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Two new decal sets available from Missouri Pacific Historical Society 45’ gondolas and 45’ and 50’ flatcars

Charlie Duckworth
 

Working with Ed Hawkins we’ve introduced two more  Mopac decal sets through the Missouri Pacific Historical Society.   The first set is for the F&C 45’ panel gondolas and the second set is for the Chad Boas 45’ and 50’ flatcars he’s done. Both sets heavily research with extra reweigh stations. 

search on eBay for seller Mopachistoricalsociety 
or go here. 

http://mopac.org/store/models-and-decals/ho-scale-decals

Also we have a restock on ART decals with the three logos for the yellow cars. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Cape Line Trucks

Eric Hansmann
 

Some of the Cape Line trucks are available through Bethlehem Car Works. 

And there are similar trucks available through Bitter Creek Models. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:57 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

I am in the process of digitizing a lot of paper files of model railroading articles and stuff I've collected over the years (and throwing out about 60% as stale techniques or of no further use to my interests). 

I ran across this catalog sheet for Cape Line trucks. These were formerly made by Red Ball, and I believe the line was later retooled in plastic by Eastern Car Works (correct me if I'm wrong about the latter). 

This might be worth keeping just as a guide to identifying some rather obscure trucks. It is certainly not complete by any means, but there are some here I've never seen anywhere else.

I miss Cliff Line and Central Valley trucks. Not as good as some we have now, but really nice for their time and heavy too since they were diecast metal.

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆
<CAPE LINE TRUCKS-2.jpg>
<CAPE LINE TRUCKS-1.jpg>


Cape Line Trucks

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

I am in the process of digitizing a lot of paper files of model railroading articles and stuff I've collected over the years (and throwing out about 60% as stale techniques or of no further use to my interests). 

I ran across this catalog sheet for Cape Line trucks. These were formerly made by Red Ball, and I believe the line was later retooled in plastic by Eastern Car Works (correct me if I'm wrong about the latter). 

This might be worth keeping just as a guide to identifying some rather obscure trucks. It is certainly not complete by any means, but there are some here I've never seen anywhere else.

I miss Cliff Line and Central Valley trucks. Not as good as some we have now, but really nice for their time and heavy too since they were diecast metal.

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Buster Keaton again

David Wiggs
 

I think these were giraffe cars.  If you look closely, you can see the word "Lionel" in the corner of the car end.
 
davo in Orlando


Re: Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

Richard Townsend
 

I believe the other cars are loaded with parts for penstocks.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 10:30 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)
A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:
The equipment was for the Kilbourn Dam in Wisconsin, which was completed in 1909.
The first and last car appear to be carrying turbine components.
Can anyone identify the other equipment?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

Douglas Harding
 

Looks to be C&NW

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

 

Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM64667

Perhaps someone with a better monitor than mine can identify the flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Jim Hayes
 

I do my on-line shopping at Burbank House of Hobbies. Vallejo is the the same price as Sprue Bros and their shipping cost are reasonable, at least to me. I usually buy 3-4 bottles when I order. Their search engine is crap though. It usually comes up with about 900-1000 matches but the one you want is among the 1st.

    Jim


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Kai Solvei
 

Thanks, good to know.

Here are two others:
MicroMark Depot Buff 29027X2 = Vallejo 71.107 US Interior yellow
MicroMark Steam power black 29012X2 = Vallejo 71.251 NATO Black

Kai Solvei
Norway

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: onsdag 29. juli 2020 05:51
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

I’ve been buying a lot of Vallejo paint lately as I get more used to it and I wanted to pick up a variety of browns and reds for rolling stock. MicroMark has boxcar red 29015X2. This is exactly the same as Vallejo 71.080 rust. MicroMark just stuck another label on it. Offering this email as a public service announcement so others don’t end up like me with three of the same color.🤦🏻‍♂️

Brian J. Carlson


Photo: URTX 12117 (1935)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: URTX 12117 (1935)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM9479

Awaiting a load of beer.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM7990

The equipment was for the Kilbourn Dam in Wisconsin, which was completed in 1909.

The first and last car appear to be carrying turbine components.

Can anyone identify the other equipment?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM64667

Perhaps someone with a better monitor than mine can identify the flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Ken Adams
 

I fell into this Micro Mark trap several years ago and bought several Vallejo Rust bottles mislabeled as Box Car Red. It was before Vallejo Model Color line became widespread.  I dilute them and use the color for rust weathering. 

