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Re: HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

Iain Kirk
 

Now that is a nice looking beastie...

Iain Kirk,
Padgate,
Warrington.

On 23 Jul 2020, at 05:09, pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...> wrote:

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



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Iain Kirk 
Padgate 
Cheshire 


Re: Steam Era Spray trains

Brian Shumaker
 

Oh, I gotta build me one of those NALX trains! Anyone have a side view?
Brian


Re: B&M covered hopper 5599 / KCEX #119

Donald B. Valentine
 

     Nor is there any listing back as far as July 1947.  Something might

be off in Tim’s notes.

 

My best, Don Valentine

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: SLSX stock cars and NISX confirmation

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Peter,

It’s not a former Mather car. The structural members are too heavy. Mather didn’t use traditional Railroad shapes when it came to building their cars. And it doesn’t have the Mather Patented roof which had a 6” Overhang.  

I attached a  Mather single deck Stock car photo of car NIX Number 479  taken after 1959.

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SLSX stock cars and NISX confirmation

 

Hi Doug,

 

Thanks very much. Attached my photo of SLSX 71548, which I am fairly certain is double deck with only two doors.  Is it possible the 71000-series contained both 2- and 4-door versions? Is it possible to identify if this is a Mather stock car?

 

The photo I have of NISX 3132 is undated, but definitely a 40-foot car and painted green.  Unlike the reporting marks, the letterboard on the car side seems to read “NTX” or ”NITX” with some small lettering underneath. From previous STMFC messages, it would appear green cars were leased to NYC.

 

I don’t know much about stock cars, and maybe the answer to this is in the archives; While Mathers (later North American) leased the cars, I believe many were painted in the lessee scheme? So, if there are no NISX reporting marks in say, a 1960 ORER (which would list many cars rostered in 1959) how would I go about learning the predecessor lessee of NISX cars? What I am trying to resolve: if NISX 3132 is not appropriate for 1959, who was it leased to and what were the reporting marks and number (or number series) before it was assigned as NISX 3132?

 

Stay healthy,

Peter


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Re: Image of CP 238149 40ft ss box 1952 Lowell IN

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I imagine it took the owners of the gas stations to the left a good long while to stop hyperventilating!

Could have been a bonfire!

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of CP 238149 40ft ss box 1952 Lowell IN

 

This wreck was on the Monon just south of the railroad's northern terminus, South Hammond, IN.  Among the damage is the remains of the Lowell station.  They had to build a new one.  

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) [claus@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 9:13 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Image of CP 238149 40ft ss box 1952 Lowell IN

Hi List Members,

 

Image of CP 238149 40ft ss box 1952 Lowell IN

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


 


Re: Intermountain underframes

mopacfirst
 

So it appears that the answer to my direct question is no, nobody had been able to get separate Apex-type roofwalks from IM.  I rate them as more durable than Kadee, only because the Kadee (at least the older ones) suffer from a disease where they curl up at the ends.  I've mixed and matched many roofwalks over the years, with the exception that for wood roofwalks, I've preferred the molded plastic ones rather than real wood.  Using Tru-Color colors Weathered Gray Wood and Seasoned Brown Wood, I've developed a technique for painting and dry-brushing these so they look weathered.

Side comment:  I got a PFE R-40-10 the other day, probably an old stock or used, and it had a wood-appearing roofwalk that was actually metal.  Never saw that before.  Of course, it was detached and bowed in the middle so I'll probably replace it with a plastic one.

I think I have picked up one or two of the Kadee Gypsum expanded metal ones, so at my first opportunity I'll install one of those.  I do have several of the IM molded plastic ones on various cars, not always on the car bodies they came with, and I suspect the Kadee ones will look better.

