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Re: HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

Nelson Moyer
 

Beautiful model, Steve. Please tell us how you painted and finished it to capture the appearance of the prototype semi-gloss finish.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

 

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Steve nice looking car
Fenton 


On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:46 AM, naptownprr <jhunter@...> wrote:



Nice job, Steve.


Jim Hunter


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved
 
This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


<UTLX 85339 R Lt Weather Lo Res.jpg>
<UTLX 39150 1-dome 10k ICC103W ACF series 39000-39499 blt 1951.jpg>


Re: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

naptownprr
 

Nice job, Steve.


Jim Hunter


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved
 
This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

pennsylvania1954
 

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

spsalso
 

I bought all of them.  So far.

My e-mail has never changed.

I have received nothing regarding Volume 35.


Ed


Edward Sutorik


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Krueger wrote:

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

    Obvious thing to do is to check with Pat Wider or Ed Hawkins.


Tony Thompson




Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I sent him an inquiry.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

 

Ed sent email announcements to those who had purchased previous volumes, but I didn’t get one for this new volume. The previous announcements said if you prepay, shipping was free. Maybe Ed or Pat will clarify the situation for this new Volume soon.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Krueger
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

 

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:

 

Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.

 

This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.

 

  

$75.00


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Nelson Moyer
 

Ed sent email announcements to those who had purchased previous volumes, but I didn’t get one for this new volume. The previous announcements said if you prepay, shipping was free. Maybe Ed or Pat will clarify the situation for this new Volume soon.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Krueger
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

 

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:

 

Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.

 

This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.

 

  

$75.00


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
 

Hello Garth and Sally,

Pretty sure the truck in that photo is a Sterling, although I don't know the specific model.


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 6:45 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

Friends,

The information attached to this photo gives some very specific information about location, etc. It does not tell us the marque of the truck. I suspect it is an Autocar of about 1930 vintage, but the radiator top raised above the hood isn't quite right based on my books. Otherwise, radiator bars, fender shape, hood louvres and cab are all very close. Any truck mavens out there want to chime in?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:51 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592
A 1933 photo from the Hoboken Historical Museum:
Click on the photo to enlarge it.
Good view of the "B" end.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Paul Krueger
 

I saw it at Ron's Books, but I'm sure there will be others selling it.

https://www.ronsbooks.com/RAILWAY-PROTOTYPE-CYCLOPEDIA-VOL-35_p_30444.html

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Richard Townsend
 

I missed it, too, if it was announced here. I do want it. Does anyone have info on ordering it?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 5:29 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:
 
Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.
 
This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.
 
  
$75.00


Re: A better pin vise

spsalso
 

I wonder if the knurling on the little Starrett irritates yer fingers: maybe put some heat shrink on it?  If it doesn't work out, it's easy to remove.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Paul Krueger
 

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:
 
Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.
 
This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.
 
  
$75.00


Re: Buster Keaton again

maynard stowe
 

It might well be, without numbers it's hard to tell. The second car also has hatches but they are flush to the roof; it's the extra hardware that is the clue.  Santa Fe had many thousands of stockcars of several different kinds --single and double deck, and they would only be used a few months a year moving stock. The rest of the time they would need to be employed doing something to get a decent ROI. Similar to the way the souther roads had melon cars that ran as box cars the rest of the year.  
Maynard


Re: Buster Keaton again

Patrick Wade
 

Is the car right behind the tender the same type at the one in the foreground? The roof covers look the same.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA.


On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
I find I get a higher resolution copy of the image if I use the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Buster Keaton again

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

Schuyler

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yep, that 30432 is what I have.  It does hold very small drills and pins very well.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

Schuyler,

 

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432

 

 

 

 

Ken Montero

 

 

On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

 

Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:

 

 

Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.

 

Allen Cain 

 


Re: Buster Keaton again

maynard stowe
 

These are Santa Fe stock cars that are convertible to coke hauling when livestock shipping was not in season.  Santa Fe had thousands of various classes of convertible cars. They are well covered in Stephen Sandifer's recent book on AT&SF Live Stock operations.
Maynard 


Re: Buster Keaton again

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I find I get a higher resolution copy of the image if I use the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Buster Keaton again

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

Schuyler

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: Buster Keaton again

 

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

 

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

 

Schuyler

 

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

 

I have some of this type as well. I don’t like them as they don’t tighten well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:38 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


I havr several of these.  I'm not sure if it is the same manufacturer.  I don't use them as I seem to have a degree of difficulty tightening down on the drill.  Maybe it's because as my wife says about my Phydical Culture evdevours "  If they are nice shiney and balanced weights and there are young girls watching you can lift them.  When it comes to opening a peanut bottle jar or carrying the groceries up the stairs you are useless".

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 7/22/20 10:14 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

Schuyler,

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432





Ken Montero


On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 


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