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Photo: Refrigerator Load In Cincinnati Northern Boxcar S-3359 (1928)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Refrigerator Load In Cincinnati Northern Boxcar S-3359 (1928)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM21670

Another advertising banner example.

Does anyone know the significance of the "S" in the car number?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Elden, that is DEFINITELY a well-hole flat.  You can see in the panel where the LD LMT is shown that the bottom of the “pipe fitting” is below the deck.  And all that bracing, the timbers and the tie rods, are clearly temporary.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Bob, all;

 

These GN cars are very interesting.  I know next to nothing about them, except what I can glean from photos.  I believe it is a well flat, not a well HOLE flat, since it does not look like the floor supports are removable.  I have wondered what GN needed these cars for, since it is usually an on-line customer that needed them.  These shipments were just lucrative enough that RRs could be convinced the roster them, otherwise….not.

 

The side members are surprisingly slender for a more typical well flat, which generally had deep side sills, but there is that u/f, which indicates the well is not that deep….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM49938

Appears to be a well hole flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: some steam era work train equipment images

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Of course the tender body would be filled with something for added weight, such as ballast or sand, sometimes mixed with  scrap iron for more weight.

The Rock Island had a bunch of "haystack" tenders converted to plows. The extra weight was water mixed with anti-freeze. The cars were emptied when the snow season ended.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
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Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] some steam era work train equipment images

John,
 
It seems that an empty tender would be pretty light for a snow plow so did they fill the cistern and coal (or oil) bunker with sand or some other heavy material.
 
As a side note, according to the Monon equipment diagrams, their scale test car had concrete blocks in it to adjust the weight.
 
Mont
 
Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.
Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.
(765) 836-2914
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mofwcaboose via groups.io
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Both the IC and the Milwaukee Road had numerous tenders converted to sand cars. The Milwaukee also converted their old tenders to snowplows and flangers.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2020 8:11 am
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What’s the mystery about the L&N sand car, Claus? Looks to me like a standard tender
frame from a smaller steam loco with a home built bunker for sand added to it. A lot of
steamers went to scrap with perfectly good tenders or tender frames if the tank was shot.
 
Cordially, Don Valentine
 


Re: inside running rail of the curve will be accompanied by an addition guard rail

Larry Buell
 

Dennis Storzek:

In the late 1980s we had a new customer on the Illinois Division that wanted rail access.  So, they lined up an approved contractor to build the track up to the property line and we , the Santa Fe, built and installed the turnout and connecting track.  After the industry track was completed, it was inspected by one of my employes and put into service.  Shortly thereafter, the Local crew drew me aside complaining that the wheels were really squealing going around one of the curves in the plant.  I went out and string lined the curve.  Turns out that the track curve was about 27-28 degrees (or between a 200-212 ft. radius). The Santa Fe limited the degree of curve for new track to 12 degrees (479 ft. radius) at that time. The local was using 4-wheel trucks under the locomotives for switching; luckily, they never went on the ground.  I contacted the contractor and informed them that they would have to realign the trackage, which was buried for the unloading of lumber flats. 

Larry Buell


Re: some steam era work train equipment images

Mont Switzer
 

John,

 

It seems that an empty tender would be pretty light for a snow plow so did they fill the cistern and coal (or oil) bunker with sand or some other heavy material.

 

As a side note, according to the Monon equipment diagrams, their scale test car had concrete blocks in it to adjust the weight.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] some steam era work train equipment images

 

Both the IC and the Milwaukee Road had numerous tenders converted to sand cars. The Milwaukee also converted their old tenders to snowplows and flangers.

 

John C. La Rue, Jr.

Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2020 8:11 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] some steam era work train equipment images

 

What’s the mystery about the L&N sand car, Claus? Looks to me like a standard tender

frame from a smaller steam loco with a home built bunker for sand added to it. A lot of

steamers went to scrap with perfectly good tenders or tender frames if the tank was shot.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Re: some steam era work train equipment images

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Both the IC and the Milwaukee Road had numerous tenders converted to sand cars. The Milwaukee also converted their old tenders to snowplows and flangers.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2020 8:11 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] some steam era work train equipment images

 
What’s the mystery about the L&N sand car, Claus? Looks to me like a standard tender
frame from a smaller steam loco with a home built bunker for sand added to it. A lot of
steamers went to scrap with perfectly good tenders or tender frames if the tank was shot.
 