Ron Merrick


Re: Recent painting experiences

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Pete,
Thanks for the tip. I'll check tose out, next stroll to the North Side. 
BTW are you related to John, Bill, Edward and Frank Cesaro? I grew up with them.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:37:01 AM CDT, Pete C <sp4450@...> wrote:


Rob, 
  Golden is well known and very high quality brand.  For their acrylics they have a hardener that helps it bond to non-porous surfaces like plastic and resin.  It’s called GAC 200, here’s a link if you’re interested in looking into it. https://www.goldenpaints.com/products/medium-gels-pastes/special-purpose-mediums

Pete Cesaro 

On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rob & Bev Manley <robev1630@...> wrote:


Eric,
Thanks for the tip on "airbrush ready" Valejo. I may have to give it a try. I am currently using a sprayable Acrylic from the Art store. The price is much lower and larger quantities. Golden Acrylic is the brand name. I am using a (Burnt?) Sienna that I like for color and performance. I add a few drops of Flo Aide to this. It has a semi matte finish which is compatible with my Future/Pledge gloss coat. I am running low on Model Master Flat and have been working with Windsor Newton Galleria Matte Varnish. Like Future/Pledge, I use no thinner. It's in a big 8oz. bottle and about $8.00. I ordered it online from Blick (art store). They have stores in the Chicagoland area and Galesburg. Just what a Burlington Man likes. 
    My pre-prep consists of a wash in Dawn ,rinse and wash with SHOUT, more Dawn and sometimes Barkeepers Friend. I have yet to use a primer. I'll be looking into that. The Styleneze from Tamiya is what the military modelers use. 
    On the occasional goof, I have a sink next to me and I spray it down with SHOUT and scrub. 

Sincerely,
Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 08:56:30 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


I share a couple of paint failures on my latest blog post. Don't worry, they turned out well at the end.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Recent painting experiences

Pete C
 

Rob, 
  Golden is well known and very high quality brand.  For their acrylics they have a hardener that helps it bond to non-porous surfaces like plastic and resin.  It’s called GAC 200, here’s a link if you’re interested in looking into it. https://www.goldenpaints.com/products/medium-gels-pastes/special-purpose-mediums

Pete Cesaro 

On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rob & Bev Manley <robev1630@...> wrote:


Eric,
Thanks for the tip on "airbrush ready" Valejo. I may have to give it a try. I am currently using a sprayable Acrylic from the Art store. The price is much lower and larger quantities. Golden Acrylic is the brand name. I am using a (Burnt?) Sienna that I like for color and performance. I add a few drops of Flo Aide to this. It has a semi matte finish which is compatible with my Future/Pledge gloss coat. I am running low on Model Master Flat and have been working with Windsor Newton Galleria Matte Varnish. Like Future/Pledge, I use no thinner. It's in a big 8oz. bottle and about $8.00. I ordered it online from Blick (art store). They have stores in the Chicagoland area and Galesburg. Just what a Burlington Man likes. 
    My pre-prep consists of a wash in Dawn ,rinse and wash with SHOUT, more Dawn and sometimes Barkeepers Friend. I have yet to use a primer. I'll be looking into that. The Styleneze from Tamiya is what the military modelers use. 
    On the occasional goof, I have a sink next to me and I spray it down with SHOUT and scrub. 

Sincerely,
Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 08:56:30 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


I share a couple of paint failures on my latest blog post. Don't worry, they turned out well at the end.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Recent painting experiences

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Eric,
Thanks for the tip on "airbrush ready" Valejo. I may have to give it a try. I am currently using a sprayable Acrylic from the Art store. The price is much lower and larger quantities. Golden Acrylic is the brand name. I am using a (Burnt?) Sienna that I like for color and performance. I add a few drops of Flo Aide to this. It has a semi matte finish which is compatible with my Future/Pledge gloss coat. I am running low on Model Master Flat and have been working with Windsor Newton Galleria Matte Varnish. Like Future/Pledge, I use no thinner. It's in a big 8oz. bottle and about $8.00. I ordered it online from Blick (art store). They have stores in the Chicagoland area and Galesburg. Just what a Burlington Man likes. 
    My pre-prep consists of a wash in Dawn ,rinse and wash with SHOUT, more Dawn and sometimes Barkeepers Friend. I have yet to use a primer. I'll be looking into that. The Styleneze from Tamiya is what the military modelers use. 
    On the occasional goof, I have a sink next to me and I spray it down with SHOUT and scrub. 