I don't use model Air as I can no longer use an airbrush.  I have found  that Vallejo Model Color (hand brushable) Burnt Red 70.814 makes a very suitable FCR closely matching the wavelength to my eyes of Star Brand and TruColor Espee FCR. If you thin it with Vallejo acrylic thinner for air brush it may work. 

Lately I have found the best price and availability of Vallejo paints at Sprue Brothers which does not specially cater to the model railroad hobby.  I try to order about 10 bottles at a time to cover the shipping cost.  A lot of the colors in the Panzer Aces line are very usable for the grungy colors often seen on railroad equipment just days after leaving a RR paintshop and industrial structures.  
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: was Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars now LV car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Schuyler;

 

The LV well flat was definitely similar to the F49, but not exactly the same.  An extremely attractive car.  Also a GSI product.

 

It was not surprising to me that LV bought one, given its good relations w PRR staff, so a GSI car, which were very well-received on the PRR, was the choice.

 

It is not lost on me, also, that LV served Lukens Steel, a maker of many high & wide loads, requiring this kind of car.  Win-Win.

 

I used to have that brass model, but sold it to an LV guy because he was so in love with it.  Problem was, no decals.  I had to have my PRR decals custom-made.

 

I’ll see if I can find it.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

 

If I am not mistaken, the LV had a similar car.  I have a brass model that I’ve painted, though it’s in a box and I’ve not seen it for quite a while.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

If I am not mistaken, the LV had a similar car.  I have a brass model that I’ve painted, though it’s in a box and I’ve not seen it for quite a while.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Bruce Smith
 

Claus,

Two flags - Each flag was placed by someone working on the cars. This indicates multiple people working on/with these cars. You can only remove the flag you placed. This prevents someone removing someone else's blue flag protection by accident. My guess is that the loading dock personnel placed on, and the carman placed the other.

As for the hose, it sure looks like he is charging the brakes. If I were a betting person, I would bet that the other end of one of those strings is connected, not to a loco, but to a compressor. He's getting the strings ready to move and by charging the air, it will get them out faster. He may also be doing brake tests/inspections prior to the cars being pulled. "Yard air" was fairly common and allowed these things to occur without using valuable locomotive crew time. 

And what gives with the end of the car in the middle? At first, I though it might be an unpainted replacement panel, but instead it looks like spilled cargo that has seeped through the seam in the end? Clearly not a "tight" seam...

And of course, these photos are available directly from the Library of Congress as opposed to tumblr.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 8:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952
 
Hi Jim and List Members,
 
Thanks Jim for the links.
 
Jim wrote: "Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad "
 
Within the above link I noticed the specific image linked below...
 
I see the trainman looks to have linked the brake hoses on two cuts of cars on two separate tracks. It looks like he did this with the railroad equivalent of an 'extension cord' connecting the two brakelines. What exactly is going on there? Is he using one engine (perhaps out of sight at the far end of one of these two cuts) to charge the brakes on both cuts? Perhaps the engine is already coupled onto one cut, and will then immediately couple onto the second cut, and then move both cuts together? Other ideas?
 
I note that every car has TWO blue flags - one on the coupler and another one on the end ladder
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: np328
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Here is a link to the Chicago Past website, I know I have posted this prior however it has some go railroad photos buried within and here some good color of the Pabst sign and railroad cars. 
Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad

My father who lived for many years in Chicago often had comments that echoed Michael's when we went down into the loop area as a family on short vacations and he revisited old haunts.   

I am always amazed at all the trackage on the north side of the river that served the Merchandise Mart, and extended out to the Navy Pier at one time in earlier years top of this photo
http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/uic_caps/id/105                                                       Jim Dick  St. Paul, MN   


Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Jim and List Members,
 
Thanks Jim for the links.
 
Jim wrote: "Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad "
 
Within the above link I noticed the specific image linked below...
 
I see the trainman looks to have linked the brake hoses on two cuts of cars on two separate tracks. It looks like he did this with the railroad equivalent of an 'extension cord' connecting the two brakelines. What exactly is going on there? Is he using one engine (perhaps out of sight at the far end of one of these two cuts) to charge the brakes on both cuts? Perhaps the engine is already coupled onto one cut, and will then immediately couple onto the second cut, and then move both cuts together? Other ideas?
 
I note that every car has TWO blue flags - one on the coupler and another one on the end ladder
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: np328
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Here is a link to the Chicago Past website, I know I have posted this prior however it has some go railroad photos buried within and here some good color of the Pabst sign and railroad cars. 
Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad

My father who lived for many years in Chicago often had comments that echoed Michael's when we went down into the loop area as a family on short vacations and he revisited old haunts.   

