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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Schuyler Larrabee
Indeed. Beautiful model.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 3:54 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] coil gondola shipping early problems
Good looking car Eric Fenton
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:47 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
-- Fenton Wells Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: And we're shipping kits
Guy Wilber
Pierre Oliver,
You’ve done an excellent job on these various kits. Are you offering the appropriate decals for the 65100-65199 series cars which were equipped with Evans Auto~Loaders? Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993 / route cards
Todd Sullivan
Bill Welch said,
"I think little bit of decals would do the trick ... However not sure how to make them removable." Well, Bill, I couldn't resist replying to that one. Canopy cement (or Hob-e-Tak which I use) is hte answer. Apply a very small dot on the car side, apply the decal mostly dry, do not use setting solution, then remove the decal when desired! Todd Sullivan
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Re: [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
I note two of those route cards are for the M&StL and the MILW, indicating this car was traveling in the upper Midwest.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
Brent Greer wrote:
Once could do so, within limits. Most of them have writing too small to reasonably see, but some have a large number or initial on it, and that could be done with decals. After all, we have repack decals with truly small lettering. My personal approach has always been to use plain rectangles of paper, white or manila or other color. I have written a number of blog posts on the topic; if you're interested, there is a link below to a late one in the series, containing links to earlier ones.
The idea here, in my mind, matches Richard Hendrickson's admonition, that in some places on a model there should be SOMETHING there. A tiny white rectangle, where a route card ought to be, satisfies that for me.
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Re: Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car
In the inimitable words of Sherman Potter, that's "Horse Hockey". I can cite hundreds of pieces of evidence that military loads in the use were tied down. That occurs in multiple ways, with multiple means and is demonstrated in the US Army's own technical manuals.
I will confine my further remarks to WWII, where I have the most expertise.
When units moved with their own equipment, which was generally confined to the pre-war and immediate period of 18 months after the start of the war, equipment was blocked with solid pieces of wood and tied down with twisted wire at multiple points, typically
fore and aft, on both sides. Blocks were also positioned to prevent front and back, side to side, and even vertical movement with some vehicles
As the depot system became established, mid 1943, troops rarely traveled with their equipment, with the exception of specialized units such as some engineering units being moved between domestic construction assignments. Blocking started to consist of built
up blocks as the stock of solid timber were requisitioned for other, more important war-time uses. Tie downs often consisted of threaded rod, with turn-buckles for tensioning and retaining plates with nuts at the bottom of flat car stake pockets. In some cases,
where cars were captured for service, I have seen steel plates with eyes on top bolted to flat car decks as the tie down location. I have no evidence that it was eliminated and certainly none that it was done so to facilitate emergency removal.
As a final note, chains and chain binders, were very uncommon tie downs in WWII, unlike today. I theorize that might be due to the free roaming nature of flat cars and the difficulty in getting that gear back to the factory or depot that shipped the vehicle.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:59 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car I received this comment:
"Generally military vehicles were not tied down, to facilitate emergency removal from the rail cars." Can anyone verify or dispute this? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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coil gondola shipping early problems
David
And on another tangent, the third pic seems to show P&WV's 1920s project to rebuild their 1905CD hoppers.
David Thompson
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Making pickles: vinegar and such
David Soderblom
Just to fill in… When traditional cucumber pickles are made, you dump them into a vat in brine. The brine suppresses bad bacteria and having them in a liquid suppressed aerobes, and then there’s a malo-lactic fermentation, with the source being airborne natural
critters, and that is bacterial (as opposed to wine fermentation which uses yeast, but wines also go through malo-lactic fermentations later, sometimes, and that is complex). As part of that, lactic acid is created (plus CO_2, and that makes a foam on top).
Thus pickles and acid. When they are packed/canned/put in bottles, then vinegar is added, partly to preserve. But if you saw a (really) old-fashioned pickle barrel, it didn’t have vinegar added.
And don’t forget the dill, unless, like me, you really like sour spears, and I can’t find them any more. Our taste in the US has distinctly moved to sweeter pickles in my lifetime.
