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Re: Monon 3680

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement.
Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo.

With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke?




On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote:
These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo.  IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad.  The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster.  The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke.  Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary.  However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.

Bill Darnaby

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: B&O N-12 Hopper Truck

Tim O'Connor
 


I think TAHOE x06 Buckeye ARA is the closest, except for the spring plank.


On 7/24/2020 10:44 PM, Scott Seders wrote:
I am building a batch of Funaro B&O N-12 hoppers. I know very little about trucks. Can someone recommend a high quality truck that matches the trucks on the car in the attached photo?

Thanks,
D. Scott Seders
Managing Editor
B&O HS - B&O Modeler

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon 3680

william darnaby
 

These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo.  IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad.  The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster.  The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke.  Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary.  However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.

Bill Darnaby

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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photo links (was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant)

Tim O'Connor
 


There are literally hundreds of thousands of freight car photos on Flickr - mostly poorly organized without good
annotations to say what we're looking at - now THERE is a challenge for ya! Research each one, and then post it
here so it becomes part of our "archive".


On 7/24/2020 8:29 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
A two-word Google search returned a site with a list of 6,824 railroad photos…and that only included the “A”s. Would it be more useful for someone to post individual links to each on the STMFC?


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon 3680

Tim O'Connor
 


Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Florida East Coast Lo

Tim O'Connor
 


Pullman Standard 1892 cuft covered hopper built 1957 (lot 8056) series 14001-14075


On 7/24/2020 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Whew! Almost nothing to offer in the letter 'F' department.
Good old FEC pulls through.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Erie flat car

Tim O'Connor
 


ERIE 7220 may be special for some reason - it seems to be in a number group with specialty flat cars.


On 7/24/2020 6:42 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Boy, I am sure glad that my new niche is paying off so well. Again, no need to thank me for this labor of love. A Erie flat car.
-Andy Carlson  Ojai CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I too value Bob's posts, although I delete the vast majority as they are not of interest (out of time frame, lately too early, or cars I'm not contemplating building)  They usually contain enough information that I can rapidly decide whether they are of interest not. In addition, being links, not scanned photos, they do not burden the storage capacity of the list. Since Bob usually reports the data as reported by the archive, it can be incorrect, but that's half the fun!  

Recently, because of the volume, it's felt a little overwhelming. However, rather than shut off the flow, I figured that I could divert it. Now I have an email "rule" that diverts those emails to a separate folder, where I can sit down with a coffee (before noon) or beer (after noon) and peruse them at my leisure. For those of you uninterested at all (on this list??) you can send them directly to trash.

As for scanning those archives, sometimes Bob's posts have led me to archives, but honestly, having a full-time job, I appreciate Bob being my "archive scanner" as I do not have time to scan those archives, and at the same time work, eat, and build models.

I will make one final point. By posting these to the list, Bob creates a record. That record is searchable. Now, if I search for "PRR GRA​" I have an immediate route back to the link (if I haven't already saved it). This is one of the reasons that I frequently respond with the class of the car, if it is not already included in the original post. My search would then catch the response, allowing me to follow the thread to the post. 

Oh, and y'all had enough time to complain, but not CHANGE THE SUBJECT? Seriously?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of erieblt2 <williamfsmith22@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:29 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant
 
I thank Bob for his work, and hope he will continue. His intro is sufficient to have me evaluate what the photo is about, and to decide if I will check it out. We all do get a lot of email and have to make choices. Thanks again Bob for your research. Bill S




Re: B&O 17000

Tim O'Connor
 


:-D:-D:-D



On 7/24/2020 6:25 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Allow me to join onto this upcoming trend. B&O #17000. A mostly steel box car. Please, no need to thank me, I do it for love.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Was Photo: URTX 5365 - Oscar Mayer Reefer / Now: Roof hatches

mopacfirst
 

Now I remember where I saw that diamond plate on the hatches.  The prototype was MDT, and the model was the Sunshine 20.1.  All I had to do was go look at the model in the other room.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

erieblt2
 

I thank Bob for his work, and hope he will continue. His intro is sufficient to have me evaluate what the photo is about, and to decide if I will check it out. We all do get a lot of email and have to make choices. Thanks again Bob for your research. Bill S


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

Bob Chaparro
 

Hi, George -
This group to a large extent is an information sharing group and that is what I am doing.
I receive many, many private messages thanking me for the photo links.
If the information is available I include the year, the railroad and the car type to allow folks to find the link at a later time.
I also include the information so that those not interested can skip the message post.
Does that seem reasonable to you?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


B&O N-12 Hopper Truck

Scott Seders
 

I am building a batch of Funaro B&O N-12 hoppers. I know very little about trucks. Can someone recommend a high quality truck that matches the trucks on the car in the attached photo?

Thanks,
D. Scott Seders
Managing Editor
B&O HS - B&O Modeler


Re: Intermountain underframes

Tony Thompson
 

Actually, Ron, it’s vises.
Tony Thom


On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

I don't know what size trains you are running, or how much force is applied to your freight cars' draft gears, but I have used CA to bond coupler boxes on cars, and that has worked better than using Testor's styrene cement, especially on Intermountain cars.  Another possibility would be to use shorter screws to hold the draft gear boxes to the cars.  If the screws go in the holes snugly, and are just short of the combined thickness of the floor and draft gear box, you should be able to snug them up and they should hold.  I've used similar techniques and rarely have had a problem with things coming loose.

