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Recent painting experiences

Eric Hansmann
 

I share a couple of paint failures on my latest blog post. Don't worry, they turned out well at the end.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Paul Doggett
 

Sorry that should have been Bruce not Bill
Doh 
Paul Doggett 

On 27 Jul 2020, at 12:09, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Bill 
I used the C&EI I have also used bits of them to make up other sets they are good.
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Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

On 27 Jul 2020, at 01:31, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

I am curious how or if anyone has used the Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Set. Ted recently re-released this huge decal set to support the Hindsight 2020 series and I was fast enough to get one before they sold out.  I am curious if anyone is willing to share their efforts to use these decals.  As primarily a B&O modeler I have access to photos of the W-2 and W-2A hoppers so I will start there and share my research and progress. I don’t have a collection of photos of the many of the other cars, so I would be very interested to see what others have done.  Looking forward to seeing other’s models. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 
I used the C&EI I have also used bits of them to make up other sets they are good.


Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

On 27 Jul 2020, at 01:31, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

I am curious how or if anyone has used the Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Set. Ted recently re-released this huge decal set to support the Hindsight 2020 series and I was fast enough to get one before they sold out.  I am curious if anyone is willing to share their efforts to use these decals.  As primarily a B&O modeler I have access to photos of the W-2 and W-2A hoppers so I will start there and share my research and progress. I don’t have a collection of photos of the many of the other cars, so I would be very interested to see what others have done.  Looking forward to seeing other’s models. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Bill Welch
 

Photos of prototype cars are included with the decals. So far i have decaled an F&C MP panel side gondola, and Westy ATSF Bx-11 and Bx-12 using this set. Getting ready to decal F&C GN truss rod boxcar with this set.

Bill Welch


Re: Image of P&LE shops with view of 52'6" gons with floors removed

mel perry
 

looking at all the boxcars, with no doors,
i'd say this was some type of overhaul
or rebuild program
mel perry

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:55 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
    Nice photo, John. I would think both the string of gondolas, and the one box car, are getting new floors, possibly as a routine maintenance matter, possibly upgrades. This was periodically done by most railroads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Image of P&LE shops with view of 52'6" gons with floors removed

Tony Thompson
 

    Nice photo, John. I would think both the string of gondolas, and the one box car, are getting new floors, possibly as a routine maintenance matter, possibly upgrades. This was periodically done by most railroads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Douglas Harding
 

Good work Tom. Palace and Stable are certainly names affiliated with stockcars. The Arms Palace company being a builder.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

I looked up #8327 in various on-line OREG/ORER's and found:

This series was not there in 1891
In series 8267-~8999 listed as "Palace" with no indication that they were double-deck in 1893-1894-1895
In sub-series 8267-8681 listed as double-deck as part of series 8267-8965 listed as "Stable" in 1897-1905.
1909-1911 are similar designated class R
class SB in 1913, but after 1905 it doesn't really differentiate between single & double deck cars.
Then I got tired of looking!

My take-away here is that these double-deck cars with roof hatches were built as single-deck Palace cars with roof hatched for feeding etc in about 1892.
Some time around 1896 they became "stable" cars, feeding was discontinued, some were rebuilt as double-deck cars, but the roof hatches were not removed.
They then lasted into the teens.

What do any of you think? - Tom E.


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Thomas Evans
 

I looked up #8327 in various on-line OREG/ORER's and found:

This series was not there in 1891
In series 8267-~8999 listed as "Palace" with no indication that they were double-deck in 1893-1894-1895
In sub-series 8267-8681 listed as double-deck as part of series 8267-8965 listed as "Stable" in 1897-1905.
1909-1911 are similar designated class R
class SB in 1913, but after 1905 it doesn't really differentiate between single & double deck cars.
Then I got tired of looking!

My take-away here is that these double-deck cars with roof hatches were built as single-deck Palace cars with roof hatched for feeding etc in about 1892.
Some time around 1896 they became "stable" cars, feeding was discontinued, some were rebuilt as double-deck cars, but the roof hatches were not removed.
They then lasted into the teens.

What do any of you think? - Tom E.


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Douglas Harding
 

They are early CMSTP stockcars, perhaps as early as the 1880s. See attached photo taken at Murdo SD shows car with roof hatches. And a photo of double deck car 8327, the caption mentions the cars have roof hatches. It’s possible the second deck was removeable, some cars were built that way, where the floor came out in sections. Convertible cars had the second deck supported with cables or chains so it could be raised to roof creating. These MILW cars do not.

 

Prior to 1906 many companies and railroads designed features in stockcars with intentions to feed animals while in transit, ie the common roof hatches. It didn’t work. The 1906 28 hr law was created to feed and rest livestock outside the car because the 1874 law was ineffective in preventing animal injuries and death while in transit. The 1906 was a beefed up version that had teeth, no longer were animals feed in transit.

