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Re: 1960 End Date
LOL ! :-D
On 7/11/2020 11:18 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
Ummmmm... Jared?? Do you realize you're replying to this group's message #58? From December 2000??? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 1960 End Date
Tom Madden
Ummmmm... Jared?? Do you realize you're replying to this group's message #58? From December 2000???
Tom Madden
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Re: Extreme Tank Car Modeling
These photos show MSTL gas electric GE-25 in week sprayer service, on fire. The attached tank car, containing the weed killer, is AMOX 701. Date is July 1, 1963 at Heartand MN.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:24 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Extreme Tank Car Modeling
Folks,
With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.
Regards, Bruce
Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Bob,
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Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
Tony Thompson
That a car end would be termed "indestructible" tells you all you need to know about problems with wood car ends, leading eventually to steel ends, of course. And BTW the name of that end turned out to be inaccurate.
Tony Thompson
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Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 04:36 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
That’s a B&O M-15 boxcar rebuilt with “Indestructible ends.” These became M-15f, M-15h, and M-15j subclasses.Photo from the 1922 CBC:  Lack of initials above the car number seems to suggest a DL&W car. Here's an Erie car:  Dennis Storzek
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Re: 1960 End Date
Benjamin Hom
Jared Harper wrote: "You're alive! Since I have not heard a peep about you or from you I thought you might have croaked from Covid." Not funny. Greg Martin. Way too soon. Ben Hom
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Re: Coupler Mounting Screws
Matt you are right. Mine are 4-40, but I have used them to cut brass 2-56 screws.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws
Interesting. I’ve seen 4-40 shears on wire strippers, but not 2-56. The former works, but requires cleanup. Ironically, my full size strippers will cut down to the 4-40, whereas the smaller strippers that will do 30 gauge wire only goes down to 6’s.
Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio, US
On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
I have an electrician’s wire stripper that also is designed to cut a variety of small screw sizes, including 2-56. Works great on brass screws, gives a nice clean cut, just touch up with a file and I have one any length I want.
Doug Harding
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Ben,
Why I like the Delrin 2-56 screws is I can cut or trim them to the exact length that I want, with ease. I've done this before and after installation with equal success.
Mont Switzer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Benjamin Hom [b.hom@...] Wayne Cohen wrote:
Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue? Use metal screws instead.
Ben Hom
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Re: 1960 End Date
Jared Harper
You're alive! Since I have not heard a peep about you or from you I thought you might have croaked from Covid.
Jared Harper
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B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
David
I do, however, find the roof unusual. Why to the seam caps seem to stop a good foot short of the eave?I believe those are stiffening ridges of some kind. If you look at the right side of the roof, the panel seams do extend all the way to the edge, beyond the more prominent features. David Thompson
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Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load
David
Virginian class G-2, ordinary 50-ton gondola. Curiously, Kanawha Glen Jean & Eastern ordered copies of this design, but those cars do not appear to have gone to C&O when it took over that line in 1940.
David Thompson
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Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 62812
David
I believe that's a BR&P hopper in the background.
David Thompson
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Photo: Norfolk & Western Boxcar 65216
David
N&W 65216 is a class BJa ventilator car. Lettering style dates it to the late '20s or early-mid '30s, and the car has a replacement Climax radial roof. Lumber is not the first lading one might think of for a vent, but this N&W car and the Seaboard vent behind it were pressed into board service along the way.
David Thompson
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Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
Eric Hansmann
That’s a B&O M-15 boxcar rebuilt with “Indestructible ends.” These became M-15f, M-15h, and M-15j subclasses. HO resin kits have been available from Westerfield Models.
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I have no idea about the seam caps on the roof. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Jul 10, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
David
Home-grown Tatum end. B&O applied it to many of their double-sheathed cars in the 1920s and '30s.
David Thompson
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Re: Photos: MPLX Tank Car 966 - Mexican Petroleum Corporation
Dave Parker
John:
I date the American Gas silver-on-black scheme to about 1930. I don't think it persisted very long, and my sense is that the white-oval-on-black scheme came along later. My guess is that you want the latter for the late 1940s. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
Dave Parker
I don't know how unusual this combination is generally, but it (or something similar) is not uncommon on rebuilt 36-ft DS cars (D&H, NYNH&H, probably others). But, this is a 40-ft car (says my 1938 ORER), so maybe it is. Perhaps one of the B&O experts can comment.
I do, however, find the roof unusual. Why to the seam caps seem to stop a good foot short of the eave? Have we ever seen this before? -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Photos: MPLX Tank Car 966 - Mexican Petroleum Corporation
John Stanford
Does anyone know the timeline for the later MPLX lettering schemes? Did the American Gas lettering on silver preceed the white Amoco logo on black, or were they concurrent? Wondering what would be appropriate for late 40's.
-John Stanford
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B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?
Folks,
A Facebook poster pointed out that B&O boxcar #82965, just to the right of center and just beyond the two tank cars in this John Vachon, June 1941 photo of Milwaukee's yards
shows a single sheathed end on a double sheathed car. (I suggest going to the .tif image at https://cdn.loc.gov/master/pnp/fsa/8c19000/8c19600/8c19665u.tif to
really blow it up).
Other photos in the series are interesting as well, including this nearly top-down gondola load
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn
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Re: Coupler Mounting Screws
Schuyler Larrabee
Actually, binder head screws are used in conjunction with binder posts, a T-shaped internally-threaded post which fits in standard punched holes in paper. The posts and the screws are used to >>bind<< booklets and to get to topic, freight car diagram books. Having caused the ELHS to republish freight, passenger and locomotive diagram books, I am quite familiar with them.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws
What you illustrate is called a “binder-head” screw. They have the thinnest head among the common screw types. Due to the shallow head few have Phillips or cross-head driving recesses. They were developed to hold wires to terminals, called “binding”. They are commonly found in the electronics industry, especially on barrier-type terminal strips.
Slightly thicker and more rounded are “pan-head” screws. The thicker head allows, in addition the common slot, use of Phillips or cross-head driving recesses.
Next up in head thickness is the common “round-head” screw where the head is nearly hemispherical.
There are many other types. The more common include:
“stove-head” screws (sometimes called" truss-head”) that have a larger diameter thin head. The name comes from their original use in assembling sheet metal heating and cooking stoves.
“fillister-head” screws (sometimes called “cheese-head”) have a thick cylindrical head, usually with a slightly convex top surface. These are found mostly in machine assembly. Some of the Kadee plastic screws have this head. Most of the thicker head styles are also available with “Allen” (hex socket) driving recesses, and nowadays “”Torx” or similar star-shaped recesses. Complicating the issue is that every make uses slightly different shape and proportions, plus many commercial large-scale users specify their own designs. Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: Poultry cars : Bachmann news just received
No one is going to import a "Tangent quality" RTR poultry car from China (or wherever). Ambroid wood kit, Overland brass, or scratchbuild. Them's the choices in HO scale.
On 7/10/2020 12:00 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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