A story.  I used to know a sea kayaker who owned a pickup truck, and he used 3/4" hemp rope to tie his boats onto side stakes in his truck bed.  Just to make sure the rope was tight enough, he would wrap the rope around his waist and then hang off the side of the truck with his full weight, then finish tying the rope.  I watched the $2500 composite sea kayaks, weighing perhaps 60 lbs each, groan and deflect under the strain, and I was sure one would crack eventually.  I typically used 1/4" parachute cord to tie my similar kayaks down, pulled the cord reasonably taught before tying it off, and never had a problem with them coming loose.  There's an analogy in there somewhere ... maybe. 

Todd Sullivan


Re: Intermountain underframes

Jim Hayes
 

If you want to remove the roof. I've had good luck by putting the model in the freezer for a couple of hours. Then any part pops off easily with a #17 Exacto blade.

Jim


CORRECTED COPY Re: [RealSTMFC] NYC offset-side hopper (Sunshine Minikit)

Benjamin Hom
 

Phil asked:
"I missed out on the Sunshine minikit to model a NYC MDT hopper (similar to the USRA design but with offset sides). Does anyone know of a way to model this hopper? I will likely need at least two for my layout."

What scale?  I'm assuming HO since you mentioned Sunshine (AFAIK, their hopper minikits were for the AAR alternate standard offset, not the cars in question), and that the "MDT" hoppers were the 2,050 Lot 479-H, 533-H, 534-H, 535-H, and 539-H 30 ft 6 in IL offset twins built between 1924 and 1928.

These are problematic in HO scale due to the dearth of decent starting points.  The only readily available mass produced offset hoppers with the stepped taper are Athearn quad and MDC triple.  Of these two, the Athearn model (or its AHM, Roco, or Tyco copies) is the better starting point.  It obviously needs to be shortened into a twin, the end supports need to be reworked, and the ladders removed and replaced with grabs.  This is a conversion I need to do as I'll need a few of these as well.

On the other hand, those modeling in S scale have had these hoppers offered by S Helper Service years ago.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC offset-side hopper (Sunshine Minikit)

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Ben,

I think you mean "shortened into a twin", not a quad.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Intermountain underframes

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Ron,

I don't know what size trains you are running, or how much force is applied to your freight cars' draft gears, but I have used CA to bond coupler boxes on cars, and that has worked better than using Testor's styrene cement, especially on Intermountain cars.  Another possibility would be to use shorter screws to hold the draft gear boxes to the cars.  If the screws go in the holes snugly, and are just short of the combined thickness of the floor and draft gear box, you should be able to snug them up and they should hold.  I've used similar techniques and rarely have had a problem with things coming loose.

A story.  I used to know a sea kayaker who owned a pickup truck, and he used 3/4" hemp rope to tie his boats onto side stakes in his truck bed.  Just to make sure the rope was tight enough, he would wrap the rope around his waist and then hang off the side of the truck with his full weight, then finish tying the rope.  I watched the $2500 composite sea kayaks, weighing perhaps 60 lbs each, groan and deflect under the strain, and I was sure one would crack eventually.  I typically used 1/4" parachute cord to tie my similar kayaks down, pulled the cord reasonably taught before tying it off, and never had a problem with them coming loose.  There's an analogy in there somewhere ... maybe. 

Todd Sullivan


Re: Was Photo: URTX 5365 - Oscar Mayer Reefer / Now: Roof hatches

mopacfirst
 

Some HO model, perhaps a Sunshine, did have hatch covers formed of diamond plate, and a photo accompanied it to prove that this was correct.

But I would note that this plate was probably 1/8" thick at best, so it wouldn't be that heavy.  As far as I know, diamond plate, also known as diamond tread plate or checker plate, was and is never very thick.  It's advertised currently as 1/8" and 3/16" thick, and I doubt it could easily be rolled much thicker.

Ron Merrick


Re: NYC offset-side hopper (Sunshine Minikit)

Benjamin Hom
 

Phil asked:
"I missed out on the Sunshine minikit to model a NYC MDT hopper (similar to the USRA design but with offset sides). Does anyone know of a way to model this hopper? I will likely need at least two for my layout."

What scale?  I'm assuming HO since you mentioned Sunshine (AFAIK, their hopper minikits were for the AAR alternate standard offset, not the cars in question), and that the "MDT" hoppers were the 2,050 Lot 479-H, 533-H, 534-H, 535-H, and 539-H 30 ft 6 in IL offset twins built between 1924 and 1928.

These are problematic in HO scale due to the dearth of decent starting points.  The only readily available mass produced offset hoppers with the stepped taper are Athearn quad and MDC triple.  Of these two, the Athearn model (or its AHM, Roco, or Tyco copies) is the better starting point.  It obviously needs to be shortened into a quad, the end supports need to be reworked, and the ladders removed and replaced with grabs.  This is a conversion I need to do as I'll need a few of these as well.

On the other hand, those modeling in S scale have had these hoppers offered by S Helper Service years ago.


Ben Hom

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