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Photo: Western Maryland Gondola 50519 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Western Maryland Gondola 50519 With Coal Load

A 1936 photo from West Virginia University:

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/001972.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Paul R Greenwald
 

Bruce -

There is a PRR steel box car (570940) on the the next track to the left.  Any idea what class it is?

Paul R Greenwald 
PRRT&HS 1802
NMRA #129229 

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Paul R Greenwald 
PRRT&HS #1802
NMRA #129229


Re: 1960 End Date

Tim O'Connor
 


LOL ! :-D


On 7/11/2020 11:18 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
Ummmmm... Jared?? Do you realize you're replying to this group's message #58? From December 2000???

Tom Madden

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 1960 End Date

Tom Madden
 

Ummmmm... Jared?? Do you realize you're replying to this group's message #58? From December 2000???

Tom Madden


Re: Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Douglas Harding
 

These photos show MSTL gas electric GE-25 in week sprayer service, on fire. The attached tank car, containing the weed killer, is AMOX 701. Date is July 1, 1963 at Heartand MN.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Extreme Tank Car Modeling

 

Folks,

 

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

 

Regards,

Bruce

 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:15 AM
To:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling

 

Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk

Todd Sullivan


Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Tony Thompson
 

     That a car end would be termed "indestructible" tells you all you need to know about problems with wood car ends, leading eventually to steel ends, of course. And BTW the name of that end turned out to be inaccurate.

Tony Thompson




Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 04:36 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
That’s a B&O M-15 boxcar rebuilt with “Indestructible ends.” These became M-15f, M-15h, and M-15j subclasses.
Photo from the 1922 CBC:


Lack of initials above the car number seems to suggest a DL&W car. Here's an Erie car:


Dennis Storzek


Re: 1960 End Date

Benjamin Hom
 

Jared Harper wrote:
"You're alive!  Since I have not heard a peep about you or from you I thought you might have croaked from Covid."

Not funny.  Greg Martin.  Way too soon.


Ben Hom


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Douglas Harding
 

Matt you are right. Mine are 4-40, but I have used them to cut brass 2-56 screws.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Interesting. I’ve seen 4-40 shears on wire strippers, but not 2-56. The former works, but requires cleanup. Ironically, my full size strippers will cut down to the 4-40, whereas the smaller strippers that will do 30 gauge wire only goes down to 6’s.

 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio, US

 

On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

 

I have an electrician’s wire stripper that also is designed to cut a variety of small screw sizes, including 2-56. Works great on brass screws, gives a nice clean cut, just touch up with a file and I have one any length I want.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Ben,

 

Why I like the Delrin 2-56 screws is I can cut or trim them to the exact length that I want, with ease.  I've done this before and after installation with equal success.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Benjamin Hom [b.hom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

Wayne Cohen wrote: 
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

 

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.

 

 

Ben Hom

 


Re: 1960 End Date

Jared Harper
 

You're alive!  Since I  have not  heard a peep about you or from you I thought you might have croaked from Covid.

Jared Harper


B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

David
 

I do, however, find the roof unusual.  Why to the seam caps seem to stop a good foot short of the eave?
I believe those are stiffening ridges of some kind. If you look at the right side of the roof, the panel seams do extend all the way to the edge, beyond the more prominent features.

David Thompson


Photo: VGN Gondola 18125 With Coal Load

David
 

Virginian class G-2, ordinary 50-ton gondola. Curiously, Kanawha Glen Jean & Eastern ordered copies of this design, but those cars do not appear to have gone to C&O when it took over that line in 1940.

David Thompson


Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 62812

David
 

I believe that's a BR&P hopper in the background.

David Thompson


Photo: Norfolk & Western Boxcar 65216

David
 

N&W 65216 is a class BJa ventilator car. Lettering style dates it to the late '20s or early-mid '30s, and the car has a replacement Climax radial roof. Lumber is not the first lading one might think of for a vent, but this N&W car and the Seaboard vent behind it were pressed into board service along the way.

David Thompson


Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Eric Hansmann
 

That’s a B&O M-15 boxcar rebuilt with “Indestructible ends.” These became M-15f, M-15h, and M-15j subclasses. HO resin kits have been available from Westerfield Models. 

I have no idea about the seam caps on the roof. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 10, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

A Facebook poster pointed out that B&O boxcar #82965, just to the right of center and just beyond the two tank cars in this John Vachon, June 1941 photo of Milwaukee's yards
shows a single sheathed end on a double sheathed car. (I suggest going to the .tif image at https://cdn.loc.gov/master/pnp/fsa/8c19000/8c19600/8c19665u.tif to really blow it up).

Other photos in the series are interesting as well, including this nearly top-down gondola load

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn


B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

David
 

Home-grown Tatum end. B&O applied it to many of their double-sheathed cars in the 1920s and '30s.

David Thompson


Re: Photos: MPLX Tank Car 966 - Mexican Petroleum Corporation

Dave Parker
 

John:

I date the American Gas silver-on-black scheme to about 1930.  I don't think it persisted very long, and my sense is that the white-oval-on-black scheme came along later.   My guess is that you want the latter for the late 1940s.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Dave Parker
 

I don't know how unusual this combination is generally, but it (or something similar) is not uncommon on rebuilt 36-ft DS cars (D&H, NYNH&H, probably others).  But, this is a 40-ft car (says my 1938 ORER), so maybe it is.  Perhaps one of the B&O experts can comment.

I do, however, find the roof unusual.  Why to the seam caps seem to stop a good foot short of the eave?  Have we ever seen this before?
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photos: MPLX Tank Car 966 - Mexican Petroleum Corporation

John Stanford
 

Does anyone know the timeline for the later MPLX lettering schemes?  Did the American Gas lettering on silver preceed the white Amoco logo on black, or were they concurrent?  Wondering what would be appropriate for late 40's.

-John Stanford


B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

A Facebook poster pointed out that B&O boxcar #82965, just to the right of center and just beyond the two tank cars in this John Vachon, June 1941 photo of Milwaukee's yards
shows a single sheathed end on a double sheathed car. (I suggest going to the .tif image at https://cdn.loc.gov/master/pnp/fsa/8c19000/8c19600/8c19665u.tif to really blow it up).

Other photos in the series are interesting as well, including this nearly top-down gondola load

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn

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