Cordially, Don Valentine
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob, all;

 

These GN cars are very interesting.  I know next to nothing about them, except what I can glean from photos.  I believe it is a well flat, not a well HOLE flat, since it does not look like the floor supports are removable.  I have wondered what GN needed these cars for, since it is usually an on-line customer that needed them.  These shipments were just lucrative enough that RRs could be convinced the roster them, otherwise….not.

 

The side members are surprisingly slender for a more typical well flat, which generally had deep side sills, but there is that u/f, which indicates the well is not that deep….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM49938

Appears to be a well hole flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Images of NYC&HR freight cars on display for exhibit (no date given, maybe 1890s)

maynard stowe
 

Pictures are from the 1876 Philadelphia exhibition (World's Fair).
Maynard Stowe


Re: Photo: A Load Of Wagons In CGW Boxcar 23140 (1937)

Kenneth Montero
 

By the time that the photo was taken, the Weber Wagon Company had become a subsidiary of International Harvester (purchased Weber in 1906). See:

Ken Montero

On 07/27/2020 8:46 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: A Load Of Wagons In CGW Boxcar 23140 (1937)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM46459

Another advertising banner example.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Machinery On Flat Cars (1945)

Kenneth Montero
 

The machinery has a lot of blocking, but does not appear to have tie-downs. Have I missed them? Or would the weight of the freight negate the need for tie-downs?

Ken Montero

On 07/27/2020 8:44 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Machinery On Flat Cars (1945)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM44552

Flat cars are unidentified. Can anyone identify the machinery?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 04:46 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
This is the IC yards, just south of the river?  Looking southwest toward the Loop?  Randolph St.?
Yes
Dennis Storzek


Re: Experimentation on modeling inside details of Youngstown doors

Rich C
 

Those look great Andy. I am sure they would attract the guys who like to leave a door open with a partial load inside. I know at train shows (when we have them again!) it would be an attention getter.

Rich Christie

On Monday, July 27, 2020, 03:00:53 PM CDT, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:


Attaboy! Looks great.

Jim

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:42 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Hello-

With my intent years ago to model thin 2-sided Youngstown Steel Doors in HO I gave it a try last week.

This is my first casting with this thin molded YSD. This photo is of the back side of an HO Youngstown pre-war 5/6/5-T door, usually used on 10'6" IH modified '37 AAR box cars. I have been able to keep it close to scale thickness. Yes, the panels are thin; about 0.006".

I will try to cast in Urethane resin, but for this cast I used J. B. Weld original epoxy.  Next door will be an overnight 5/5/5 interim improved Youngstown door used solely for the SP.

I already have a car side which I have scribbed interior sheathing and also the smooth vertical door frame on each side of the door opening. The other side will not need this scribbing but will have the door glued in the open position. With the peek-through view the scribbed side will have the inside detailed door in the closed position, allowing this through-the-car-side interior view. I am hoping further research shows that the GN stenciled the car numbers on the top of the doors.

Regards,
-Andy Carlson,  Ojai CA
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Re: Images of NYC&HR freight cars on display for exhibit (no date given, maybe 1890s)

James McDonald
 

Hi Claus,

The photos of the NYC&HR boxcars were taken at the 1876 Centennial Exhibition.

All the best,

James

=-=-=

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Todd Horton
 

C of G car to the very left. 

Todd Horton


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 06:54:35 PM EDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 


Images of NYC&HR freight cars on display for exhibit (no date given, maybe 1890s)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Images of NYC&HR freight cars on display for exhibit (no date given, maybe 1890s)
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 


Image of string of freight cars, T&P steel box, 50ft composite gon 1948

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of string of freight cars, T&P steel box, 50ft composite gon 1948
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Photo: Wisconsin Coal Company Boxcar No. 10 (1900)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wisconsin Coal Company Boxcar No. 10 (1900)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM24529

Description: Group of men transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin Coal Co.) to the narrow gauge tracks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy & Peoria Railway at Iron Mountain, Wisconsin.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: A Load Of Wagons In CGW Boxcar 23140 (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: A Load Of Wagons In CGW Boxcar 23140 (1937)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM46459

Another advertising banner example.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Machinery On Flat Cars (1945)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Machinery On Flat Cars (1945)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM44552

Flat cars are unidentified. Can anyone identify the machinery?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Erie 82000-82499

mopacfirst
 

Aha.  I had assumed it was a trade name of another manufacturer.  Here it is --  http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82121b.jpg

Ron Merrick