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Re: Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car
Tony Thompson
Doug Harding wrote:
I agree. The 1940s and 50s photos I have, definitely show tie-downs on all kinds of military loads, though chocks seemed to be the main restraint. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car
May be true today, but the various photos I have of military loads show tiedowns. Attached are a couple of examples.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:00 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car
I received this comment:
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Re: Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car
I received this comment:
"Generally military vehicles were not tied down, to facilitate emergency removal from the rail cars." Can anyone verify or dispute this? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Jim Hayes
Somehow this shorty gon looks fascinating to me. I may build one. Jim
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:29 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Steve Salotti
My guess would be (based on Reading Gons) they could be coils produced by Carpenter Steel, located on the Reading main just West of Reading, PA. Drive by there on a somewhat regular basis. Steve Salotti
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Re: [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
Bill Welch
I think little bit of decals would do the trick, white and maybe the nice beige color from L&N F7, GP7, ALCO RS3 and FA2.
However not sure how to make them removable, LOL. Bill Welch
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Re: [Espee] Photos: S.P. Boxcar 84993
Tony Thompson
Brent Greer wrote:
Once could do so, within limits. Most of them have writing too small to reasonably see, but some have a large number or initial on it, and that could be done with decals. After all, we have repack decals with truly small lettering. My personal approach has always been to use plain rectangles of paper, white or manila or other color. I have written a number of blog posts on the topic; if you're interested, there is a link below to a late one in the series, containing links to earlier ones. The idea here, in my mind, matches Richard Hendrickson's admonition, that in some places on a model there should be SOMETHING there. A tiny white rectangle, where a route card ought to be, satisfies that for me. Tony Thompson
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coil gondola shipping early problems
Andy Carlson
A rather simple kit bash from a P2K 52" Greenville gondola. Made in 1953 and came new with roller bearing trucks. Like others mentioned, since this was in direct service on the WP (straying off the WP only to get to Pittsburg CA's steel mill on the Sacramento Northern-a subsidary of the WP). Western Pacific had 29' gondolas made specifically to haul coil steel. The coils were loaded over the trucks only. They were loaded on their sides in cradles. Andy Jackson Santa Fe Springs CA _._,_.
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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Western Pacific had 29' gondolas made specifically to haul coil steel. The coils were loaded over the trucks only. They were loaded on their sides in cradles. Andy Jackson Santa Fe Springs CA
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Re: pickle cars in California (was Re: Heinz plant locations)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Gene and List Members,
I don't know if this is a 'salting station', but
the image linked below proclaims itself to be the PACIFIC VINEGAR & PICKLE
WORKS in Hayward CA. It is served by rail. No pickle cars in sight, but
that does not mean there weren't any ever there!
Claus Schlund
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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Good looking car Eric Fenton
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:47 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: Heinz plant locations
Eric Hansmann
There are a couple sets of vats in that image. There are a host of slightly smaller vats on the right side of the plant. I also see two spurs to the facility. These other vats sit between the two spurs.
There seem to be freight cars sitting on the lower spur to the right near a parking lot.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:35 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heinz plant locations
Heinz (now Heinz North America) still has a facility located along W. 16th Street in Holland Michigan. See the attached Google Earth image. There are still large vinegar vats that are visible in the upper left in the image (sitting in line next to them while waiting to load there can be no doubt what they are). No rails into the plant any more but the roadbed (Pere Marquette/C&O) can be seen curving in from the northeast in the upper right corner of the image.
Last time I was there the plant was shipping out small condiment ("relish") packets in semi-trucks and marine containers - which traveled by RAIL from Chicago. Everyone I dealt with there seemed to have an unpleasant attitude - which might be a consequence of having to work every day in a place with a strong odor of vinegar!
Craig Wilson
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Re: coil gondola shipping early problems
Eric Hansmann
I wonder if these coils are for can stock.
BTW, the Reading gondola has an 8-1937 journal repack stencil. It’s also wearing original lettering applied shortly after the corporate name change from P&R to Reading. This photo inspired the lettering on my F&C Reading gondola. https://i0.wp.com/designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/201705_reading_gm1.jpg
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] coil gondola shipping early problems
Group;
Any insights into what uses these coils would have been for?
Any translation of the writing?
Nice RDG gon, BTW!
Elden Gatwood
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