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Re: inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail
Steve SANDIFER
A railroad wheel is solid, but with a slight slope so that the outside of the wheel is smaller in circumference than the inside by the flange. A tight corner like this pulls the wheel to the outside of the curve and could cause the outside wheel flange to climb the rail. The guard rail on the inside rail of the curve keeps the wheel from going too far out and derailing.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:29 PM To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail
Hi List Members,
Sometimes when I am looking at images of steam era freight cars on sharp curves, I will see that the inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail.
One example can be seen in the image linked below, both track sections have the guard rail applied against the inside running rail of the curve...
Another example can be seen at the link below...
Can anyone tell me why this is done? I'm going to guess it helps keep the cars on the rails while traversing the curve, but right off the bat, I don't see how that would work.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Claus Schlund
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Re: inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail
mopacfirst
I've seen that in other places. It was probably more common in this era just because there were more industry tracks with very sharp curves.
It stands to reason that the back of the wheel flange would contact this rail, if the truck were to start to fail to follow the curve. This is probably a more effective restraint than the opposite wheel on the opposite rail, which is of course also a restraining lateral force in the same direction as this guardrail is exerting, while the truck is rotating with respect to the body of the car. Ron Merrick
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Re: inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail
Tony Thompson
Claus Schlund wrote: Anoth example can be seen at the link below... This sharp curve into the oil dealer facility looks like something model railroaders would do <grin> -- though most would omit the guard rail. Tony Thompson
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inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Sometimes when I am looking at images of steam era
freight cars on sharp curves, I will see that the inside running rail of the
curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail.
One example can be seen in the image linked below,
both track sections have the guard rail applied against the inside running rail
of the curve...
Anoth example can be seen at the link
below...
Can anyone tell me why this is done? I'm going to
guess it helps keep the cars on the rails while traversing the curve, but right
off the bat, I don't see how that would work.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Claus Schlund
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Re: the freight car on the LEFT side of this image
Richard Townsend
Speculation: some kind of circus car? Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2020 6:11 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] the freight car on the LEFT side of this image Hi List Members,
Can anyone say what the freight car on the LEFT
side of this image is? It appears to carry the reporting marks ARC
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Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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the freight car on the LEFT side of this image
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Can anyone say what the freight car on the LEFT
side of this image is? It appears to carry the reporting marks ARC
5
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: NJI&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #1
Chet
Very nice car Bob. I have always like these cars and figured if I wanted to build one I would use a Branchline 8' door car and sand off the rivets and
replace them with weld seams. Probably would use panel lines. Now I need to look at the bottom of the pile and see if I have a few Front Range cars. The K4 decals also look nice. The WABASH was put on the wrong side of the car so that it would always be seen and not partly covered by an open door. Chet French Dixon, IL
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Intermountain underframes
mopacfirst
I picked up a few of the recent Intermountain 1937 and 1942 40' boxcar recently to round out the fleet. I had built quite a few of the early ones, and I recalled the change in the underframe of the 1942 (10"-6") which had a very thick body bolster so that it (the center of the bolster surrounding the part molded into the body), was now flush with the part molded into the body. In other words, there was no projection into the truck mounting hole. This also put the body 4 to 6 inches too high. At that time, I would cut that part back when I was working on the underframe. I used various methods, but finally discovered that just filing it flat would still allow the trucks to swivel properly, so I didn't bother to try to fill in the space between the underframe body bolster part and the part molded into the body, which takes the truck screw.
Now I find, on these RTR cars, that the same problematic underframe part is used on both. I just tore into a couple of the 10'-0" 1937 cars and discovered that this underframe, with the too-thick bolster, is now used on these cars too. I routinely bust off the coupler pocket on Intermountain cars so that I can install the Kadee 262 coupler pocket and discovered this. Fortunately (?), the paint on this underframe part is about two scale inches thick, so I was able to chisel it off which reduced the height a little, but I'm really disgusted to discover this. Ron Merrick
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we were discussing cotton bales
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Many months back, perhaps a year back, we were
discussing cotton bales.
A nice image of one can be seen at the link
below...
Conveniently, it also has two steam era freight
cars close by in the photo.
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Buster Keaton again
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
The CN 1 ½ door box car like I make with the Accu-rail cars and my own NERS ½ door Add-On kits isn’t bad either. Excuse the shameless plug. Wish I could enlarge and print that photo. Neat style of stock car with wider running boards and feed hatches.
My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Assorted Boxcars (NYC, MC, PRR & Wabash)
Matt Goodman
Duke’s advertising collection is quite good. My town of residence is pretty well covered, though unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of close-up freight car photos like this one.