Sincerely,
Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 08:56:30 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


I share a couple of paint failures on my latest blog post. Don't worry, they turned out well at the end.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Image of P&LE shops with view of 52'6" gons with floors removed

John Drake
 

Thanks for sharing John.  Wonderful photos!  The whole series of photos you shared are real gems for a P&LE fan.  Those shots of McKees Rocks yard from that era are very unique.  They were taken soon after John Barringer assumed the presidency of the P&LE in 1956.  The presence of the new looking DSI built 70 ton 14 panel ribside hopper shown in one of the photos would indicate sometime around 1957 -58.  Someone who has knowledge of that shop fire, which many of the photos show the aftermath, would be able to place a more exact date.  

John Drake


Recent painting experiences

Eric Hansmann
 

I share a couple of paint failures on my latest blog post. Don't worry, they turned out well at the end.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Paul Doggett
 

Sorry that should have been Bruce not Bill
Doh 
Paul Doggett 

On 27 Jul 2020, at 12:09, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Bill 
I used the C&EI I have also used bits of them to make up other sets they are good.
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Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

On 27 Jul 2020, at 01:31, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

I am curious how or if anyone has used the Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Set. Ted recently re-released this huge decal set to support the Hindsight 2020 series and I was fast enough to get one before they sold out.  I am curious if anyone is willing to share their efforts to use these decals.  As primarily a B&O modeler I have access to photos of the W-2 and W-2A hoppers so I will start there and share my research and progress. I don’t have a collection of photos of the many of the other cars, so I would be very interested to see what others have done.  Looking forward to seeing other’s models. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 
I used the C&EI I have also used bits of them to make up other sets they are good.


Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

On 27 Jul 2020, at 01:31, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

I am curious how or if anyone has used the Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Set. Ted recently re-released this huge decal set to support the Hindsight 2020 series and I was fast enough to get one before they sold out.  I am curious if anyone is willing to share their efforts to use these decals.  As primarily a B&O modeler I have access to photos of the W-2 and W-2A hoppers so I will start there and share my research and progress. I don’t have a collection of photos of the many of the other cars, so I would be very interested to see what others have done.  Looking forward to seeing other’s models. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Bill Welch
 

Photos of prototype cars are included with the decals. So far i have decaled an F&C MP panel side gondola, and Westy ATSF Bx-11 and Bx-12 using this set. Getting ready to decal F&C GN truss rod boxcar with this set.

Bill Welch


Re: Image of P&LE shops with view of 52'6" gons with floors removed

mel perry
 

looking at all the boxcars, with no doors,
i'd say this was some type of overhaul
or rebuild program
mel perry

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:55 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
    Nice photo, John. I would think both the string of gondolas, and the one box car, are getting new floors, possibly as a routine maintenance matter, possibly upgrades. This was periodically done by most railroads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Image of P&LE shops with view of 52'6" gons with floors removed

Tony Thompson
 

    Nice photo, John. I would think both the string of gondolas, and the one box car, are getting new floors, possibly as a routine maintenance matter, possibly upgrades. This was periodically done by most railroads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Douglas Harding
 

Good work Tom. Palace and Stable are certainly names affiliated with stockcars. The Arms Palace company being a builder.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

I looked up #8327 in various on-line OREG/ORER's and found:

This series was not there in 1891
In series 8267-~8999 listed as "Palace" with no indication that they were double-deck in 1893-1894-1895
In sub-series 8267-8681 listed as double-deck as part of series 8267-8965 listed as "Stable" in 1897-1905.
1909-1911 are similar designated class R
class SB in 1913, but after 1905 it doesn't really differentiate between single & double deck cars.
Then I got tired of looking!

