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Re: Steam Era Spray trains

 

RHBX 303 9/14/1965, Schiller Park, IL - Marty Bernard collection
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129679309@N05/21095460245

Anyone care to elaborate on the origin of this interesting car?
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Steam Era Spray trains

 

A Sept 1950 Maine Central magazine article on weed spraying, including a photo and details about operations:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53a3b0e7e4b0356e962ad8f4/t/5ca3df84104c7b8a2ac415d3/1554243483258/MCEM-1950-09.pdf

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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Steam Era Spray trains

 

I've been somewhat casually fascinated with weed spraying equipment for the last several years, as I have a couple photos showing part of a weed spraying train on the railroad I model (B&O Georgetown Branch, ca 1945-55) and have wanted to model it ever since. It's a back-burner project, but I've uncovered some interesting things along the way. R.H. Bogle was a company based in Alexandria, VA that operated for many years providing contracted services to various railroads of the region and beyond. Essentially they provided the specialized equipment and chemicals and the railroad provided the power. Photos of their equipment on various lines around the country can be found online in the usual places. They continued on into the 80s and 90s (I believe). Eventually renown for pension fraud, unfortunately. They developed their own chemicals too. Look up "Bo-Rid." 
 
THE EVOLUTION OF RAILROAD WEED SPRAY EQUIP, Ralph H. Bogle, Jr.
CHALLENGES OF RAILROAD CONTROL ARE LONG DAYS AND CONSTANT CARE (ca 1979)
https://archive.lib.msu.edu/tic/wetrt/article/1979sep89.pdf

Someone chased the Bogle weed spraying train(s?) on the W&OD in the late 1950s (I think). Photos pop up frequently on FB and elsewhere:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/9e/1c/819e1c143dbc319dfb1534ba368b96d2.jpg
http://www.geocities.ws/purcellvillehistory/railroadstation.htm

RHBX 301 Louisville, KY 1950
RHBX 301 Weed Control Car Etowah, TN in July 1978
RHBX 305 on the EL at Voris Street in Akron, Ohio in early 1972
More RHBX equipment: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsList.aspx?id=RHBX

NALX 110 C&EI, Glover, Illinois, 1959 J. Parker Lamb
https://live.staticflickr.com/1603/24681665921_e7327da954_k.jpg%EF%BB%BF

NALX 118
https://archives.nauer.org/BRHSLIST/2014-01/msg00110.html

At the 5:16 mark in this video you can see one in action at Griffith Crossing near Chicago. 
https://youtu.be/cYTp3dLADyQ?t=316

The GNHS produced two related resin kits at their 2008 and 2009 conventions. You can see info here: https://www.gnrhs.org/sold_out_kits.htm

Here is a link to an assembly DIY of the GN Historic Society X-1853 weed sprayer resin kit, with some add'l info https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/37917

A post here about NALCO weed sprayer & cars https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/52157574

I know that some of the material herein is not within the "steam era," however much of the specialized equipment was used for many years afterwards making it somewhat appropriate. Hoping this gives a bit more insight. I have wondered if there were any comprehensive books or articles written over the years on weed spraying trains, as I find it to be a really interesting aspect of the industry. 

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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

The information attached to this photo gives some very specific information about location, etc. It does not tell us the marque of the truck. I suspect it is an Autocar of about 1930 vintage, but the radiator top raised above the hood isn't quite right based on my books. Otherwise, radiator bars, fender shape, hood louvres and cab are all very close. Any truck mavens out there want to chime in?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:51 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

A 1933 photo from the Hoboken Historical Museum:

https://hoboken.pastperfectonline.com/photo/DCC778E9-2C39-486E-9A83-983218062208

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Good view of the "B" end.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Livestock Cars With Roof Hatches

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Livestock Cars With Roof Hatches

A 1910 photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM24356

The photo shows a string of livestock cars with roof hatches.

The hatches may have been for the loading of bulk commodities or, given the date of the photo, the loading of feed and water into livestock cars of an early design.