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Regardless, they are great for contextual details (cars, trolleys, roads, buildings and people) given that the billboard owners were trying to show how busy the location is. Lots of eyeballs! Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio
On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Gary Ray <gerber1926@...> wrote:
Hi Bob, I really appreciate all the photo links you are sharing from the 20’s. I will copy the billboard image from this link. Also will investigate Duke’s billboard site more. Gary Ray Magalia, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: Assorted Boxcars (NYC, MC, PRR & Wabash) A 1921 photo from the Duke University Archives: https://repository.duke.edu/dc/outdooradvertising/XXX0660 Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: NJI&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #1
Tony Thompson
Very nice-looking model, Bob, and quite an advance on what Front Range originally provided!
Tony Thompson
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Re: NJI&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #1
Paul Doggett
Very nicely Done Bob
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Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 23 Jul 2020, at 18:09, Robert Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Assorted Boxcars (NYC, MC, PRR & Wabash)
Gary Ray
Hi Bob, I really appreciate all the photo links you are sharing from the 20’s. I will copy the billboard image from this link. Also will investigate Duke’s billboard site more. Gary Ray Magalia, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: Assorted Boxcars (NYC, MC, PRR & Wabash) A 1921 photo from the Duke University Archives: https://repository.duke.edu/dc/outdooradvertising/XXX0660 Scroll on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: NC&St.L Boxcar 15397 (was 15337)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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My typo error, I meant 15397! Sorry!
CLaus Schlund
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Re: Photo: NC&St.L Boxcar 15397 (was 15337)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Bob and List Members,
Upon inspection of the end reporting marks, I think
this car number is actually 13397, not 15337
Thanks for the great images Bob!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: Rock Island Boxcar With A Load Of Radios
Tony Thompson
Bob Chaparro wrote:
KDKA still exists (or did until quite recently), and was "grandfathered" in the general pattern of Western station call letters beginning with "K" and Eastern ones with "W". Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: Livestock Cars With Roof Hatches
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] NJI&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #1
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Nice car, Bob!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert Chapman
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:38 PM To: STMFC E-List <main@Realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] NJI&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #1
Circa 1990, Front Range offered styrene kits for variations of postwar AAR boxcars with R-3-4 improved dreadnaught ends and diagonal panel roofs, a cache of which I unburied in my pandemic project to drain the stash of long-slumbering styrene kits. One of the variations is a 12-panel welded car with 8-foot doors – a prototype fielded by Wabash subsidiary NJI&I, which acquired two 50-car series in 1/50.
The Front Range carbody is nicely executed, but with add-on parts well below contemporary standards. New parts include a Yarmouth Models US Gypsum runningboard, Kadee 7/7 ladders/bracket grabs/Miner brakewheel, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Front Range’s deep fishbelly sidesill was modified to NJI&I’s more conventional pattern. Decals are from K4, which offers an amazing variety of secondary road choices. No weathering – once in a while we need a fresh car. Interestingly, the prototype lettering is “wrong side”. (Anyone know why?)
For those not already NJI&I modelers (!) – the New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois was a short line created by Singer Sewing Machine to connect its South Bend plant to the Wabash 11 miles south; the roadname comes from the three states hosting Singer plants. Acquired by Wabash in 1926, it was operated as a separate subsidiary. Completing these undecs has added the fun of modeling prototypes that I would never have dreamed of pulling off the shelf at the LHS.
Regards, Bob Chapman
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NJI&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #1
Bob Chapman
Circa 1990, Front Range offered styrene kits for variations of postwar AAR boxcars with R-3-4 improved dreadnaught ends and diagonal panel roofs, a cache of which I unburied in my pandemic project to drain the stash of long-slumbering styrene kits. One of the variations is a 12-panel welded car with 8-foot doors – a prototype fielded by Wabash subsidiary NJI&I, which acquired two 50-car series in 1/50.
The Front Range carbody is nicely executed, but with add-on parts well below contemporary standards. New parts include a Yarmouth Models US Gypsum runningboard, Kadee 7/7 ladders/bracket grabs/Miner brakewheel, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Front Range’s deep fishbelly sidesill was modified to NJI&I’s more conventional pattern. Decals are from K4, which offers an amazing variety of secondary road choices. No weathering – once in a while we need a fresh car. Interestingly, the prototype lettering is “wrong side”. (Anyone know why?)
For those not already NJI&I modelers (!) – the New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois was a short line created by Singer Sewing Machine to connect its South Bend plant to the Wabash 11 miles south; the roadname comes from the three states hosting Singer plants. Acquired by Wabash in 1926, it was operated as a separate subsidiary. Completing these undecs has added the fun of modeling prototypes that I would never have dreamed of pulling off the shelf at the LHS.
Bob Chapman
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