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Re: Monon 3639

Mont Switzer
 

Group,

 

This series of gondolas were built by Thrall in 1952.  They were of composite construction because the Monon was still hauling cut and milled limestone throughout the country.  This product required among other things packing, blocking and bracing cars wood floors, ends and sides.  Uncured cut stone damaged easily.

 

By the late 1960's there was little cut stone business left due to various changes in building construction and the intrusion of trucking into the business.  The Monon therefore repurposed these cars as follows:

 

--re-equipped the cars with steel side and end panels for general service

--one car was equipped for piggyback service

--at least 5 cars equipped with coil racks and covers

--the car shown was equipped to handle coke containers

--some cars were equipped with larger containers for handling scrap aluminum

--several cars had their wood sides and ends extended a foot or so and were equipped with diagonal panel roofs becoming covered gons for handling aluminum 

 

Note that the cars when built arrived in the steam era, but the rebuilding's occurred too late.  There were only 100 cars so as you can see the Monon got a lot of mileage out of them in their first and second lives.  This was typical of the Monon; convert what you had to what your customers needed.  Makes for some pretty interesting modeling.

 

Mont Switzer 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Rich C via groups.io [rhcdmc@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Monon 3680

Another shot of those class LG gons



Rich Christie

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 08:37:29 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bill

You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement.
Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo.

With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke?




On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote:
These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo.  IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad.  The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster.  The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke.  Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary.  However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.

Bill Darnaby

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Southern Car & Foundry GATX 2 dome tank car build

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

I am finishing up a build of a SC&F #2001 2 dome tank car (GATX 1638).  On the only prototype photo supplied by SC&F, is difficult to make out the lettering on the car and there are no end photos.  I was hoping that someone could supply a couple of prototype photos to help me with proper decal placement.  Thanks in advance.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

al_brown03
 

Hi Bruce,

You don't drink beer till noon? What kind of brewmaster are you, anyway?

(I like Bob's pictures too, and I too like that they're searchable. I don't understand what the objection is.)

Best,

AL B.


Re: Monon 3680

Rich C
 

Another shot of those class LG gons



Rich Christie

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 08:37:29 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bill

You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement.
Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo.

With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke?




On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote:
These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo.  IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad.  The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster.  The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke.  Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary.  However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.

Bill Darnaby

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Thomas Evans
 

Oooh! - look at those Milwaukee Road (CMStP&P) double-deck stock cars with roof hatches no less.
Explanation of the roof hatches?  Anything put through them couldn't get down to the lower deck.

Tom


Re: Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I'll say that Bob does a seriously AWESOME job of separating the diamonds out from what would otherwise be a major haystack (mixed metaphor, yeah, I know...)
 
He finds stuff I would NEVER stumble across even on my best day of searching.
 
I'd fully support us welcoming his continued work to get us images of - well - STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS! Steam era freight cars is what we are all about, right?
 
To which I still say...
 
ENJOY!
 
Claus Schlund
 
PS: thanks Bruce for updating the subject line!
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 8:47 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

Folks,

I too value Bob's posts, although I delete the vast majority as they are not of interest (out of time frame, lately too early, or cars I'm not contemplating building)  They usually contain enough information that I can rapidly decide whether they are of interest not. In addition, being links, not scanned photos, they do not burden the storage capacity of the list. Since Bob usually reports the data as reported by the archive, it can be incorrect, but that's half the fun!  

Recently, because of the volume, it's felt a little overwhelming. However, rather than shut off the flow, I figured that I could divert it. Now I have an email "rule" that diverts those emails to a separate folder, where I can sit down with a coffee (before noon) or beer (after noon) and peruse them at my leisure. For those of you uninterested at all (on this list??) you can send them directly to trash.

As for scanning those archives, sometimes Bob's posts have led me to archives, but honestly, having a full-time job, I appreciate Bob being my "archive scanner" as I do not have time to scan those archives, and at the same time work, eat, and build models.

I will make one final point. By posting these to the list, Bob creates a record. That record is searchable. Now, if I search for "PRR GRA​" I have an immediate route back to the link (if I haven't already saved it). This is one of the reasons that I frequently respond with the class of the car, if it is not already included in the original post. My search would then catch the response, allowing me to follow the thread to the post. 

Oh, and y'all had enough time to complain, but not CHANGE THE SUBJECT? Seriously?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


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Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:29 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant
 
I thank Bob for his work, and hope he will continue. His intro is sufficient to have me evaluate what the photo is about, and to decide if I will check it out. We all do get a lot of email and have to make choices. Thanks again Bob for your research. Bill S




Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards may want to have a look at this site...
 
 
Good images of the stock yards, some stock cars, handling of sheep and pigs, but the site is real heavy on adversizing.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Monon 3680

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement.
Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo.

With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke?