Does anyone recognize this particular car design from just the roof hatch detail?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Steam Era Spray trains

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

The Rock Island had a very similar car, 95270.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2020 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steam Era Spray trains

Doug and All-
The image is too dark to see for sure, but is that a six-wheel truck under the close end?
Charlie Vlk


The M&StL converted a gas electric, GE-25, to weed spray duty in the late 50s. They added a control booth in the rear of the body with extra windows, spray arms, etc. The unit towed one or two tankcars. It was destroyed by fire in 1963. North American created a weed sprayer in the late 50s, which ran on several roads in the mid-west.




Re: Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 05:09 PM, Matt Goodman wrote:
The radial lubrication streaking on the left most wheel face caught my eye. Probably from a leak through the rear seal while standing still.
 
Solid bearing journal boxes don't really have seals... the rear opening was closed by a "dust guard" which in the period of this photo would have been wood.. The oil level was maintained below the level of the axle. if the box was over filled, the excess quickly ran out the back. In operation, capillary action brought the oil up into the ball of wool yarn "waste" (short strands of yarn of no use for weaving) where it wetted the exposed bottom of the axle. When the axle turned the oil was drawn in between the axle journal and the journal bearing, and the car actually rode on a film of oil. This was a "total loss" lubrication system, as the oil spread across the journal it came out both the front and back edges of the bearing, which were shoulders that acted as thrust bearings to keep the truck aligned with the wheels. The oil that crept out the back was flung out and ended up on the face of the wheel, which is why there are no rusty wheels during the steam era.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Schleigh Mike
 

Yes, Tim----

C&O 18712, from the second 500 with Superior 6P Sup 1 doors.  Same order from 6-52.  This car re-weighed 7-56.  Black ends, can't be sure about roof.

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 06:05:47 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



With black ends & roof? - I have several later color shots of these and there is no indication
that the ends or roof were black. Has anyone seen photos of them with black roof & ends?



On 7/21/2020 3:52 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:
My dealer just informed me that the Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar painted for as delivered For Progress scheme in 1952 has been released.  This has been a moving target in the Kadee production schedule but good to see it done.

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/5023-ho-scale-chesapeake-ohio-co-18499-rtr-40-ps1-boxcar-p-2023.htm

Curt Fortenberry

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Steam Era Spray trains

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Some of the earliest weed burners were built by the McKean Motor Car Company around 1906, I believe.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Don Burn <burn@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2020 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steam Era Spray trains

On weed burners, I believe they were around before the 1940's.  See https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth174608/ for a patent from the 1800's for a railroad weed burner.  I am trying to find the exact reference but I have a memory of interurban weed burners, that I believe were pre-WWII.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steam Era Spray trains

The M&StL converted a gas electric, GE-25, to weed spray duty in the late 50s. They added a control booth in the rear of the body with extra windows, spray arms, etc. The unit towed one or two tankcars. It was destroyed by fire in 1963. North American created a weed sprayer in the late 50s, which ran on several roads in the mid-west.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4703492
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771461

Fairmont Railway Motor Co (the speeder outfit) made weed sprayers, as well as weed burners and weed mowers. Fairmont purchased a weed mower in 1938, the Rawls Company. Their first weed burner was in the mid 40s, which took on a new duty during nasty winter in Chicago when the burner was used to "de-ice" switches in the yard. Their first weed sprayer was the late 40s. Though the little single piston engine was first developed in 1907 for ag use, including to power orchard sprayers.

I don't believe sprayers came into widespread use until weed killing chemicals known as herbicides were developed. 2, 4-D came about in WWII, and was made available after the war, but it did not kill grasses, just broad leaf plants. The next major development in weed control was atrazine in the mid-50s.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of csxt5555 via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Steam Era Spray trains

Can someone point me to some information on weed spraying trains of the mid 50’s?

Thanks
Kevin










Re: Steam Era Spray trains

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The first link to the Nalco train in Naperville provided some fun for us here as it shows the Loomis Street crossing nearly 60 years ago. The hose and garage visible on the right side are still there!