I am always amazed at all the trackage on the north side of the river that served the Merchandise Mart, and extended out to the Navy Pier at one time in earlier years top of this photo
http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/uic_caps/id/105                                                       Jim Dick  St. Paul, MN   


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Claus!

 

Note that these cars were designed at a time that engineers (the design kind) were trying to figure out how to make cars resistant to excessive bending (or failure), and had not yet figured out the best way to do it.  PRR’s answer was to rivet multiple strips of steel together to resist that bending, resulting in the look shown in these photos.  The top down of 425018 is instructive.

 

Since the sides adjacent to the hole were weaker, it was PRR’s intent to spread the load over the ends, like in photo of 425004. 

 

B&M had similar intent on their well cars, which were used for big GE products.  Big girders with end feet transferred the load over the ends, like 425004.

 

I had the luck to see an ex-PRR F37B (IIRC) on DoD property at one point, and crawled all over it.  What an anachronism!

 

Eventually, PRR went to GSI for a better replacement, the F49 shown.  What a beautiful car!!!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

 

Hi Elden and List Members,

 

Thanks for the great explanation of this situation and the multiple images.

 

Elden did not have a PRR class FN image to share with us, but there is one at the link below...

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

 

Folks;

 

It may be semantic, but take a look at these oddball flat cars (which I love), as examples of well and well hole flats.

 

The PRR FN was a 37-car class of well hole flats (I guess as opposed to well “pocket” flats), constructed between  1902 and 1915, to accommodate loads that could not be accommodated by other cars due to the intended height of the load, so were suspended over the rails on a pressed steel assembly of riveted steel members sandwiched one next to another.  I am sorry I do not have a photo to show you, but there are several in the PRRT&HS flat car book.

 

The FNA is a well flat with removeable flooring to convert it to well hole flat when needed.  These 20 cars were converted from FN between 1926 and 1929 for things like vessel screws (like the G25 screw cars, there were never enough during war time), but with more load capacity atop a wooden floor that could be removed.  FNA were very popular during WW2 for other loads, like for 40mm Bofors twin gun tubs, perhaps mounted horizontally (I am looking forward to those photos).

 

With wartime demand, PRR constructed an additional 20 flats as slightly longer versions of the FNA in 1942, as class F37.  The removable flooring and structural cross-members remained.

 

During 1950-53, 31 FN and FNA were rebuilt as 14 F37A (the remainder scrapped or held in reserve for conversion to F37B).  They also had floors atop structural members crossing the well.

 

The F37B were converted between 1948 and 1952, from original FN, with newer ends (longer) to accommodate their new brake gear at both ends of the car.  They were well hole flats, not provided floors, but with structural members on either end of the pocket.  See photos.

 

Semantic, no doubt, but interesting to some of us that find them fascinating.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Schuyler;

 

I don’t read that from either ORER or pic.  It has a wood floor, something you don’t generally have in a well HOLE flat, which has no cross-members beneath the “hole”, which this car has no evidence of.  No shadows beneath the car, either, which you usually see on well hole cars.

 

This looks to me to be a conversion of a “standard” flat car, to one with a shallow well, in which the cross-members/bearers have been replaced in the well, by I-beams either welded, bolted, or riveted (I cannot see), to the bottom of the side sill, and reinforced beneath, for support of the five replacements.  Removable floor supports generally have evidence of them in the form of brackets or additional reinforcements into which bolts are inserted, which do not appear here.

 

I pondered whether this might be a “sectional” well hole flat like PRR’s F49’s, but nothing appears different around a potential removable “section” that comes out to allow a further drop through the floor, like the excellent photo on the cover of the PRRT&HS flat car book.

 

All that being said, I remain open to convincing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Elden, that is DEFINITELY a well-hole flat.  You can see in the panel where the LD LMT is shown that the bottom of the “pipe fitting” is below the deck.  And all that bracing, the timbers and the tie rods, are clearly temporary.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Bob, all;

 

These GN cars are very interesting.  I know next to nothing about them, except what I can glean from photos.  I believe it is a well flat, not a well HOLE flat, since it does not look like the floor supports are removable.  I have wondered what GN needed these cars for, since it is usually an on-line customer that needed them.  These shipments were just lucrative enough that RRs could be convinced the roster them, otherwise….not.

