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Re: C of G 56309

Kenneth Montero
 

Eric,

Before you rush off to create artwork, check out Clover House dry transfer for Central of Georgia ventilator car, # 7188-01-DT-HO.

Here is a link to the website:


The dry transfer design is from 1893, but it may give you a start on what you need, as the left side of the car in the photo has what appears to be the same design as is in the left side of that dry transfer decal.

Ken Montero

On 07/20/2020 11:59 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Great work on a sweet model, Fenton! Thank you for sharing.


I’ve got one in my stash to build but I need to create decal artwork for the as-built lettering. You can see the difference when you zoom in on C of G 57611 captured in this circa 1926 image of the Duke University campus construction.

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260601EC0116


Does anyone know when these C of G ventilated boxcars received the updated lettering displayed on Fenton’s model?



Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN





From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
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Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.



Photo: Heinz Reefer & Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Heinz Reefer & Boxcar

A 1920 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.L128.CP/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: B&LE/P&LE Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: B&LE/P&LE Gondolas

A 1915 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1754.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

One of steel, the other composite.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Santa Fe Boxcar 28582 (Bx-O)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Boxcar 28582 (Bx-O)

A 1911 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A201203.1911.3395/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Too bad there are some obstructions.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Jeeps On Chicago Great Western Flat Car

Allen Cain
 

As a point of pure speculation, the lack of use of chains for tie downs during the war MAY have been due to the shortage of all metals during the war.

We were obsessed with exporting metals during the war to Germany and Japan!

Allen Cain


Re: C of G 56309

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Eric, I've seen this photo of the Duke campus and there are others, one that shows the Southern gon, actually a flat with wood sides and photos of them are very rare.  
I think the C of G paint scheme I have was instituted in the late 1930's but not sure and maybe someone who knows will fill us in.
All the photos I have of these cars have the more modern paint and lettering.
Fenton

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:00 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Great work on a sweet model, Fenton! Thank you for sharing.

 

I’ve got one in my stash to build but I need to create decal artwork for the as-built lettering. You can see the difference when you zoom in on C of G 57611 captured in this circa 1926 image of the Duke University campus construction.

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260601EC0116

 

Does anyone know when these C of G ventilated boxcars received the updated lettering displayed on Fenton’s model?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN



 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:40 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] C of G 56309

 

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.



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Re: C of G 56309

Eric Hansmann
 

Great work on a sweet model, Fenton! Thank you for sharing.

 

I’ve got one in my stash to build but I need to create decal artwork for the as-built lettering. You can see the difference when you zoom in on C of G 57611 captured in this circa 1926 image of the Duke University campus construction.

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260601EC0116

 

Does anyone know when these C of G ventilated boxcars received the updated lettering displayed on Fenton’s model?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN



 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C of G 56309

 

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.


Re: C of G 56309

Rich C
 

Great work Fenton
Rich Christie

On Monday, July 20, 2020, 08:40:06 AM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.


Re: C of G 56309

Steve SANDIFER
 

Beautifully done!

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:40 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] C of G 56309

 

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.


Re: Early "coil car" on the C&O 1954

Scott Kremer
 

Do you have any information as to when coiled steel was first moved in quantity? By coiled steel I mean the type of coils we see today. I could find no information on the internet on the history of the product.

Thanks,

Scott Kremer


WTB Roundhouse Old Time stock car

Steve SANDIFER
 

Athearn produced a version of the Roundhouse Old Time stock car that slipped my notice, and I sure would like to find one for my collection. It is the ATSF version painted for Kraus Livestock Commission. If anyone knows where to find one, I sure would like to get one. 


Early "coil car" on the C&O 1954

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

From the PRRT&HS files. 

 

PRR was looking at other RRs solutions to shipping sheet, coil, and other difficult steel loads, and had discussions with C&O officials about their experimental testing.  I love the reference to “file drawer” partitions.

 

The bundled sheets and coils, were wrapped in “weather-proof” paper, which turned out to be a failure in preventing water getting in a rusting the coils. 

 

PRR also tried tarps and temporary “covers”, since they did not want dedicated “one-way” cars, but all the expedients were fails, too.

 

The explosion of designs came in 1955.

 

More to come,

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: C of G 56309

al_brown03
 

Nice car!

AL B.


Re: C of G 56309

James Brewer
 

Nicely done Fenton!  I have that kit in my stash....somewhere!

Jim Brewer


Re: C of G 56309

Paul Doggett
 

Fenton 

That’s a really nice looking car and well built as well.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 20 Jul 2020, at 14:52, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.

