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Re: Photo: Western Union Crew On C&NW Boxcar
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
In 1912 Western Union began a program of reconstructing their lines that lasted until the 1930s. This could be one of the first of the "line forces" that did the work.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
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From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2020 1:59 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Western Union Crew On C&NW Boxcar Photo: Western Union Crew On C&NW Boxcar
A 1912 photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Was Photo: URTX 5365 - Oscar Mayer Reefer / Now: Roof hatches
pennsylvania1954
Two more places you might have seen diamond plate hatches. ART used them. Photos in The Eagle from the MPHS, Winter 2003. See page 9. Also Intermoutain provided them as an option in ART reefers available from Amarillo RR/Missouri Pacific Historical Society.
I just happen to have one nearly finished on my work bench. -- Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL
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Re: B&O 17000
Eric Hansmann
Would this early boxcar have steel or iron sheathing?
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Jul 24, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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Re: Monon 3639
Mont Switzer
Group,
This series of gondolas were built by Thrall in 1952. They were of composite construction because the Monon was still hauling cut and milled limestone throughout the country. This product required among other things packing, blocking and bracing cars wood floors, ends and sides. Uncured cut stone damaged easily.
By the late 1960's there was little cut stone business left due to various changes in building construction and the intrusion of trucking into the business. The Monon therefore repurposed these cars as follows:
--re-equipped the cars with steel side and end panels for general service --one car was equipped for piggyback service --at least 5 cars equipped with coil racks and covers --the car shown was equipped to handle coke containers --some cars were equipped with larger containers for handling scrap aluminum --several cars had their wood sides and ends extended a foot or so and were equipped with diagonal panel roofs becoming covered gons for handling aluminum
Note that the cars when built arrived in the steam era, but the rebuilding's occurred too late. There were only 100 cars so as you can see the Monon got a lot of mileage out of them in their first and second lives. This was typical of the Monon; convert what you had to what your customers needed. Makes for some pretty interesting modeling.
Mont Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Rich C via groups.io [rhcdmc@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:31 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Monon 3680 Another shot of those class LG gons
Rich Christie
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 08:37:29 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Bill
You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement. Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo. With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke? On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote: These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo. IIRC, there is a builders photo
in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad. The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster. The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near
the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke. Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary. However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with
a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.
Bill Darnaby
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@...> wrote:
Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load of 11 bulk material bins. On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote: Baby boomers of my age have a special understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Southern Car & Foundry GATX 2 dome tank car build
Chuck Cover
Group,
I am finishing up a build of a SC&F #2001 2 dome tank car (GATX 1638). On the only prototype photo supplied by SC&F, is difficult to make out the lettering on the car and there are no end photos. I was hoping that someone could supply a couple of prototype photos to help me with proper decal placement. Thanks in advance.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant
al_brown03
Hi Bruce,
You don't drink beer till noon? What kind of brewmaster are you, anyway? (I like Bob's pictures too, and I too like that they're searchable. I don't understand what the objection is.) Best, AL B.
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Re: Monon 3680
Rich C
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On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 08:37:29 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Bill
You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement. Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo. With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke? On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote: These cars were built as gons by Thrall in
1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by
steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo. IIRC,
there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a
Thrall ad. The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall
at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the
ugliest caboose on the roster. The Indianapolis gas company
had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big
4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the
by-product of coke. Some of these cars, as well as some 40'
cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around
Gary. However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in
Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east.
Bill Darnaby
On Saturday,
July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@...> wrote:
Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load of 11 bulk material bins. On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote: Baby boomers of my age have a special
understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is
the Monon with their funky gondola. Half way
there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards
Oooh! - look at those Milwaukee Road (CMStP&P) double-deck stock cars with roof hatches no less.
Explanation of the roof hatches? Anything put through them couldn't get down to the lower deck. Tom
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Re: Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi List Members,
I'll say that Bob does a seriously AWESOME job of
separating the diamonds out from what would otherwise be a major haystack (mixed
metaphor, yeah, I know...)
He finds stuff I would NEVER stumble across even on
my best day of searching.
I'd fully support us welcoming his continued work
to get us images of - well - STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS! Steam era freight cars is
what we are all about, right?
To which I still say...
ENJOY!
Claus Schlund
PS: thanks Bruce for
updating the subject line!
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Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Those interested in stock cars and their associated
stock yards may want to have a look at this site...
Good images of the stock yards, some stock cars,
handling of sheep and pigs, but the site is real heavy on
adversizing.