My take-away here is that these double-deck cars with roof hatches were built as single-deck Palace cars with roof hatched for feeding etc in about 1892.
Some time around 1896 they became "stable" cars, feeding was discontinued, some were rebuilt as double-deck cars, but the roof hatches were not removed.
They then lasted into the teens.

What do any of you think? - Tom E.


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Thomas Evans
 

I looked up #8327 in various on-line OREG/ORER's and found:

This series was not there in 1891
In series 8267-~8999 listed as "Palace" with no indication that they were double-deck in 1893-1894-1895
In sub-series 8267-8681 listed as double-deck as part of series 8267-8965 listed as "Stable" in 1897-1905.
1909-1911 are similar designated class R
class SB in 1913, but after 1905 it doesn't really differentiate between single & double deck cars.
Then I got tired of looking!

My take-away here is that these double-deck cars with roof hatches were built as single-deck Palace cars with roof hatched for feeding etc in about 1892.
Some time around 1896 they became "stable" cars, feeding was discontinued, some were rebuilt as double-deck cars, but the roof hatches were not removed.
They then lasted into the teens.

What do any of you think? - Tom E.


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Douglas Harding
 

They are early CMSTP stockcars, perhaps as early as the 1880s. See attached photo taken at Murdo SD shows car with roof hatches. And a photo of double deck car 8327, the caption mentions the cars have roof hatches. It’s possible the second deck was removeable, some cars were built that way, where the floor came out in sections. Convertible cars had the second deck supported with cables or chains so it could be raised to roof creating. These MILW cars do not.

 

Prior to 1906 many companies and railroads designed features in stockcars with intentions to feed animals while in transit, ie the common roof hatches. It didn’t work. The 1906 28 hr law was created to feed and rest livestock outside the car because the 1874 law was ineffective in preventing animal injuries and death while in transit. The 1906 was a beefed up version that had teeth, no longer were animals feed in transit.

 

The Santa Fe built stockcars with dual purpose, the roof hatches used to load coal or coke for return loads and off season use.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

I don’t KNOW that this is the answer. This is a very early photo, probably 1900. Note the cars have no corner posts and the trusses are stuck in pockets like those on a flat car. Some of the early cars had an upper deck that could be removed or manually lowed by human beings by removing cross bracing. IF that was the case with these, they could be used for backhaul of coal or coke. Santa Fe cars with roof hatches were regularly used for coal, coke, and sugar beets, however none of those were double deck.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

Livestock Car With Roof Hatches

The first photo on the link is (to me) very interesting as it raises several questions:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/union-stock-yards-fbd57413-559b-4587-9245-93f1c9ffec5-resize-750.jpeg

My take on the hatches is that for these particular cars the hatches were for feeding and watering the stock. But there seem to be a problem.

These are double deck cars so unless there was a way to retract the upper level the hatches would not allow feeding and watering for the lower level, or the loading of bulk commodities for non-livestock transport.

Does anyone know more about these particular cars?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Crane Components On C&NW Flat Car (Undated)

Jack Mullen
 

Nice find, Bob. Thanks.
I can't quite make out the number either. I wish the Wisconsin folks had higher rez images online, but beggars can't be choosers. I can make out a 5 to the left of the stake, and either 133 or 433 to the right. However, I can cheat a bit. This is one of C&NW's early steel 41' fishbelly flats, identifiable by the shallow fishbelly (compare to the next car), and 11 stake pockets. So the possible number series are:
53201-53799 odd, AC&F 1910 and
54001-54799 odd, SSC 1912.
The car to the right might be one of C&NW's 42' USRA style flats, but a number of other roads has similar cars.
The load appears to be components of an overhead crane, judging by the form of the cab.

Jack Mullen