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Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 08:27 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

On another group a person commented about this photo:

"Does the blue flag rule cover cars being loaded or unloaded? No.

Are/were blue flags used to protect cars being loaded or unloaded? Yes."
Comments?

I've seen this question kicked around before. Pertinent points:

1) The railroad rule books call this "Inspection and Repair Protection". Nothing about loading and unloading.
2) It is only defined in the railroad rulebook, not generally available to the customer's dock workers.
3) The railroad had a vested interest that the blue signal not be misused, so as not to dilute its meaning. That is difficult to enforce if the people hanging the signal are not railroad employees.

On the other hand, the industry could hang any sort of sign or marker on the cars spotted at their dock that they wanted. Signs that said "HOSES CONNECTED" were common. If they happened to be blue, well so be it. However, these signs were not technically blue signals as defined by Rule 26.

The blue flags visible in the Delano photo may represent a special case. This is a railroad freight house, so the dock workers ARE railroad employees. So indeed, the IC could have decided that Rule 26 did apply to the men loading the cars at a freight house.

Dennis Storzek


Photo: Thresher Loads On Flat Cars (1925)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Thresher Loads On Flat Cars (1925)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM6801

Flat cars are unidentified.

McCormick-Deering all-steel threshers.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Unloading Logs On Flat Car (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Unloading Logs On Flat Car (Undated)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM82991

The flat car is unidentified.

Interesting arrangement of temporary supports to direct the logs in the other direction for unloading.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Loading Oats Into Boxcars (1926)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Loading Oats Into Boxcars (1926)

A 1926 photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM49124

Looks like the man in the wagon is shoveling oats into the conveyor.

The grain door is a bit different from many others I have seen.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Mont Switzer
 

Bob,

 

In the world of bulk liquid and dry bulk it has been my experience that if hoses were hooked up the blue flat were in place before and after.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

 

On another group a person commented about this photo:

"Does the blue flag rule cover cars being loaded or unloaded? No.

Are/were blue flags used to protect cars being loaded or unloaded? Yes."
Comments?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952

Bob Chaparro
 

On another group a person commented about this photo:

"Does the blue flag rule cover cars being loaded or unloaded? No.

Are/were blue flags used to protect cars being loaded or unloaded? Yes."
Comments?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cape Line Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bethlehem Car Works (John Greene) has been producing at least a selection of the Cape Line trucks.

www.bethlehemcar.com

Trucks:

www.bethlehem.cojm/trucks/

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:58 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cape Line Trucks

 

Friends,

 

I am in the process of digitizing a lot of paper files of model railroading articles and stuff I've collected over the years (and throwing out about 60% as stale techniques or of no further use to my interests). 

 

I ran across this catalog sheet for Cape Line trucks. These were formerly made by Red Ball, and I believe the line was later retooled in plastic by Eastern Car Works (correct me if I'm wrong about the latter). 

 

This might be worth keeping just as a guide to identifying some rather obscure trucks. It is certainly not complete by any means, but there are some here I've never seen anywhere else.

 

I miss Cliff Line and Central Valley trucks. Not as good as some we have now, but really nice for their time and heavy too since they were diecast metal.

 

Yours Aye

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Two new decal sets available from Missouri Pacific Historical Society 45’ gondolas and 45’ and 50’ flatcars

Charlie Duckworth
 

Working with Ed Hawkins we’ve introduced two more  Mopac decal sets through the Missouri Pacific Historical Society.   The first set is for the F&C 45’ panel gondolas and the second set is for the Chad Boas 45’ and 50’ flatcars he’s done. Both sets heavily research with extra reweigh stations. 

search on eBay for seller Mopachistoricalsociety 
or go here. 

http://mopac.org/store/models-and-decals/ho-scale-decals

Also we have a restock on ART decals with the three logos for the yellow cars. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Cape Line Trucks

Eric Hansmann
 

Some of the Cape Line trucks are available through Bethlehem Car Works. 

And there are similar trucks available through Bitter Creek Models. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:57 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

I am in the process of digitizing a lot of paper files of model railroading articles and stuff I've collected over the years (and throwing out about 60% as stale techniques or of no further use to my interests). 

I ran across this catalog sheet for Cape Line trucks. These were formerly made by Red Ball, and I believe the line was later retooled in plastic by Eastern Car Works (correct me if I'm wrong about the latter). 

This might be worth keeping just as a guide to identifying some rather obscure trucks. It is certainly not complete by any means, but there are some here I've never seen anywhere else.