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Re: Seaboard W73046

Bruce Smith
 

Richard,

As has been stated previously in this thread, this is likely a PTC product. Some of the spotting features are:

1) The bolsters. These heave built up trapezoidal bolsters SCREAM Standard Tank Car (STC), but actually derive from the earlier Pennsylvania Tank Car (PTC). Note that high walkway AC&F type 7 cars did have a larger bolster that vaguely resembles the PTC/STC bolster, but there are differences in the construction and contours. 
2) The absence of side/end sills. The AC&F type 7 high walkway cars had both side and end sills between the bolster and the end of the car. The car in the photo has neither.
3) The ladder position. The AC&F ladders are parallel with the end sill. The car in the photo has ladders parallel to the center sill. 

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Richard McQuade via groups.io <richardmcquade@...> wrote:

Looks like the  hi-walkway tank cars found on Westerfield's AC&F disc. The walkways look like they were modified from the originals with the railing placed inboard close to the thank instead of around the outside. The end ladders have been removed but the side ladders are still there. The overall construction of the car including the bands tying the tank to the frame and the underbody looks like the AC&F cars. Funaro and Camerlengo have a kit of the 8000 gallon AC&F hi-walkway tank car. Thanks for posting this. It will be helpful to me when I build my kits.
Richard


C of G 56309

O Fenton Wells
 

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.


Re: Seaboard W73046

Richard McQuade
 

Looks like the  hi-walkway tank cars found on Westerfield's AC&F disc. The walkways look like they were modified from the originals with the railing placed inboard close to the thank instead of around the outside. The end ladders have been removed but the side ladders are still there. The overall construction of the car including the bands tying the tank to the frame and the underbody looks like the AC&F cars. Funaro and Camerlengo have a kit of the 8000 gallon AC&F hi-walkway tank car. Thanks for posting this. It will be helpful to me when I build my kits.
Richard


My Favorite Named Train: #97 "The Florida Perishable

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Anytime Challengers are involved it is a good thing, so maybe that is why the Clinch field’s Train #97 “The Florida Perishable” is my favorite named train. As the schedule shows #97 was assembled on the Charleston & Western Carolina in Augusta, Ga. consisting of refrigerator cars—and depending on the season possibly Ventilated boxcars—originating on the ACL, FEC and SAL, Fruit Growers Express territory of course. Even before and after wartime operating rules, Fruit Growers was notorious for appropriating reefers from other companies so while #97 would have consisted of largely of FGE, WFE, and BRE cars, there likely would have been one or two PFE, SFRD, MDT and ART and other reporting marks mixed in at any time.

From Augusta the C&WC took #97 to Spartanburg, S.C. where the Clinchfield would couple one its Challengers to the train (in later years EMD F-5’s would handle the train). By this time, depending on the growing season, perishable commodities harvested in South Carolina and Georgia would be in the consist and no doubt in the next 12 hours as it proceeded north through North Carolina, Tennessee and into Elkhorn City, Ky. it would be loading seasonal produce from those states.

The C.C.&O. owned three classes of 4-6-6-4 types. E-1 and E-3 were based on Delaware & Hudson designs while the E-2 were secondhand D&RGW locomotives built under the War Production Board to a Union Pacific design. The Rio Grande did not like them and as soon as they could put them up for sale. The Clinchfield snapped them up and promptly shopped them to redraft them with a single stack. More slippery than the E-1 and E-3 classes, the E-2’s nevertheless worked their share of #97 assignments.

As the schedule shows the C&WC and Clinchfield were but a modest part of #97’s transit that would take it over several other lines as the consist began to break up enroute to numerous cities including Toronto.

Bill Welch


Re: Seaboard W73046

Mont Switzer
 

Tony and David Thompson:

The Monon had two cars identical to the SAL water car. They were 8000 gallon cars used for transporting diesel fuel and waste oil. The Monon picked them up on the used market after WWII, but I've not located any more information than that.

Mont Switzer

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Tony Thompson [tony@signaturepress.com]
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David Thompson wrote:

This is one of those tank cars built in the 'Teens with the underframe commonly attributed to Standard Tank Car, but I believe the high-walkway cars were built by Pennsylvania Tank Car before STC started up. This car was probably purchased from GATX sometime in the late '40s or '50s.
This particular high walkway does not look like the kind originally built early in the 20th century. It looks to me more like a homebuilt addition when it was in MW service.

Tony Thompson
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