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Re: Buster Keaton again

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I find I get a higher resolution copy of the image if I use the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Buster Keaton again

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

Schuyler

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: Buster Keaton again

 

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

 

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

 

Schuyler

 

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

 

I have some of this type as well. I don’t like them as they don’t tighten well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:38 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


I havr several of these.  I'm not sure if it is the same manufacturer.  I don't use them as I seem to have a degree of difficulty tightening down on the drill.  Maybe it's because as my wife says about my Phydical Culture evdevours "  If they are nice shiney and balanced weights and there are young girls watching you can lift them.  When it comes to opening a peanut bottle jar or carrying the groceries up the stairs you are useless".

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 7/22/20 10:14 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

Schuyler,

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432





Ken Montero


On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 



Re: A better pin vise [Starrett]

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:32, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@tt-west.com> wrote:

Here is the Starrett Catalog page... with all their pin vise sizes and model numbers.
Ah, yes - those are the ones chuckable in something larger, like a sensitive press... I had one in my hands once, in a friend's shop[0], while I was working on the chassis of a 3.5" gauge TICH.

[0] well before i had a shop or some decent tools of my own


Buster Keaton again

Schuyler Larrabee
 

https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

 

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

 

Schuyler

 

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I havr several of these.  I'm not sure if it is the same manufacturer.  I don't use them as I seem to have a degree of difficulty tightening down on the drill.  Maybe it's because as my wife says about my Phydical Culture evdevours "  If they are nice shiney and balanced weights and there are young girls watching you can lift them.  When it comes to opening a peanut bottle jar or carrying the groceries up the stairs you are useless".

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 7/22/20 10:14 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

Schuyler,

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432





Ken Montero


On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 



Re: A better pin vise

Kenneth Montero
 

On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 



Re: A better pin vise [Starrett]

Richard Brennan
 

At 01:24 PM 7/21/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes. <snip>
Here is the Starrett Catalog page... with all their pin vise sizes and model numbers.
One document online shows the 166A design dates from at least 1938... No wonder we find them in our fathers' / grandfathers' tool cases!
Starrett even sells PARTS!!!


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: A better pin vise

 

I don’t think $21.00 or so is outrageous for a quality tool you’ll use for many years.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 3:24 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:

 

 

Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.

 

Allen Cain 


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Tim O'Connor
 


Ed Hawkins has assured me the factory paint was black ends & roof -- and here is a 1953 shot that shows
a C&O PS-1 with black ends and black roof! So I guess I am convinced now. :-)

Note the plain galvanized roofs of the Southern and UP box cars. The UP car appears to be a B-50-17 rebuild.



On 7/22/2020 12:44 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

Regarding “smoke”

 

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.

 

Right, C&O management, with the arrival of diesels, decided that they shouldn’t be showing wavy smoke signifying steam power, and simplified it to acknowledge the diesels.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

 

Mike

You did notice that the MODEL and the PROTOTYPE have the same number right - 18499?

You have a picture of 18712?

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.



On 7/21/2020 10:01 PM, Schleigh Mike via groups.io wrote:

Yes, Tim----

 

C&O 18712, from the second 500 with Superior 6P Sup 1 doors.  Same order from 6-52.  This car re-weighed 7-56.  Black ends, can't be sure about roof.

 

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh

 

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 06:05:47 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 


With black ends & roof? - I have several later color shots of these and there is no indication
that the ends or roof were black. Has anyone seen photos of them with black roof & ends?



On 7/21/2020 3:52 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

My dealer just informed me that the Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar painted for as delivered For Progress scheme in 1952 has been released.  This has been a moving target in the Kadee production schedule but good to see it done.

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/5023-ho-scale-chesapeake-ohio-co-18499-rtr-40-ps1-boxcar-p-2023.htm

Curt Fortenberry



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A better pin vise

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It would be helpful if you explained which vise is “that same.”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

I have that same MicroMart pin vice.  It “ain’t zactly” a precision instrument.  Go to Amazon!

Bill Jolitz 


Re: Photo: Rock Island Boxcar With A Load Of Radios

radiodial868
 

In 1930 radio was just getting popular, and the sets from Majestic were mostly the large "high-boy" (consoles), and even the table tops were large and shipped in wood crates, but still, that is a lot of radios for one store!  Goes to show that the team track was probably a town's biggest user and originator of car loads.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Regarding “smoke”

 

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.

 

Right, C&O management, with the arrival of diesels, decided that they shouldn’t be showing wavy smoke signifying steam power, and simplified it to acknowledge the diesels.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

 

Mike

You did notice that the MODEL and the PROTOTYPE have the same number right - 18499?

You have a picture of 18712?

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.



On 7/21/2020 10:01 PM, Schleigh Mike via groups.io wrote:

Yes, Tim----

 

C&O 18712, from the second 500 with Superior 6P Sup 1 doors.  Same order from 6-52.  This car re-weighed 7-56.  Black ends, can't be sure about roof.