 

The Santa Fe built stockcars with dual purpose, the roof hatches used to load coal or coke for return loads and off season use.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

I don’t KNOW that this is the answer. This is a very early photo, probably 1900. Note the cars have no corner posts and the trusses are stuck in pockets like those on a flat car. Some of the early cars had an upper deck that could be removed or manually lowed by human beings by removing cross bracing. IF that was the case with these, they could be used for backhaul of coal or coke. Santa Fe cars with roof hatches were regularly used for coal, coke, and sugar beets, however none of those were double deck.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

Livestock Car With Roof Hatches

The first photo on the link is (to me) very interesting as it raises several questions:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/union-stock-yards-fbd57413-559b-4587-9245-93f1c9ffec5-resize-750.jpeg

My take on the hatches is that for these particular cars the hatches were for feeding and watering the stock. But there seem to be a problem.

These are double deck cars so unless there was a way to retract the upper level the hatches would not allow feeding and watering for the lower level, or the loading of bulk commodities for non-livestock transport.

Does anyone know more about these particular cars?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Crane Components On C&NW Flat Car (Undated)

Jack Mullen
 

Nice find, Bob. Thanks.
I can't quite make out the number either. I wish the Wisconsin folks had higher rez images online, but beggars can't be choosers. I can make out a 5 to the left of the stake, and either 133 or 433 to the right. However, I can cheat a bit. This is one of C&NW's early steel 41' fishbelly flats, identifiable by the shallow fishbelly (compare to the next car), and 11 stake pockets. So the possible number series are:
53201-53799 odd, AC&F 1910 and
54001-54799 odd, SSC 1912.
The car to the right might be one of C&NW's 42' USRA style flats, but a number of other roads has similar cars.
The load appears to be components of an overhead crane, judging by the form of the cab.

Jack Mullen


Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Freight Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

I am curious how or if anyone has used the Speedwitch Relaunch Decal Set. Ted recently re-released this huge decal set to support the Hindsight 2020 series and I was fast enough to get one before they sold out.  I am curious if anyone is willing to share their efforts to use these decals.  As primarily a B&O modeler I have access to photos of the W-2 and W-2A hoppers so I will start there and share my research and progress. I don’t have a collection of photos of the many of the other cars, so I would be very interested to see what others have done.  Looking forward to seeing other’s models. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


ADMIN: RE: [RealSTMFC] FS: Large Lot of HO Freight and Passenger Cars

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Allen forgot one of the fundamental STMFC rules about selling – inquiries are to be handled OFF LIST.  Please do NOT reply to RealSTMFC with your inquiries (double-check the “To:” line in your email).

 

               Allen, please provide the email address to which you want inquiries to be sent.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator,

RealSTMFC

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] FS: Large Lot of HO Freight and Passenger Cars

 

Please look at the attached list as I am sure that you will find something of interest.

 

I am offering discounts on multiple kit purchases so dig deep into the list and save a lot of money as compared to the rising price of kits and RTR cars today.

 

Orders will be processed on a first come first serve basis so I encourage you to not wait too long for what you want.

 

As I continue to strive to make room for the layout I hope to build I still need to sell a lot of kit and some RTR that I have accumulated over the years.  Most, if not all, are out of production.

 

So I REALLY need your help to clear the floor space!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Allen Cain


Re: Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

earlyrail
 

One of six
60002, 60011, 60013, 60017, 60018,  & 60031
Center about 2 '2" deep


Re: Intermountain underframes

Brian Carlson
 

You can use Kadee roowalks too. Attach with canopy glue. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 26, 2020, at 1:23 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Here's a followup on the coupler and coupler box replacement.  

For the two cars that I completely removed the stock Intermountain coupler box, I anchored the Kadee 262 box in a manner that seems adequate.  I had some .046 brass wire (DA 2511).  Cut a length of around 3/16", just shy of 1/4".  Then I used ACC to loosely fix it in the hole remaining from the Intermountain coupler box mount into the body, not necessarily needing to be perfectly vertical.  After that cured, then I used Shoe Goo to attach the Kadee coupler box in its proper position -- the Kadee box ends up with the right location along the car centerline.  So this mount seems to be a success.

I'll note that the recent Intermountain cars seem to be painted after assembly of the body, roof and side/end details, while the underframe, brake equipment and coupler boxes seem to be unpainted black plastic on the several cars I've bought recently.  So any cars that have just had the couplers replaced with the #158, without a change of the box to the Kadee 262, will get a wash of body color paint (usually boxcar red) on the ends and sides of the original coupler box when I get around to installing the uncoupling lever.  I need to go back and look at the last batches of IM cars delivered before the Chinese factory collapse, for instance the 10"-0" height cars with 3-4 ends (the "postwar" car as IM calls it) to see what condition they're in.  My move is imminent so a lot of the cars are not available for inspection right now.

Now for a question.  I saw the posts about IM so longer selling parts.  But one thing I do like about IM 40' steam era boxcars is the one-piece metal roofwalk of an Apex pattern.  Has anyone ever been able to get these separately?  I had a couple that I pried off of some Burlington cars because the prototypes actually had a wood roofwalk, but I immediately used those on something else.

