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Re: C of G 56309

Steve SANDIFER
 

Beautifully done!

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.


Re: Early "coil car" on the C&O 1954

Scott Kremer
 

Do you have any information as to when coiled steel was first moved in quantity? By coiled steel I mean the type of coils we see today. I could find no information on the internet on the history of the product.

Thanks,

Scott Kremer


WTB Roundhouse Old Time stock car

Steve SANDIFER
 

Athearn produced a version of the Roundhouse Old Time stock car that slipped my notice, and I sure would like to find one for my collection. It is the ATSF version painted for Kraus Livestock Commission. If anyone knows where to find one, I sure would like to get one. 


Early "coil car" on the C&O 1954

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

From the PRRT&HS files. 

 

PRR was looking at other RRs solutions to shipping sheet, coil, and other difficult steel loads, and had discussions with C&O officials about their experimental testing.  I love the reference to “file drawer” partitions.

 

The bundled sheets and coils, were wrapped in “weather-proof” paper, which turned out to be a failure in preventing water getting in a rusting the coils. 

 

PRR also tried tarps and temporary “covers”, since they did not want dedicated “one-way” cars, but all the expedients were fails, too.

 

The explosion of designs came in 1955.

 

More to come,

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: C of G 56309

al_brown03
 

Nice car!

AL B.


Re: C of G 56309

James Brewer
 

Nicely done Fenton!  I have that kit in my stash....somewhere!

Jim Brewer


Re: C of G 56309

Paul Doggett
 

Fenton 

That’s a really nice looking car and well built as well.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 20 Jul 2020, at 14:52, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.

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Re: Seaboard W73046

Bruce Smith
 

Richard,

As has been stated previously in this thread, this is likely a PTC product. Some of the spotting features are:

1) The bolsters. These heave built up trapezoidal bolsters SCREAM Standard Tank Car (STC), but actually derive from the earlier Pennsylvania Tank Car (PTC). Note that high walkway AC&F type 7 cars did have a larger bolster that vaguely resembles the PTC/STC bolster, but there are differences in the construction and contours. 
2) The absence of side/end sills. The AC&F type 7 high walkway cars had both side and end sills between the bolster and the end of the car. The car in the photo has neither.
3) The ladder position. The AC&F ladders are parallel with the end sill. The car in the photo has ladders parallel to the center sill. 

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Richard McQuade via groups.io <richardmcquade@...> wrote:

Looks like the  hi-walkway tank cars found on Westerfield's AC&F disc. The walkways look like they were modified from the originals with the railing placed inboard close to the thank instead of around the outside. The end ladders have been removed but the side ladders are still there. The overall construction of the car including the bands tying the tank to the frame and the underbody looks like the AC&F cars. Funaro and Camerlengo have a kit of the 8000 gallon AC&F hi-walkway tank car. Thanks for posting this. It will be helpful to me when I build my kits.
Richard


C of G 56309

O Fenton Wells
 

Just finished this vent boxcar.  It was released by the C of G HS and produced by Jim King.  Excellent kit and fun to build.  Here in Pinehurst the Southern Piedmont Rwy shops have built 2 vent boxcars.


Re: Seaboard W73046

Richard McQuade
 

Looks like the  hi-walkway tank cars found on Westerfield's AC&F disc. The walkways look like they were modified from the originals with the railing placed inboard close to the thank instead of around the outside. The end ladders have been removed but the side ladders are still there. The overall construction of the car including the bands tying the tank to the frame and the underbody looks like the AC&F cars. Funaro and Camerlengo have a kit of the 8000 gallon AC&F hi-walkway tank car. Thanks for posting this. It will be helpful to me when I build my kits.
Richard


My Favorite Named Train: #97 "The Florida Perishable

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Anytime Challengers are involved it is a good thing, so maybe that is why the Clinch field’s Train #97 “The Florida Perishable” is my favorite named train. As the schedule shows #97 was assembled on the Charleston & Western Carolina in Augusta, Ga. consisting of refrigerator cars—and depending on the season possibly Ventilated boxcars—originating on the ACL, FEC and SAL, Fruit Growers Express territory of course. Even before and after wartime operating rules, Fruit Growers was notorious for appropriating reefers from other companies so while #97 would have consisted of largely of FGE, WFE, and BRE cars, there likely would have been one or two PFE, SFRD, MDT and ART and other reporting marks mixed in at any time.