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Monon 3680
Bill You are right, the builder photo is on page 173 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyclopedia, in a Thrall advertisement. Some of these cars remained as built for a long time, as seen in this 1971 photo. With such LOW SIDES - you're saying they were built for coke?
On 7/25/2020 9:13 AM, william darnaby wrote:
--
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
 THRALL-1953 series-35000-35059 fresh-paint 1971.ebay.(mrslides).jpg)
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Re: B&O N-12 Hopper Truck
I think TAHOE x06 Buckeye ARA is the closest, except for the spring plank.
On 7/24/2020 10:44 PM, Scott Seders wrote:
I am building a batch of Funaro B&O N-12 hoppers. I know very little about trucks. Can someone recommend a high quality truck that matches the trucks on the car in the attached photo? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Monon 3680
william darnaby
These cars were built as gons by Thrall in 1952 and, except for the covers and wood sides replaced by steel, looked pretty much as you see it in the photo. IIRC, there is a builders photo in the '53 Cyc, perhaps in a Thrall ad. The Monon also got a one off caboose from Thrall at the same time that is known by Monon modelers as the ugliest caboose on the roster. The Indianapolis gas company had a gas production facility on the east side near the Big 4 main to Cincinnati that made gas by coking coal with the by-product of coke. Some of these cars, as well as some 40' cars, were converted to haul coke mainly to the mills around Gary. However, I have seen a video of a train on the NYC in Ohio with a coke car returning empty to Indy from the east. Bill Darnaby
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 07:59:17 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load of 11 bulk material bins. On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote: Baby boomers of my age have a special
understanding of the letter 'M'. My selection is the Monon
with their funky gondola. Half way there!
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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photo links (was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant)
There are literally hundreds of thousands of freight car photos on Flickr - mostly poorly organized without good annotations to say what we're looking at - now THERE is a challenge for ya! Research each one, and then post it here so it becomes part of our "archive".
On 7/24/2020 8:29 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
A two-word Google search returned a site with a list of 6,824 railroad photos…and that only included the “A”s. Would it be more useful for someone to post individual links to each on the STMFC? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Monon 3680
Some of these rebuilt flat cars were classified as LO (!!) at some point and carried a load of 11 bulk material bins.
On 7/24/2020 7:16 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Florida East Coast Lo
Pullman Standard 1892 cuft covered hopper built 1957 (lot 8056) series 14001-14075
On 7/24/2020 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Erie flat car
ERIE 7220 may be special for some reason - it seems to be in a number group with specialty flat cars.
On 7/24/2020 6:42 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Posting photo links was Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant
Folks,
I too value Bob's posts, although I delete the vast majority as they are not of interest (out of time frame, lately too early, or cars I'm not contemplating building) They usually
contain enough information that I can rapidly decide whether they are of interest not.
In addition, being links, not scanned photos, they do not burden the storage capacity of the list. Since Bob usually reports the data as reported by the archive, it can be incorrect, but that's half the fun!
Recently, because of the volume, it's felt a little overwhelming. However, rather than shut off the flow, I figured that I could divert it. Now I have an email "rule" that diverts
those emails to a separate folder, where I can sit down with a coffee (before noon) or beer (after noon) and peruse them at my leisure. For those of you uninterested at all (on this list??) you can send them directly to trash.
As for scanning those archives, sometimes Bob's posts have led me to archives, but honestly, having a full-time job, I appreciate Bob being my "archive scanner" as I do not have time
to scan those archives, and at the same time work, eat, and build models.
I will make one final point. By posting these to the list, Bob creates a record. That record is searchable. Now, if I search for "PRR GRA"
I have an immediate route back to the link (if I haven't already saved it). This is one of the reasons that I frequently respond with the class of the car, if it is not already included in the original post. My search would then catch the response, allowing
me to follow the thread to the post.
Oh, and y'all had enough time to complain, but not CHANGE THE SUBJECT? Seriously?
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of erieblt2 <williamfsmith22@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:29 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Cars At National Zinc Separating Company Plant I thank Bob for his work, and hope he will continue. His intro is sufficient to have me evaluate what the photo is about, and to decide if I will check it out. We all do get a lot of email and have to make choices. Thanks again Bob for
your research. Bill S
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Re: B&O 17000
:-D:-D:-D
On 7/24/2020 6:25 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Was Photo: URTX 5365 - Oscar Mayer Reefer / Now: Roof hatches
mopacfirst
Now I remember where I saw that diamond plate on the hatches. The prototype was MDT, and the model was the Sunshine 20.1. All I had to do was go look at the model in the other room.
Ron Merrick
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