I miss Cliff Line and Central Valley trucks. Not as good as some we have now, but really nice for their time and heavy too since they were diecast metal.

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆
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Cape Line Trucks

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

I am in the process of digitizing a lot of paper files of model railroading articles and stuff I've collected over the years (and throwing out about 60% as stale techniques or of no further use to my interests). 

I ran across this catalog sheet for Cape Line trucks. These were formerly made by Red Ball, and I believe the line was later retooled in plastic by Eastern Car Works (correct me if I'm wrong about the latter). 

This might be worth keeping just as a guide to identifying some rather obscure trucks. It is certainly not complete by any means, but there are some here I've never seen anywhere else.

I miss Cliff Line and Central Valley trucks. Not as good as some we have now, but really nice for their time and heavy too since they were diecast metal.

Yours Aye


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Buster Keaton again

David Wiggs
 

I think these were giraffe cars.  If you look closely, you can see the word "Lionel" in the corner of the car end.
 
davo in Orlando


Re: Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

Richard Townsend
 

I believe the other cars are loaded with parts for penstocks.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 10:30 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)
A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:
The equipment was for the Kilbourn Dam in Wisconsin, which was completed in 1909.
The first and last car appear to be carrying turbine components.
Can anyone identify the other equipment?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

Douglas Harding
 

Looks to be C&NW

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

 

Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM64667

Perhaps someone with a better monitor than mine can identify the flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Jim Hayes
 

I do my on-line shopping at Burbank House of Hobbies. Vallejo is the the same price as Sprue Bros and their shipping cost are reasonable, at least to me. I usually buy 3-4 bottles when I order. Their search engine is crap though. It usually comes up with about 900-1000 matches but the one you want is among the 1st.

    Jim


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Kai Solvei
 

Thanks, good to know.

Here are two others:
MicroMark Depot Buff 29027X2 = Vallejo 71.107 US Interior yellow
MicroMark Steam power black 29012X2 = Vallejo 71.251 NATO Black

Kai Solvei
Norway

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: onsdag 29. juli 2020 05:51
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

I’ve been buying a lot of Vallejo paint lately as I get more used to it and I wanted to pick up a variety of browns and reds for rolling stock. MicroMark has boxcar red 29015X2. This is exactly the same as Vallejo 71.080 rust. MicroMark just stuck another label on it. Offering this email as a public service announcement so others don’t end up like me with three of the same color.🤦🏻‍♂️

Brian J. Carlson


Photo: URTX 12117 (1935)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: URTX 12117 (1935)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM9479

Awaiting a load of beer.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Dam Equipment Load On Flat Cars (Pre-1909)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM7990

The equipment was for the Kilbourn Dam in Wisconsin, which was completed in 1909.

The first and last car appear to be carrying turbine components.

Can anyone identify the other equipment?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tractors On Flat Cars (1911)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM64667

Perhaps someone with a better monitor than mine can identify the flat car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Ken Adams
 

I fell into this Micro Mark trap several years ago and bought several Vallejo Rust bottles mislabeled as Box Car Red. It was before Vallejo Model Color line became widespread.  I dilute them and use the color for rust weathering. 

I don't use model Air as I can no longer use an airbrush.  I have found  that Vallejo Model Color (hand brushable) Burnt Red 70.814 makes a very suitable FCR closely matching the wavelength to my eyes of Star Brand and TruColor Espee FCR. If you thin it with Vallejo acrylic thinner for air brush it may work. 

Lately I have found the best price and availability of Vallejo paints at Sprue Brothers which does not specially cater to the model railroad hobby.  I try to order about 10 bottles at a time to cover the shipping cost.  A lot of the colors in the Panzer Aces line are very usable for the grungy colors often seen on railroad equipment just days after leaving a RR paintshop and industrial structures.  
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: was Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars now LV car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Schuyler;

 

The LV well flat was definitely similar to the F49, but not exactly the same.  An extremely attractive car.  Also a GSI product.

 

It was not surprising to me that LV bought one, given its good relations w PRR staff, so a GSI car, which were very well-received on the PRR, was the choice.

 

It is not lost on me, also, that LV served Lukens Steel, a maker of many high & wide loads, requiring this kind of car.  Win-Win.

 

I used to have that brass model, but sold it to an LV guy because he was so in love with it.  Problem was, no decals.  I had to have my PRR decals custom-made.

 

I’ll see if I can find it.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

 

If I am not mistaken, the LV had a similar car.  I have a brass model that I’ve painted, though it’s in a box and I’ve not seen it for quite a while.

 

Schuyler

 

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