From Augusta the C&WC took #97 to Spartanburg, S.C. where the Clinchfield would couple one its Challengers to the train (in later years EMD F-5’s would handle the train). By this time, depending on the growing season, perishable commodities harvested in South Carolina and Georgia would be in the consist and no doubt in the next 12 hours as it proceeded north through North Carolina, Tennessee and into Elkhorn City, Ky. it would be loading seasonal produce from those states.

The C.C.&O. owned three classes of 4-6-6-4 types. E-1 and E-3 were based on Delaware & Hudson designs while the E-2 were secondhand D&RGW locomotives built under the War Production Board to a Union Pacific design. The Rio Grande did not like them and as soon as they could put them up for sale. The Clinchfield snapped them up and promptly shopped them to redraft them with a single stack. More slippery than the E-1 and E-3 classes, the E-2’s nevertheless worked their share of #97 assignments.

As the schedule shows the C&WC and Clinchfield were but a modest part of #97’s transit that would take it over several other lines as the consist began to break up enroute to numerous cities including Toronto.

Bill Welch


Re: Seaboard W73046

Mont Switzer
 

Tony and David Thompson:

The Monon had two cars identical to the SAL water car. They were 8000 gallon cars used for transporting diesel fuel and waste oil. The Monon picked them up on the used market after WWII, but I've not located any more information than that.

Mont Switzer

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David Thompson wrote:

This is one of those tank cars built in the 'Teens with the underframe commonly attributed to Standard Tank Car, but I believe the high-walkway cars were built by Pennsylvania Tank Car before STC started up. This car was probably purchased from GATX sometime in the late '40s or '50s.
This particular high walkway does not look like the kind originally built early in the 20th century. It looks to me more like a homebuilt addition when it was in MW service.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Pinging Chuck Zeller

Bob Chapman
 

Chuck --

A question re a Flickr boxcar photo attributed to you in a recent post. Please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Bob Chapman


Re: Photo: Tank Car ???? 2002

spsalso
 

Over on the left of the photo, I wonder if they're installing a track scale.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 801026 With Wire Mesh Load

Bruce Smith
 

Well, the year is certainly wrong, unless this G22 class gondola can time travel 😉 Reweigh P205 12-28.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 801026 With Wire Mesh Load
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 801026 With Wire Mesh Load

A circa 1915-1917 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A200102.024.DR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Steel Load On Flatcars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

Really nice end view of an early Southern flatcar. Thanks much for finding this one.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:19 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Steel Load On Flatcars

A 1913 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1235.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Tank Car ???? 2002

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Peerless Tank Line, to become Peerless Transit Line, initials PTLX.  Car 2002 was 8105 gallons in 1919 tariff.  White Rose gasoline and National Light oil advertised.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Photo: Tank Car ???? 2002

A 1911 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A201203.1911.3492/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

I noticed the single rivet course construction, lack of a ladder and lack of a platform at the dome. I'm sure others can comment further.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mopac containers

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’ve not seen any evidence of any intermodal moving on the M-I.  Sorry. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Gondola 8752

Eric Hansmann
 

These cars had shallow hoppers and clamshell doors. This hardware was common on many steel gondolas built in the 1900-1915 years. 

Bob McGlone shared an interesting upgrade on a Bowser GS model on my blog. His model work reflects the prototype appearance of a few thousand Pennsy GS gons that we’re built with shallow hoppers and clamshell doors.  


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Gondola 8752

A 1908 photo from the University of Pittsburgh Digital Archives:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.509.RR/viewer

Bottom discharge design?

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Gondola 8752

David
 

Pretty typical hopper-bottom gondola. This type was fairly common from the 1880s through 1910, but was superseded by self-clearing hoppers and GS gondolas.

David Thompson

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