Ron Merrick


Re: Erie flat car

G.J. Irwin
 

The ORER for April 1952 shows the group Erie 7220 to 7224 with five cars, AAR Designation FM, capacity 180,000 pounds. (Just visible in the photo.) The next set, 7230 to 7234, are FMs with a capacity of 271,000 pounds.  Those sets are in between small numbers of depressed center flat cars.

--George Irwin


Re: Intermountain underframes

Kenneth Montero
 

Plano and Yarmouth both have Apex metal running boards i their current listings. Searching Ebay, one may find the same from Details Associates and some of the brass car importers.

Ken Montero

On 07/26/2020 1:23 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


Here's a followup on the coupler and coupler box replacement.  

For the two cars that I completely removed the stock Intermountain coupler box, I anchored the Kadee 262 box in a manner that seems adequate.  I had some .046 brass wire (DA 2511).  Cut a length of around 3/16", just shy of 1/4".  Then I used ACC to loosely fix it in the hole remaining from the Intermountain coupler box mount into the body, not necessarily needing to be perfectly vertical.  After that cured, then I used Shoe Goo to attach the Kadee coupler box in its proper position -- the Kadee box ends up with the right location along the car centerline.  So this mount seems to be a success.

I'll note that the recent Intermountain cars seem to be painted after assembly of the body, roof and side/end details, while the underframe, brake equipment and coupler boxes seem to be unpainted black plastic on the several cars I've bought recently.  So any cars that have just had the couplers replaced with the #158, without a change of the box to the Kadee 262, will get a wash of body color paint (usually boxcar red) on the ends and sides of the original coupler box when I get around to installing the uncoupling lever.  I need to go back and look at the last batches of IM cars delivered before the Chinese factory collapse, for instance the 10"-0" height cars with 3-4 ends (the "postwar" car as IM calls it) to see what condition they're in.  My move is imminent so a lot of the cars are not available for inspection right now.

Now for a question.  I saw the posts about IM so longer selling parts.  But one thing I do like about IM 40' steam era boxcars is the one-piece metal roofwalk of an Apex pattern.  Has anyone ever been able to get these separately?  I had a couple that I pried off of some Burlington cars because the prototypes actually had a wood roofwalk, but I immediately used those on something else.

Ron Merrick


FS: Large Lot of HO Freight and Passenger Cars

Allen Cain
 

Please look at the attached list as I am sure that you will find something of interest.
 
I am offering discounts on multiple kit purchases so dig deep into the list and save a lot of money as compared to the rising price of kits and RTR cars today.
 
Orders will be processed on a first come first serve basis so I encourage you to not wait too long for what you want.
 
As I continue to strive to make room for the layout I hope to build I still need to sell a lot of kit and some RTR that I have accumulated over the years.  Most, if not all, are out of production.
 
So I REALLY need your help to clear the floor space!
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Allen Cain


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Rupert Gamlen
 

Bob

I don’t know about these particular cars but the CB&Q built some double deck stock cars in 1905-6, class SM-2 numbered 51990-51999 (renumbered in 1914-5 to 60650-60659) with
SEC Universal / Eyler's adjustable decks, which could be raised to create a single deck car.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 4:31 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

Livestock Car With Roof Hatches

The first photo on the link is (to me) very interesting as it raises several questions:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/union-stock-yards-fbd57413-559b-4587-9245-93f1c9ffec5-resize-750.jpeg

My take on the hatches is that for these particular cars the hatches were for feeding and watering the stock. But there seem to be a problem.

These are double deck cars so unless there was a way to retract the upper level the hatches would not allow feeding and watering for the lower level, or the loading of bulk commodities for non-livestock transport.

Does anyone know more about these particular cars?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

Steve SANDIFER
 

I don’t KNOW that this is the answer. This is a very early photo, probably 1900. Note the cars have no corner posts and the trusses are stuck in pockets like those on a flat car. Some of the early cars had an upper deck that could be removed or manually lowed by human beings by removing cross bracing. IF that was the case with these, they could be used for backhaul of coal or coke. Santa Fe cars with roof hatches were regularly used for coal, coke, and sugar beets, however none of those were double deck.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Those interested in stock cars and their associated stock yards

 

Livestock Car With Roof Hatches

The first photo on the link is (to me) very interesting as it raises several questions:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/union-stock-yards-fbd57413-559b-4587-9245-93f1c9ffec5-resize-750.jpeg

My take on the hatches is that for these particular cars the hatches were for feeding and watering the stock. But there seem to be a problem.

These are double deck cars so unless there was a way to retract the upper level the hatches would not allow feeding and watering for the lower level, or the loading of bulk commodities for non-livestock transport.

Does anyone know more about these particular cars?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Image of P&LE shops with view of 52'6" gons with floors removed

mopacfirst
 

The boxcar that you can see into also appears to have had its floor removed.

Next question -- these boxcars have all had the roofwalks removed also.  Is it possible that these had had wood roofwalks, and they were being replaced with steel?

Ron Merrick

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