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Re: NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

Ray Breyer
 

Diagrams yes. Engineering drawings no.
For those you need to contact the NKPHTS.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 04:41:30 PM CDT, ed_mines via groups.io <ed_mines@...> wrote:


my recollection is that NKP freight car diagrams used to be available on the internet under the umbrella "alphabet route"


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Back in the early 90’s, I went looking at an electronics parts house in Nashville for usable stuff.

 

One bin was 2-56 x ¼” binder head screws. $1.00/pound. I still have a couple of pounds left.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of John Monrad <jrmonrad@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 


Dimensions per McMaster-Carr for 2-56 screw heads, 18-8 ss:

Type    Diameter (in)   Height (in)   /100 (1/4in)
Truss       0.194              0.053             $4.96
Binding*  0.181              0.050             $4.69
Pan          0.167              0.063             $4.49

*Slotted only

John Monrad


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Dan,
     Yes, these are blackened steel but in S scale they're just that much higher from the uncoupling magnets than in HO so I haven't seen any issues with that. I'm using the small 1/8" diameter cylindrical magnets that my friend Chuck Davis put me onto, these sit just inside the rails and do tend to pull steel wheels towards them but the coupler screws being farther away have not shown any problems. Am starting to get nickel silver wheels to alleviate the wheel pulling.
    I forgot to mention the screws I bought are self tapping too. Pic attached of the between the rails magnets.
       Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

George Corral
 

Great place to spend hours noodling around for surplus aircraft grade you name it.  Lived just around the corner.  Haven't been in that store for years.  Was Joe Factors then.  Left over store from aircraft production support businesses for Lockheed and war production.

Luky's Hardware

Another great place was San Fernando Hardware.  Don't know if it still exists.

George Corral


Re: NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

ed_mines
 

my recollection is that NKP freight car diagrams used to be available on the internet under the umbrella "alphabet route"


Scalecoat II on resin freight cars, was Tru-Color

mopacfirst
 

I've changed the subject line since I'm changing the subject.

Recently I have used rattle-can Scalecoat II on several resin freight car models, without a primer.  Adhesion isn't wonderful, but it seems to be good enough to decal over.  And I did have the experience of pre-coating one or two cars with Tru-Color in tight spots (brushing) and I did see the paint just fall off.

My question is, am I setting myself up for trouble in the future?  Could the Scalecoat have some problems in the future where it just peels off or doesn't stand up to an 0-5-0 picking up the car?  I was doing a bunch of painting in a short time, about the time the primer discussion really got going on here, and I'd pretty much gone direct from Floquil to Scalecoat.

I have acquired some of the Tamiya primer and I believe I ought to adopt it as standard from now on, I'm just wondering if I've created a problem with what I've done in the last year.  An example of the paint schemes I've applied was a Sunshine CB&Q 40' double door painted in Chinese red with Microscale decals.

Ron Merrick





Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars
Tony Thompson
1:33pm  

Scott, I use their surfacer but often just grab a can of One of their light grays. Seems to work fine,
Tony Thompson  

 
 
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On Jul 11, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

 
Hi; already we have had the the universal opinion of yes for the use of primer on resin before a Tru-Color coat. Decades ago, I tried my 1st (and last) attempt to paint AccuPaint on an un-primered resin box car. The paint fell off in sheets! I wondered at that time if this would be a useful idea for making scale sized thickness canvas tarps!
 
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
 
 
 
 
Group,
 
Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?
 
Thanks
 
Tim Alund
 
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Andy Carlson
1:30pm  

 
Hi; already we have had the the universal opinion of yes for the use of primer on resin before a Tru-Color coat. Decades ago, I tried my 1st (and last) attempt to paint AccuPaint on an un-primered resin box car. The paint fell off in sheets! I wondered at that time if this would be a useful idea for making scale sized thickness canvas tarps!
 
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
 
 
 
 
Group,
 
Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?
 