On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote:
These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo.  IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad.  The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster.  The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke.  Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary.  However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.

Bill Darnaby

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: B&O N-12 Hopper Truck

Tim O'Connor
 


I think TAHOE x06 Buckeye ARA is the closest, except for the spring plank.


On 7/24/2020 10:44 PM, Scott Seders wrote:
I am building a batch of Funaro B&O N-12 hoppers. I know very little about trucks. Can someone recommend a high quality truck that matches the trucks on the car in the attached photo?

Thanks,
D. Scott Seders
Managing Editor
B&O HS - B&O Modeler

_._,_._,_


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon 3680

william darnaby
 

These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo.  IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad.  The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster.  The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke.  Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary.  However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.

Bill Darnaby

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Virus-free. www.avast.com


photo links (was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant)

Tim O'Connor
 


There are literally hundreds of thousands of freight car photos on Flickr - mostly poorly organized without good
annotations to say what we're looking at - now THERE is a challenge for ya! Research each one, and then post it
here so it becomes part of our "archive".


On 7/24/2020 8:29 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
A two-word Google search returned a site with a list of 6,824 railroad photos…and that only included the “A”s. Would it be more useful for someone to post individual links to each on the STMFC?


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon 3680

Tim O'Connor
 


Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load
of 11 bulk material bins.


On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Florida East Coast Lo

Tim O'Connor
 


Pullman Standard 1892 cuft covered hopper built 1957 (lot 8056) series 14001-14075


On 7/24/2020 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Whew! Almost nothing to offer in the letter 'F' department.
Good old FEC pulls through.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Erie flat car

Tim O'Connor
 


ERIE 7220 may be special for some reason - it seems to be in a number group with specialty flat cars.


On 7/24/2020 6:42 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Boy, I am sure glad that my new niche is paying off so well. Again, no need to thank me for this labor of love. A Erie flat car.
-Andy Carlson  Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I too value Bob's posts, although I delete the vast majority as they are not of interest (out of time frame, lately too early, or cars I'm not contemplating building)  They usually contain enough information that I can rapidly decide whether they are of interest not. In addition, being links, not scanned photos, they do not burden the storage capacity of the list. Since Bob usually reports the data as reported by the archive, it can be incorrect, but that's half the fun!  

Recently, because of the volume, it's felt a little overwhelming. However, rather than shut off the flow, I figured that I could divert it. Now I have an email "rule" that diverts those emails to a separate folder, where I can sit down with a coffee (before noon) or beer (after noon) and peruse them at my leisure. For those of you uninterested at all (on this list??) you can send them directly to trash.

As for scanning those archives, sometimes Bob's posts have led me to archives, but honestly, having a full-time job, I appreciate Bob being my "archive scanner" as I do not have time to scan those archives, and at the same time work, eat, and build models.

I will make one final point. By posting these to the list, Bob creates a record. That record is searchable. Now, if I search for "PRR GRA​" I have an immediate route back to the link (if I haven't already saved it). This is one of the reasons that I frequently respond with the class of the car, if it is not already included in the original post. My search would then catch the response, allowing me to follow the thread to the post. 

Oh, and y'all had enough time to complain, but not CHANGE THE SUBJECT? Seriously?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of erieblt2 <williamfsmith22@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:29 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant
 
I thank Bob for his work, and hope he will continue. His intro is sufficient to have me evaluate what the photo is about, and to decide if I will check it out. We all do get a lot of email and have to make choices. Thanks again Bob for your research. Bill S




Re: B&O 17000

Tim O'Connor
 


:-D:-D:-D



On 7/24/2020 6:25 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Allow me to join onto this upcoming trend. B&O #17000. A mostly steel box car. Please, no need to thank me, I do it for love.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Was Photo: URTX 5365 - Oscar Mayer Reefer / Now: Roof hatches

mopacfirst
 

Now I remember where I saw that diamond plate on the hatches.  The prototype was MDT, and the model was the Sunshine 20.1.  All I had to do was go look at the model in the other room.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

erieblt2
 

I thank Bob for his work, and hope he will continue. His intro is sufficient to have me evaluate what the photo is about, and to decide if I will check it out. We all do get a lot of email and have to make choices. Thanks again Bob for your research. Bill S


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant

Bob Chaparro
 

Hi, George -
This group to a large extent is an information sharing group and that is what I am doing.
I receive many, many private messages thanking me for the photo links.
If the information is available I include the year, the railroad and the car type to allow folks to find the link at a later time.
I also include the information so that those not interested can skip the message post.
Does that seem reasonable to you?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


B&O N-12 Hopper Truck

Scott Seders
 

I am building a batch of Funaro B&O N-12 hoppers. I know very little about trucks. Can someone recommend a high quality truck that matches the trucks on the car in the attached photo?

Thanks,
D. Scott Seders
Managing Editor
B&O HS - B&O Modeler