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Re: [PRR] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 280422
Eric Hansmann
That’s the image that inspired the paint, lettering, and weathering on my X26. Here’s the blog post. http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/14/masking-tape-as-a-weathering-tool/
I’ve seen images featuring a couple other Lines cars that had a hasty reletter job.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: PRR@PRR.groups.io <PRR@PRR.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:33 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; PRR@PRR.groups.io Subject: Re: [PRR] [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 280422
X26 540005 to the right has had "LINES" painted out.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Photo: PRR Gondola 280422 A 1926 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261933.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: B&M covered hopper 5599 / KCEX #119
akerboomk
It was KEPX 119 (not KCEX)
I can't find who owned those reporting marks. -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
Brent Greer
I know that most of this detail would be too small to see with normal vision in HO scale (but that certainly doesn't stop Bill from doing the incredible detailing that he does), so it makes me wonder, has anyone ever made route card decals in HO scale?
Brent (at the end of a long Friday and yes, I have started my vacation with an early libation - so please forgive if this is a ridiculous thought - it wasn't my first and won't be the last...)
🙂
Brent
Dr. J. Brent Greer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:57 PM To: Espee@groups.io <Espee@groups.io>; RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993 Bob Chaparro wrote:
I count six cards or remnants of cards. Clerks would tell you they never bothered to remove old cards, but just added the new one that was needed.
Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: WHD Boxcar 560
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Bob and List Members,
Any chance this is an insulated boxcar? Possible
equipped with a heater? I ask because the one door we can just barely see looks
like it has two leaves and is hinged like a reefer door.
Claus Schlund
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Re: [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
Tony Thompson
Bob Chaparro wrote:
I count six cards or remnants of cards. Clerks would tell you they never bothered to remove old cards, but just added the new one that was needed. Tony Thompson
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Re: pickle cars in California (was Re: Heinz plant locations)
Pickles and vinegar have little in common other than they shipped in wood vats or tanks. I have not found any information on salting stations within Cali. Pickles were packed in the Seattle area by Nalleys. Vinegar production facilities did exist in California. There was a large plant in the East Bay for a number of years. Some of the wine produced in California ended up as vinegar. Gene Deimling
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Photo: American Steel & Wire Company Gondola 1204
Photo: American Steel & Wire Company Gondola 1204 A circa 1915-1917 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A200102.108.DR/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: WF&NW Boxcar 4108
Photo: WF&NW Boxcar 4108 A 1913 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.133770.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. This possibly is a Wichita Falls & Northwestern Railway boxcar. Information on that company: https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/eqw10 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Flat Cars With Stationary Steam Engine Load
Photo: Flat Cars With Stationary Steam Engine Load A 1907 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.071580.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 280422
X26 540005 to the right has had "LINES" painted out.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 280422 Photo: PRR Gondola 280422 A 1926 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261933.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: PRR Hopper 192255
Photo: PRR Hopper 192255 A 1916 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.164385.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Good 3/4 view of "B" end. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993 Two 1918 photos from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.2557.RR/viewer https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.2558.RR/viewer Scroll on the photos to enlarge them. Looks like there are at least two route cards on this car. Second photo is a shot of a messy interior. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: PRR Gondola 280422
Photo: PRR Gondola 280422 A 1926 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261933.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: WHD Boxcar 560
Photo: WHD Boxcar 560 A 1909 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.091278.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Very good view of the "A" end. Possibly Western Heater Despatch boxcar. J. Kibben Ingalls was head of the North Western Refrigerator Line Company and organized his own private car company, the Western Heater Despatch, in 1906. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Illinois Central Concrete Coal Hopper Car 230000