Thanks
 
Tim Alund
 
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I keep both the Tamiya red oxide and light grey primer handy and use before any rolling stock painting.  I have a bin of Tr-Color on hand but these days use it and PBL Star Brand for matching to Vallejo acrylics usually Vallejo Model Color for hand brushing. One color I have yet to match is the PBL Star Brand SP-UP Dark Olive to represent the SP color Dark Olive in Japan for passenger equipment. I don't do much passenger these days but when I do out comes the PreVal sprayer.

For a couple of cars both plastic and resin, the Tamiya red oxide was close enough to the color I wanted that I just sprayed the car a second time and used that as the final coat before on to the Future and decalling.

Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek

 

 


From: mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>

 
 
 
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Tony Thompson wrote:

You must! The Tru-Color will not adhere to resin at all. Prime any way you like (I prefer Tamiya rattle cans).
Tony,

Which Tamiya primer do you prefer to use?

Scott Seders

 

 


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Pierre Oliver
12:58pm  

ABSOLUTELY!
I had a huge failure with Tru-color paint on a custom project that wound up costing me a lot of money.
Tamiya Fine Surface Primer is a great choice, the tru-color primer is not worth bothering with, in my experience

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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On 7/11/20 3:42 p.m., Tim via groups.io wrote:
Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund

 

 


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Tony Thompson
12:54pm  

Tim Alund wrote:

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?
  You must! The Tru-Color will not adhere to resin at all. Prime any way you like (I prefer Tamiya rattle cans).


Tony Thompson
tony@...

 

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Paul Doggett
12:50pm  

Tim

Definitely I us a rattle can of fine car primer Trucolor will not stick to resin without a good primer otherwise it’s good paint.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
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On 11 Jul 2020, at 20:42, Tim via groups.io <Atoolman2@...> wrote:

Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund


 

 


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O Fenton Wells
12:48pm  

Yes, in my humble opinion
Fenton
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On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim via groups.io <Atoolman2=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund




 
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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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From: mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>

 
 
 
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Tim
12:42pm  

Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund

 

 


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Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Scott, I use their surfacer but often just grab a can of One of their light grays. Seems to work fine,
Tony Thompson  


On Jul 11, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Hi; already we have had the the universal opinion of yes for the use of primer on resin before a Tru-Color coat. Decades ago, I tried my 1st (and last) attempt to paint AccuPaint on an un-primered resin box car. The paint fell off in sheets! I wondered at that time if this would be a useful idea for making scale sized thickness canvas tarps!

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund

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Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Andy Carlson
 

Hi; already we have had the the universal opinion of yes for the use of primer on resin before a Tru-Color coat. Decades ago, I tried my 1st (and last) attempt to paint AccuPaint on an un-primered resin box car. The paint fell off in sheets! I wondered at that time if this would be a useful idea for making scale sized thickness canvas tarps!

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund

-=-=-=-=-=-=-


Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Ken Adams
 

I keep both the Tamiya red oxide and light grey primer handy and use before any rolling stock painting.  I have a bin of Tr-Color on hand but these days use it and PBL Star Brand for matching to Vallejo acrylics usually Vallejo Model Color for hand brushing. One color I have yet to match is the PBL Star Brand SP-UP Dark Olive to represent the SP color Dark Olive in Japan for passenger equipment. I don't do much passenger these days but when I do out comes the PreVal sprayer.

For a couple of cars both plastic and resin, the Tamiya red oxide was close enough to the color I wanted that I just sprayed the car a second time and used that as the final coat before on to the Future and decalling.

Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Scott Seders
 

Tony Thompson wrote:

You must! The Tru-Color will not adhere to resin at all. Prime any way you like (I prefer Tamiya rattle cans).
Tony,

Which Tamiya primer do you prefer to use?

Scott Seders


Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Pierre Oliver
 

ABSOLUTELY!
I had a huge failure with Tru-color paint on a custom project that wound up costing me a lot of money.
Tamiya Fine Surface Primer is a great choice, the tru-color primer is not worth bothering with, in my experience

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 7/11/20 3:42 p.m., Tim via groups.io wrote:
Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund


Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Tim Alund wrote:

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?
You must! The Tru-Color will not adhere to resin at all. Prime any way you like (I prefer Tamiya rattle cans).


Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Paul Doggett
 

Tim

Definitely I us a rattle can of fine car primer Trucolor will not stick to resin without a good primer otherwise it’s good paint.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

On 11 Jul 2020, at 20:42, Tim via groups.io <Atoolman2=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund



Re: Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes, in my humble opinion
Fenton

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim via groups.io <Atoolman2=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund





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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Tru Color paint on Resin Freight Cars

Tim
 

Group,

Question for you all. I’m painting a Yarmouth resin car and going to be using Tru Color paints. This is my first time using Tru Color on a train car. Would you guys recommend priming the car first?

Thanks

Tim Alund


Quick-drying paint option

Jim King
 

I’ve been using Dupli-Color grey primer on all of my kits and patterns for the past several years because it covers well and dries quickly.  However, because the nozzle is not designed for tight corners, I only use it for a general light coating to show areas that need some attention and to cover glue residue from Acetone.  Today, I primed an S scale B&O M15k body pattern that will go into production early next week and needed the fine control of an airbrush plus a quick-dry coat.

 

I don’t have time for Floquil primer to dry.  It takes DAYS at room temp; even with the help of my shop oven at 85F, it would take too long.  Spraying the Dupli-Color into a Paasche bottle to about 50% full, then adding about 40% of lacquer thinner gives me a great alternative to traditional Floquil.  I spray this mixture at around 18 psi outside under full sunlight so I don’t miss any spots.  This mixture is VERY thin … it took 10+ passes to cover bare styrene with about 10-15 seconds in between … but there are no blobs, drips or runs.  It dries FLAT in less than a minute and will fully cure in about 2 hours.  Great foundation for powders and oils if you use other colors.

 

Since I’ll have to handle the body a lot during rubber mold prepping steps, I’m letting it dry overnight.  This is a dull finish but can be shined with a paper towel.  A gloss coat is still required for decal application but since this body will be used as a mold master, the paper towel shine is sufficient.  Leftover paint is stored in the same airbrush bottle (I coat the threads of all opened paint bottles with Johnson’s floor wax to keep air out and store the bottles upside down so the thinner is away from the threads).

 

If you need a good quality, fast-drying paint but finer control than a rattle can nozzle provides, here’s an option.  The Dupli-Color line is available at Auto Zone and most other car shops.  It’s a bit pricy at around $8-9.00/can but lasts a while (mine is 2+ years old), especially when thinned as I’ve done for airbrushing.  Other colors are available, including a rusty-primer color that is very close to Floquil’s Zinc Chromate Primer (handy for B&O modelers!), black and others.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hmm, those are pretty cool.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

I've found "button head" screws from Micro Fasteners to be very low profile.I bought them in 2-56 and 0-80. They use a small allen wrench of which the size escapes me right now. I like the way they look compared to a phillips cross slot when underbody detailing is important.

     The attached pic is on my S scale scratchbuilt underframe for an LV caboose I'm converting to scale from Am Flyer. I use the 0-80 with the Kadee 802 couplers.

      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The Allen “button-head” is typically similar to a Pan-head, but maybe just a tad thinner. One nice thing about them is that they are almost always blackened. They’re also a higher strength screw, but I can’t imagine that being a major factor in model railroading.

The one downside is that they are steel, and thus magnetic. This can cause problems with Kadee-type couplers. An alternative is to get Stainless-steel Allen heads screws ... these are minimally magnetic and have the same profile … they do need to be painted however.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:

I've found "button head" screws from Micro Fasteners to be very low profile.I bought them in 2-56 and 0-80. They use a small allen wrench of which the size escapes me right now. I like the way they look compared to a phillips cross slot when underbody detailing is important.
     The attached pic is on my S scale scratchbuilt underframe for an LV caboose I'm converting to scale from Am Flyer. I use the 0-80 with the Kadee 802 couplers.
      Bud Rindfleisch
<LV AM Flyer caboose project 7-5-15 002.jpg>


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Bob Weston
 

Tichy model is not correct for this car. Tichy has 9 panels while the AC&Y car has 11.
Bob Weston


AC&Y Gon

Bob Weston
 

AC&Y gon reportedly made by Magor and acquired second hand in 1919. Are there any HO models of this car?