 

The side members are surprisingly slender for a more typical well flat, which generally had deep side sills, but there is that u/f, which indicates the well is not that deep….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

BlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedhttps://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM49938

Appears to be a well hole flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Elden and List Members,
 
Thanks for the great explanation of this situation and the multiple images.
 
Elden did not have a PRR class FN image to share with us, but there is one at the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

Folks;

 

It may be semantic, but take a look at these oddball flat cars (which I love), as examples of well and well hole flats.

 

The PRR FN was a 37-car class of well hole flats (I guess as opposed to well “pocket” flats), constructed between  1902 and 1915, to accommodate loads that could not be accommodated by other cars due to the intended height of the load, so were suspended over the rails on a pressed steel assembly of riveted steel members sandwiched one next to another.  I am sorry I do not have a photo to show you, but there are several in the PRRT&HS flat car book.

 

The FNA is a well flat with removeable flooring to convert it to well hole flat when needed.  These 20 cars were converted from FN between 1926 and 1929 for things like vessel screws (like the G25 screw cars, there were never enough during war time), but with more load capacity atop a wooden floor that could be removed.  FNA were very popular during WW2 for other loads, like for 40mm Bofors twin gun tubs, perhaps mounted horizontally (I am looking forward to those photos).

 

With wartime demand, PRR constructed an additional 20 flats as slightly longer versions of the FNA in 1942, as class F37.  The removable flooring and structural cross-members remained.

 

During 1950-53, 31 FN and FNA were rebuilt as 14 F37A (the remainder scrapped or held in reserve for conversion to F37B).  They also had floors atop structural members crossing the well.

 

The F37B were converted between 1948 and 1952, from original FN, with newer ends (longer) to accommodate their new brake gear at both ends of the car.  They were well hole flats, not provided floors, but with structural members on either end of the pocket.  See photos.

 

Semantic, no doubt, but interesting to some of us that find them fascinating.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Schuyler;

 

I don’t read that from either ORER or pic.  It has a wood floor, something you don’t generally have in a well HOLE flat, which has no cross-members beneath the “hole”, which this car has no evidence of.  No shadows beneath the car, either, which you usually see on well hole cars.

 

This looks to me to be a conversion of a “standard” flat car, to one with a shallow well, in which the cross-members/bearers have been replaced in the well, by I-beams either welded, bolted, or riveted (I cannot see), to the bottom of the side sill, and reinforced beneath, for support of the five replacements.  Removable floor supports generally have evidence of them in the form of brackets or additional reinforcements into which bolts are inserted, which do not appear here.

 

I pondered whether this might be a “sectional” well hole flat like PRR’s F49’s, but nothing appears different around a potential removable “section” that comes out to allow a further drop through the floor, like the excellent photo on the cover of the PRRT&HS flat car book.

 

All that being said, I remain open to convincing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Elden, that is DEFINITELY a well-hole flat.  You can see in the panel where the LD LMT is shown that the bottom of the “pipe fitting” is below the deck.  And all that bracing, the timbers and the tie rods, are clearly temporary.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Bob, all;

 

These GN cars are very interesting.  I know next to nothing about them, except what I can glean from photos.  I believe it is a well flat, not a well HOLE flat, since it does not look like the floor supports are removable.  I have wondered what GN needed these cars for, since it is usually an on-line customer that needed them.  These shipments were just lucrative enough that RRs could be convinced the roster them, otherwise….not.

 

The side members are surprisingly slender for a more typical well flat, which generally had deep side sills, but there is that u/f, which indicates the well is not that deep….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

BlockedBlockedBlockedhttps://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM49938

Appears to be a well hole flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Eric Hansmann
 

IIRC, MicroMark added another label to Vallejo Model Air colors that corresponded with Polly-Scale color formulations.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’ve been buying a lot of Vallejo paint lately as I get more used to it and I wanted to pick up a variety of browns and reds for rolling stock. MicroMark has boxcar red 29015X2. This is exactly the same as Vallejo 71.080 rust. MicroMark just stuck another label on it. Offering this email as a public service announcement so others don’t end up like me with three of the same color.🤦🏻‍♂️

Brian J. Carlson



Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Brian Carlson
 

I’ve been buying a lot of Vallejo paint lately as I get more used to it and I wanted to pick up a variety of browns and reds for rolling stock. MicroMark has boxcar red 29015X2. This is exactly the same as Vallejo 71.080 rust. MicroMark just stuck another label on it. Offering this email as a public service announcement so others don’t end up like me with three of the same color.🤦🏻‍♂️

Brian J. Carlson

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