Photo: Illinois Central Concrete Coal Hopper Car 230000 A 1919 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3Arg90.14.61/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Description: "This coal car was an experiment initiated by the Illinois Central Railroad in response to a national need to divert steel to the war effort during World War I. Photo taken in the yards of the Westmoreland Coal Company at Export, Pa." Note stencil "Not To Leave Lines". Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Canadian Pacific Railroad Boxcar 131944
Photo: Canadian Pacific Railroad Boxcar 131944 A 1913 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.133731.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Very good view of the "B" end. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: GATX 4507
Photo: GATX 4507 A 1916 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives: https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.16899.CP/viewer Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Very good view of the "B" end. Notice the "MCB Construction" stencil. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Heinz plant locations
Dave Parker
Re: Absence of receiving stations in CA
We can only speculate, but the factory in Tracy was completed in 1946, and accounted for 15% of Heinz's US production (see p. 7). Tracy is in the (northern) heart of the San Joaquin Valley, one of the proverbial "breadbaskets of the world", and the one with most crop diversity. Even by 1940, much of the SJV's road network was paved, including all of Highway 99 which connected Bakersfield and Sacramento. My guess would be that the combination of a modern plant that did not specialize in cucumber products, and a more modern infrastructure, obviated the need for receiving stations. Much of what was processed at Tracy could have come from fields within a 50 or 100 mile radius. Much of the cucumber infrastructure in MI also appears in the 1910 map, suggesting a lot of legacy facilities, although there seems to have been some consolidation of factories. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Mont and friends, That must have been some pretty thin stock to have fitted so many coils in those old gondolas. I'm most familiar with much heavier coils that were shipped from USS Geneva in Utah to USS Columbia/Pittsburg (no "h") in California via the D&RGW, WP and Sacramento Northern. These coils were shipped horizontally for years uncovered in gondolas beginning in 1944 on disposable wooden cradles at first in any cars that were available. By the mid-1950s the coils moved in dedicated cars with permanent racks. Rust was apparently not a problem, as they would have moved fairly quickly to their destination. At Pittsburg the coils were cold rolled into thinner stock for automobile or appliance stamping, and even thinner for can stock (which was tinned by USS there at Pittsburg). How and where they were shipped for further processing is unknown to me, but it was likely in boxcars. See my articles at https://www.wplives.org/sn/steel.html and https://www.wplives.org/sn/gon.html for more on this operation. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 11:31 AM Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] coil gondola shipping early problems
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Mont and Andy;
Industry guys generally summarize it this way: Hot coil, because it does not require weather protection (since it undergoes additional treatment elsewhere, or not at all) goes eyes up in open gons, on dunnage, generally over the trucks in threes at either end, but this varies. OK, we got that, but cold-rolled has a great story.
Originally, small and medium cold-rolled went like this: (PRR earliest…)
….without blocking (!), or with pieces of 2x4 shoved under the ends, and so, destroyed the car they were put in (the correspondence that goes with this is great reading)
And yes, we all know cold-rolled required weather protection, but how? Box cars (most were still 40-ton cars) were not constructed for loads that heavy, or with such ability to destroy everything around them. They were generally loaded with a forklift, which forklift + coil = seriously buckled car.
PRR did a lot of experiments, but industry kept telling them, “nope, try again”.
So, the story I am developing is the PRR’s (and others, incl NKP, B&O, Erie, NYC, P&LE, B&LE, SP, and others)) development of their first dedicated “coil cars”. I have great correspondence between RRs and industries, as they agonized about how to make it work!
Andy; I totally agree with you; “hot bands”. And here, also, PRR X53 dedicated as a dedicated tinplate car, for palletized coils banded eyes up:
Elden Gatwood
>>>>> I would suspect in that era the original coils were shipped on end in closed (boxcars) cars with lots of blocking and bracing. Enclosed cars helps prevent rust, dirt, etc. for the same reasons most coil cars of today are covered.
Mont Tin plate coils are still shipped that way today (coils laid on end-eye to the sky, in boxcars). The coils in these photos look like "hot bands", coils that have not been finished yet. Knowing they will be pickled, cut, and possibly sized...they
did not need to be protected from the elements.
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