment)

1

2

3

3

TOTAL BUSINESSES

 

200

180

218

122?

TOTAL CARLOADS IN / OUT

 

12,481/21,759

 

 

 

Percent Coal Mining (Out)

24%

18%

18%

13%

Carloads of Coal/Percentage of Total

 

 

 

 

Percent Station Delivery (In/Out)

18

19

17

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Steel Industry (In/Out)

5

8

7

11

 

 

 

 

 

Percent Lumber/Building Supply (In)

11

9

9

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note big declines in brewing, coal mining, coke, glass, LCL, and growth in steel and scrap.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 
Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

A circa 1950 photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/001827.jpg

I believe this is a "battleship" gondola, yes?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: C&O Hopper 110793 With Egg Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&O Hopper 110793 With Egg Coal Load

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/003501.jpg

1930 or later,

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: C&O Hopper 56516 With Lump Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&O Hopper 56516 With Lump Coal Load

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/003502.jpg

1930 or later,

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: C&O Hopper 113476 With Stove Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&O Hopper 113476 With Stove Coal Load

An undated photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/003500.jpg

1930 or later,

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: GRCX Tank Car 3800

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: GRCX Tank Car 3800

A 1938 photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/032354.jpg

The caption says Koppers Coal & Transportation Company but the GRCX reporting marks were assigned to Gulf Refining Co./Gulf Oil Corp. in the 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Chicago-Cleveland Viking outside metal roof

James Brewer
 

I'm not certain this is the "same" type of Viking roof used by the SP, but this one was used on a few classes of N&W boxcars:

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=3680

Jim Brewer
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Another product : wooden kitchen matches. EVERYONE needed them. One of the match makers had
an enormous factory near Duluth-Superior but there must have been others.

   There were at least two match factories in California in the WW II era.

Tony Thompson
Re: Chicago-Cleveland Viking outside metal roof

Rich C
 

That roof is interesting to me. It is a very early Viking. Please send me some roof shots before you attach the running board. I want to modify one of my spare flat roofs for a Maine Central X29.

Thanks in advance, my friend

On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 11:00:52 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi

I am building a Sunshine SP B50-14 with a Hutchins roof I already have two with Hutchins roofs and have two more to build again with Hutchins roofs what I would like to do is to build one of them with a Chicago-Cleveland Viking outside metal roof could I do this using the Hutchins roof as a starting point? Photos would also help.

Many thanks
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Lee Thwaits
 

There was (is?) a large Diamond Match mill in Chico, CA making matchsticks & toothpicks ( plus other products), enough to supply most of the west.

Lee Thwaits
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Also, during the frequent "car shortages" experienced by postwar railroads, I think it's a very good bet
that if a car was suitable, and was needed for an online customer, then the reporting marks were of no
consequence whatever.

The GN would HOARD it own box cars prior to the grain harvest, and spot them everywhere online
near grain elevators. And since GN was always griping about the online/offline imbalance of cars due to
slow returns, I think it's a safe bet the GN assigned other railroads' cars without regard to the "rules"
(which were really just guidelines anyway) -- at least before the grain harvest.




On 7/8/2020 1:22 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
R J Dial wrote:
I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.

     You're assuming they were loaded by the home road and sent to the West Coast. More likely they were loaded SOMEWHERE in the U.S. and sent there. For example, the car in Seattle might have come from LA or Houston. Car Service Rules would not encourage westward movements of those cars, of course, but after WW II, the AAR surveys found that only about 2/3 of car movements were in accord with those Rules, so there is a lot of scope for "exceptions," though they really are not even exceptions.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


EGADS! That sounds movie-worthy! I get vertigo just thinking about it.

On 7/8/2020 8:04 PM, Ted Culotta wrote:
True on the New Haven. There was the 2-10-2 (hauling Steam Era freight cars... did I stay outta jail Mike?) that threw a tire while on the Poughkeepsie Bridge (gantlet tracked so there was no pulling up alongside with a crane) on a bitter, bitter cold night. The tire had to be sweated back on manually on the bridge.

Ted Culotta


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: UTLX 96720

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Tim,

Yes, it is an ACF car and is represented by the Kadee model.  All the Kadee ICC 105A-300W tank cars are listed as Discontinued, and there are no large images of the models on their website, so it's a bit hard to tell exactly.  The other model that is of an ACF ICC 105 is by Atlas.  Not as well detailed nor as pricey, but still a good model.  I noticed that both models have ACF builder's marks stenciled on the center sill.

Todd Sullivan
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


I was very surprised to learn that Idaho Potatoes with those wonderful brown skins.. are actually
treated with SULFURIC ACID sprayed onto the fields. The skins are a defense! :-D

I don't know how far back that goes, but it's definitely been done for a while now.

On 7/8/2020 11:23 PM, akerboomk wrote:

RE: B&M cars.

There’s always the Jones and Lamson Machine Tool works from Springfield VT (Shipped on the Springfield Terminal)  Sending machine tools to Boeing (or some aviation supplier)?

 

Re: Potatoes

Were the same varieties of potatoes grown in Idaho & Maine?  I’ve no idea what kinds were grown in Maine.  My image of an Idaho potato is just the Russets, but that may be more out of ignorance (maybe I should look at the bags, next time I’m in the store ;-) than any actual knowledge of what varieties are/were grown in Idaho.

 

RE: National “pools” of cars

Boxcars and flat cars were truly national pools.  There’s  a bunch of instances in ORERs where the B&M was renumbering cars and had pleas to “send our cars home so they can get renumbered”.

Then there’s the saga of flat 33509:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/s/BMRRM_33509_flatcar.pdf

 

[from the B&M RR Magazine July, 1951 (vol 19 No. 7)]


Ken Akerboom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Different varieties.

On 7/8/2020 11:23 PM, BillM wrote:

FEC shipped potatoes from the 5th district south of Miami and also the Hastings area.

Bill Michael

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Brusgard
Sent: July 8, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Potatoes!!! 



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Chicago-Cleveland Viking outside metal roof

Paul Doggett
 

Hi

I am building a Sunshine SP B50-14 with a Hutchins roof I already have two with Hutchins roofs and have two more to build again with Hutchins roofs what I would like to do is to build one of them with a Chicago-Cleveland Viking outside metal roof could I do this using the Hutchins roof as a starting point? Photos would also help.

Many thanks
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Another product : wooden kitchen matches. EVERYONE needed them. One of the match makers had
an enormous factory near Duluth-Superior but there must have been others.

There's a lot of pine in New England too - but the really good stuff was removed in colonial days - for ship masts!
The second and third growth forests are mostly for paper and pulp.

Oh, another New England forest product to this day - hardwood FLOORING lumber. Lots of it. Oak. Maple.

And of course - wood furniture.



On 7/8/2020 11:13 PM, Doug Paasch wrote:

Good thought on the lumber.  The PNW is almost all softwood.  Hardwoods would need to come from the east, like maple (duh!), red & white oak, black walnut, etc.  Toothpicks, clothes pins, and textiles (especially woolens) are possibilities.  And manufactured goods, too.

 

Thanks for more ideas.  This is great!

 

  Doug Paasch



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
18081 - 18100 of 193476