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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
 

Hello Garth and Sally,

Pretty sure the truck in that photo is a Sterling, although I don't know the specific model.


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 6:45 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

Friends,

The information attached to this photo gives some very specific information about location, etc. It does not tell us the marque of the truck. I suspect it is an Autocar of about 1930 vintage, but the radiator top raised above the hood isn't quite right based on my books. Otherwise, radiator bars, fender shape, hood louvres and cab are all very close. Any truck mavens out there want to chime in?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:51 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592
A 1933 photo from the Hoboken Historical Museum:
Click on the photo to enlarge it.
Good view of the "B" end.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Paul Krueger
 

I saw it at Ron's Books, but I'm sure there will be others selling it.

https://www.ronsbooks.com/RAILWAY-PROTOTYPE-CYCLOPEDIA-VOL-35_p_30444.html

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Richard Townsend
 

I missed it, too, if it was announced here. I do want it. Does anyone have info on ordering it?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 5:29 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:
 
Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.
 
This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.
 
  
$75.00


Re: A better pin vise

spsalso
 

I wonder if the knurling on the little Starrett irritates yer fingers: maybe put some heat shrink on it?  If it doesn't work out, it's easy to remove.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Paul Krueger
 

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:
 
Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.
 
This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.
 
  
$75.00


Re: Buster Keaton again

maynard stowe
 

It might well be, without numbers it's hard to tell. The second car also has hatches but they are flush to the roof; it's the extra hardware that is the clue.  Santa Fe had many thousands of stockcars of several different kinds --single and double deck, and they would only be used a few months a year moving stock. The rest of the time they would need to be employed doing something to get a decent ROI. Similar to the way the souther roads had melon cars that ran as box cars the rest of the year.  
Maynard


Re: Buster Keaton again

Patrick Wade
 

Is the car right behind the tender the same type at the one in the foreground? The roof covers look the same.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA.


On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
I find I get a higher resolution copy of the image if I use the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Buster Keaton again

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

Schuyler

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yep, that 30432 is what I have.  It does hold very small drills and pins very well.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

Schuyler,

 

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432

 

 

 

 

Ken Montero

 

 

On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

 

Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:

 

 

Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.

 

Allen Cain 

 


Re: Buster Keaton again

maynard stowe
 

These are Santa Fe stock cars that are convertible to coke hauling when livestock shipping was not in season.  Santa Fe had thousands of various classes of convertible cars. They are well covered in Stephen Sandifer's recent book on AT&SF Live Stock operations.
Maynard 


Re: Buster Keaton again

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I find I get a higher resolution copy of the image if I use the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Buster Keaton again

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

Schuyler

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: Buster Keaton again

 

Looks like a stock car with overhead bins for silage. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

 

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

 

Schuyler

 

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

 

I have some of this type as well. I don’t like them as they don’t tighten well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:38 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


I havr several of these.  I'm not sure if it is the same manufacturer.  I don't use them as I seem to have a degree of difficulty tightening down on the drill.  Maybe it's because as my wife says about my Phydical Culture evdevours "  If they are nice shiney and balanced weights and there are young girls watching you can lift them.  When it comes to opening a peanut bottle jar or carrying the groceries up the stairs you are useless".

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 7/22/20 10:14 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

Schuyler,

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432





Ken Montero


On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 



Re: A better pin vise [Starrett]

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:32, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@tt-west.com> wrote:

Here is the Starrett Catalog page... with all their pin vise sizes and model numbers.
Ah, yes - those are the ones chuckable in something larger, like a sensitive press... I had one in my hands once, in a friend's shop[0], while I was working on the chassis of a 3.5" gauge TICH.

[0] well before i had a shop or some decent tools of my own


Buster Keaton again

Schuyler Larrabee
 

https://silentlocations.com/2020/07/04/buster-keaton-ghosts-of-go-west/#jp-carousel-16870

 

I find the car in the immediate foreground very interesting.  Longitudinal hatches.  Spitballing here, but could this be a refrigerator car with ice at the top of the car?  Or seeing the stock car behind the locomotive, some sort of feeding arrangement for stock below?