 

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh

 

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 06:05:47 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 


With black ends & roof? - I have several later color shots of these and there is no indication
that the ends or roof were black. Has anyone seen photos of them with black roof & ends?



On 7/21/2020 3:52 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

My dealer just informed me that the Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar painted for as delivered For Progress scheme in 1952 has been released.  This has been a moving target in the Kadee production schedule but good to see it done.

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/5023-ho-scale-chesapeake-ohio-co-18499-rtr-40-ps1-boxcar-p-2023.htm

Curt Fortenberry

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A better pin vise

Bill J.
 

I have that same MicroMart pin vice.  It “ain’t zactly” a precision instrument.  Go to Amazon!

Bill Jolitz 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus;

 

We were holding a side discussion on this, and absolutely believe trucks were taken as war booty for use in the U.S. post-WW1.

 

Cheap way of obtaining HD trucks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi List Members,

 

I'll add that the trucks look identical to the ones on this car (see attached image). This is a move of a gun on the PRR thru Altoona PA in Dec 1918. (Note that a lower resolution copy of this same image is also available online at Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04655 )

 

Also, there is a second image of a car, identical to Bethlehem Steel 900, this time with LV reporting marks available online at Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04356 . It is - somewhat surprisingly - in the Hagley PRR Photo Archive and it has a PRR photo archive number ME4356 inscribed upon the negative! There is no question in my mind that  the LV car is the same car as Bethlehem 900.

 

I'm starting to conclude that these trucks were moved and rebuilt/repurposed/resold at least a few times in their lifetime.

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:01 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi Bob, Bruce and List Members,

 

The image Bruce attached, of Bethlehem 900, sure looks a whole lot like this PRR car at the link below...

 

 

And the trucks in the images Bob posted sure look to be a match as well.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Smith

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Fascinating. These trucks are identical to those under Bethlehem Steel 900 in the attached photo. 

 

The PRR flat car(s) carrying "Big Bertha" to the Columbian Exposition were PRR class FG, 5116a, 5116b, 5117a, and 5117b. Class FG could be assembled as either a single car with 4 trucks, 2 span bolsters, and a bridge, or two cars consisting a two trucks and a bridge each. 

 

Clearly, the photo posted by Bob uses the load as the carbody, which was not at all unusual. You can see the pivot points on each car under the load. 

 

Ed - My interpretation of the numbering of the trucks is that the TWO in the photo Bob posted are the trucks for PRR 425483. The bridge has been replaced by the load. There are another two trucks and car body/bridge that would make up 425484

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

I suspected that it was a PRR car….funny that it doesn’t have any reporting marks other than the number, at least that I noticed on the photo.

This may be the “car” used to haul the Krupp Gun barrel to the 1893 Columbian Exposition.  I don’t think I retained any pictures of that car but the European-style “trucks” look familiar.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

The drawbar is that big thing on top with all the writing on it.

A question might be whether the whole assembly (car and load) was ever mixing into a generic train, or was handled individually.  The second photo hints at the latter.  Maybe.

Too, a person might wonder how the subject car was returned empty.  Maybe that gon is carrying the "return drawbar".

The car is listed in my November 1926 ORER as PRR 425483 and 425484 (In the photos, it's 425483 A and B).  Capacity is listed as 150,000 pounds.  It's called a "Flat, Gun and Cable Steel".



Ed

Edward Sutorik









On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 11:37 AM, mel perry wrote:

no drawbar or coupler?

mel perry

 


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

You did notice that the MODEL and the PROTOTYPE have the same number right - 18499?

You have a picture of 18712?

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.



On 7/21/2020 10:01 PM, Schleigh Mike via groups.io wrote:
Yes, Tim----

C&O 18712, from the second 500 with Superior 6P Sup 1 doors.  Same order from 6-52.  This car re-weighed 7-56.  Black ends, can't be sure about roof.

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 06:05:47 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



With black ends & roof? - I have several later color shots of these and there is no indication
that the ends or roof were black. Has anyone seen photos of them with black roof & ends?



On 7/21/2020 3:52 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:
My dealer just informed me that the Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar painted for as delivered For Progress scheme in 1952 has been released.  This has been a moving target in the Kadee production schedule but good to see it done.

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/5023-ho-scale-chesapeake-ohio-co-18499-rtr-40-ps1-boxcar-p-2023.htm

Curt Fortenberry


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: PRR Boxcar 73083

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 73083

A 1914 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A201203.1914.5184/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

PRR 73083 is just to the left of the worker along side of another PRR boxcar.

This is a view of the "B" end that will require photo editing software to bring out the details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Erie Boxcar 108946

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Erie Boxcar 108946

A 1914 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.144274.CP/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

E&PRR gondola 839508 is in the background.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: CP Boxcar 102630

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CP Boxcar 102630

A 1914 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.144275.CP/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NYC Boxcar 227130 & Buster Keaton

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Boxcar 227130 & Buster Keaton

A still photo from the movie "Go West" courtesy of the SilentLocations website:

https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16827

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

7661 - 7680 of 183695