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steam Era Spray trains

The M&StL converted a gas electric, GE-25, to weed spray duty in the late 50s. They added a control booth in the rear of the body with extra windows, spray arms, etc. The unit towed one or two tankcars. It was destroyed by fire in 1963. North American created a weed sprayer in the late 50s, which ran on several roads in the mid-west.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4703492
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771461

Fairmont Railway Motor Co (the speeder outfit) made weed sprayers, as well as weed burners and weed mowers. Fairmont purchased a weed mower in 1938, the Rawls Company. Their first weed burner was in the mid 40s, which took on a new duty during nasty winter in Chicago when the burner was used to "de-ice" switches in the yard. Their first weed sprayer was the late 40s. Though the little single piston engine was first developed in 1907 for ag use, including to power orchard sprayers.

I don't believe sprayers came into widespread use until weed killing chemicals known as herbicides were developed. 2, 4-D came about in WWII, and was made available after the war, but it did not kill grasses, just broad leaf plants. The next major development in weed control was atrazine in the mid-50s.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of csxt5555 via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Steam Era Spray trains

Can someone point me to some information on weed spraying trains of the mid 50’s?

Thanks
Kevin


Re: Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar

Matt Goodman
 

The radial lubrication streaking on the left most wheel face caught my eye. Probably from a leak through the rear seal while standing still.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

On Jul 21, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar
A circa 1920 Shorpy photo from the National Photo Company Collection:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: A better pin vise

Robert Allan
 

Another vote for Starrett. Good clamp, easy to handle, light to use.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Chuck Cover
 

I wonder how many Kadee PS-1 boxcars every model railroader already owns?  Probably more than is prototypically correct.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Bay Terminal tank cars?

nyc3001 .
 
Edited

While looking through the reporting mark summary and freight train consists of the NYC Toledo-Lake division available on Terry Link's canadasouthern website, it appeared that tank cars carrying the reporting mark BT (Bay Terminal Railroad) were frequent visitors to the Central. Jerry Britton's pennsyrr blog indicated that they had 325 tanks. Does anyone have any info about these cars and how one could be modeled? 

-Phil


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Tim O'Connor
 


With black ends & roof? - I have several later color shots of these and there is no indication
that the ends or roof were black. Has anyone seen photos of them with black roof & ends?



On 7/21/2020 3:52 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:
My dealer just informed me that the Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar painted for as delivered For Progress scheme in 1952 has been released.  This has been a moving target in the Kadee production schedule but good to see it done.

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/5023-ho-scale-chesapeake-ohio-co-18499-rtr-40-ps1-boxcar-p-2023.htm

Curt Fortenberry

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar

A circa 1920 Shorpy photo from the National Photo Company Collection:

https://www.shorpy.com/node/23403

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Milwaukee Road Boxcar With Electric Water Heaters Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Milwaukee Road Boxcar With Electric Water Heaters Load

A circa 1930s photo from the Musser Public Library:

http://www.umvphotoarchive.org/digital/collection/scdpl/id/520/rec/143

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

By the way, I am collecting photos of freight cars with banners for a future presentation so if anyone cares to share a photo(s) with me, please reply off group. Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Rock Island Boxcar With A Load Of Radios

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Rock Island Boxcar With A Load Of Radios

A 1930 photo from the Musser Public Library:

http://www.umvphotoarchive.org/digital/collection/muspl/id/1332/rec/273

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NYC Boxcar 109272

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Boxcar 109272

A 1911 photo from the Musser Public Library:

http://www.umvphotoarchive.org/digital/collection/muspl/id/1404/rec/47

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Good 3/4 view showing the "A" end.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: DL&W Boxcar 51974 With Friendship Train Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: DL&W Boxcar 51974 With Friendship Train Load

A circa 1947 photo from the Hoboken Historical Museum:

https://hoboken.pastperfectonline.com/photo/4F3DFDE0-FD87-45AA-9699-144892125070

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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