 

Schuyler

 

Found this image by clicking links in Bob Chaparro’s post earlier today.


Re: A better pin vise

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I havr several of these.  I'm not sure if it is the same manufacturer.  I don't use them as I seem to have a degree of difficulty tightening down on the drill.  Maybe it's because as my wife says about my Phydical Culture evdevours "  If they are nice shiney and balanced weights and there are young girls watching you can lift them.  When it comes to opening a peanut bottle jar or carrying the groceries up the stairs you are useless".

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 7/22/20 10:14 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

Schuyler,

Try these sites for Bergeon # 30432





Ken Montero


On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 



Re: A better pin vise

Kenneth Montero
 

On 07/22/2020 11:48 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Son of a gun!  That’s the vise I inherited from my grandfather, a clock maker/designer, who had a very severe case of toolitis.  I have always wondered where he got it, and it’s the on I have on reserve for really delicate drilling with tiny bits.  Normally I use a Bergeron No. 30432, which I don’t find using Google.  Not sure where I bought it, except that it was on-line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise


Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:



Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.


Allen Cain 



Re: A better pin vise [Starrett]

Richard Brennan
 

At 01:24 PM 7/21/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes. <snip>
Here is the Starrett Catalog page... with all their pin vise sizes and model numbers.
One document online shows the 166A design dates from at least 1938... No wonder we find them in our fathers' / grandfathers' tool cases!
Starrett even sells PARTS!!!


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


Re: A better pin vise

 

I don’t think $21.00 or so is outrageous for a quality tool you’ll use for many years.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 3:24 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

Amazon sells the Starrett in two sizes.  Here is the smaller one which holds 60 to 80 and maybe smaller bits with 0-0.040" claimed capacity:

 

 

Not outrageous if you have Prime Membership with free shipping or can combine it with another order.

 

Allen Cain 


Re: Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

Tim O'Connor
 


Ed Hawkins has assured me the factory paint was black ends & roof -- and here is a 1953 shot that shows
a C&O PS-1 with black ends and black roof! So I guess I am convinced now. :-)

Note the plain galvanized roofs of the Southern and UP box cars. The UP car appears to be a B-50-17 rebuild.



On 7/22/2020 12:44 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

Regarding “smoke”

 

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.

 

Right, C&O management, with the arrival of diesels, decided that they shouldn’t be showing wavy smoke signifying steam power, and simplified it to acknowledge the diesels.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar 1952 For Progress livery

 

Mike

You did notice that the MODEL and the PROTOTYPE have the same number right - 18499?

You have a picture of 18712?

I've attached 18917 but it's probably a repaint - the "smoke" on the repaints was simplified compared
to the original design which had "wavy" smoke.



On 7/21/2020 10:01 PM, Schleigh Mike via groups.io wrote:

Yes, Tim----

 

C&O 18712, from the second 500 with Superior 6P Sup 1 doors.  Same order from 6-52.  This car re-weighed 7-56.  Black ends, can't be sure about roof.

 

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh

 

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 06:05:47 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 


With black ends & roof? - I have several later color shots of these and there is no indication
that the ends or roof were black. Has anyone seen photos of them with black roof & ends?



On 7/21/2020 3:52 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

My dealer just informed me that the Kadee C&O PS-1 boxcar painted for as delivered For Progress scheme in 1952 has been released.  This has been a moving target in the Kadee production schedule but good to see it done.

https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/5023-ho-scale-chesapeake-ohio-co-18499-rtr-40-ps1-boxcar-p-2023.htm

Curt Fortenberry



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A better pin vise

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It would be helpful if you explained which vise is “that same.”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A better pin vise

 

I have that same MicroMart pin vice.  It “ain’t zactly” a precision instrument.  Go to Amazon!

Bill Jolitz 

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