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Tru Color was ] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Andy Carlson
 

Bruce-

You may be suffering from the volitiles gassing off right past the lid (Tru-Coloe and AccuPaint use plastic bottles with often porely sealing lids. A real problem with AccuPaint over the years. Fortunatley for us, simply adding back the missing volume of thinner brings the paint back to 100% good.

I first tried AccuPaint in the 1990s and no other paint since, with the exception of automotive lacquers. I am not interested in learning any of the Acrylics, as AccuPaint (and now Tru-Color) are my favorites, truly "perfect" paints. You will need to use a primer before painting ant brass or resin. 22 pounds of air pressure and about 6 inches from the surface is a good place to start.You can thin to the point of being skeptical of your wisedom and the paint will still lay out well. Like most lacquers, under thinning will make you a hater.

Use the Tru-color thinner and clean with hardware store lacquer to keep costs down.

-Andy Carlson

On Friday, July 31, 2020, 11:35:38 AM PDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Don, Folks,

I used Tru-Color for the 1st time last night and today. There is definitely a learning curve with every new paint, but so far I'm mystified. I bought TCP-019, Santa Fe Brown, to paint a Bx-31 boxcar. This is supposedly a paint that needs no thinner. Using my Badger 200/210, I could not get it to airbrush at all. I added Tru-color thinner 1:1 and sort of got it to work but it was still really reluctant to flow. I tried at my normal 23 psi and at 30 psi. I did get the car painted and I like the finish, but I feel like it happened more by forcing it than by getting decent airbrush action.

Is it the airbrush? I can try my old badger 150 dual action, but I am reluctant because paint drying in the airbrush is clearly and issue.
Is it the PSI? I did see one post where the poster went to 35-40 psi.
Do I need to thin even more than 1:1?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

You bet, Don.

 

Manufacturers of tall loads did design things to fit the clearance diagram, but were constantly pushing the RRs to provide them deeper cars.

 

The most extreme of the “suspended load” concept, IMO, was the so-called “Schnabel” cars, which were designed to suspend big turbines between their two halves, the load being bolted to the car’s bearing surfaces.  Thus, doing away with the need for sides or floor.  Wild concept.

 

In your neck of the woods, the B&M serving the big GE plant on-line had a line of really cool well flats, from which the load was suspended on girders with feet atop the end decks.  Very cool.

 

I have an F&C kit built of that B&M car.  I love it.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 7:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

 

    Now I think you’re getting close to the mark Ron. I was wondering if anyone considered the fact that some loads for which a well hole car is needed are shaped in such ways that structural wood or steel bars or beams can be passed through them so they are actually supported but the deck while part of them hangs down through the hole created by the well. Has anyone considered this?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron, Schuyler, Don and others interested;

 

I got very interested in these cars from that initial photo submittal, and did some digging.

 

The cars did have a floor, but I have been unable to determine if it was removable in sections or fixed, or what.  The ORERs usually talk about “other”, if it applies.

 

Here is the description:

 

“Dimensions of well…as follows: at deck level – length 20 ft. 6 ½ in., width 6 ft. 2 ½ in.  depth from deck to well floor 2 ft. 3 5/8 in.  Well floor length 18 ft. 0 in. width 6 ft. 2 in.  These cars are equipped with wood loading floors.  Spacing between truck centers:  32 ft. 8 in.  Total wheelbase: 38 ft. 2 in.”

 

The numbers of cars varies over the years, but was 2 or 3 cars out of the series of 60000 to 60033, and in all ways other than the well, look to be the regular old flat cars these guys were converted from.

 

These appear to NOT be as-builts, but a shop conversion, perhaps for that one customer.  They are just too different from a purpose-built well car, which are very different from these cars from an engineering perspective.  Nice job, nevertheless.

 

The fact that they were blocked the way they were is not surprising, given the RRs concerns that folks would load them with the load concentrated on the floors and/or sides, which were the weakest, and next to weakest parts of the car, respectively.  If the load was heavy, it was either suspended on girders or beams, to put most of the load on the end decks, best, above the bolsters, the best place to put the load concentration.

 

I hope that answers some questions.

 

And, BTW, if you ever come across other photos of well or well hole, or most any other depressed flats, PLEASE send them to me on or off-list!

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 8:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

 

 

    Thanks for the PRR photo Schuyler. It proves exactly what I had posted earlier. I believe

The car in your photo has no floor at all and has no need of one. Look at how the short,

Cylindrical load is carried. It is “pinched”, if you will, by large timbers on the regular deck

of the car. Those timbers are then heavily braced to be sure the load cannot drop any lower.

To be doubly sure you will note that there is additional timbering just below its extreme

Height. Thus no floor was needed.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Tru Color was ] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Bruce Smith
 

Don, Folks,

I used Tru-Color for the 1st time last night and today. There is definitely a learning curve with every new paint, but so far I'm mystified. I bought TCP-019, Santa Fe Brown, to paint a Bx-31 boxcar. This is supposedly a paint that needs no thinner. Using my Badger 200/210, I could not get it to airbrush at all. I added Tru-color thinner 1:1 and sort of got it to work but it was still really reluctant to flow. I tried at my normal 23 psi and at 30 psi. I did get the car painted and I like the finish, but I feel like it happened more by forcing it than by getting decent airbrush action.

Is it the airbrush? I can try my old badger 150 dual action, but I am reluctant because paint drying in the airbrush is clearly and issue.
Is it the PSI? I did see one post where the poster went to 35-40 psi.
Do I need to thin even more than 1:1?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark
 

 

    Frankly I am so pleased to have Tru-Color paint available in even more colors

than my late friend George Bishop provided for us in his line of Accu-Paint that is

the exact same paint from the same supplier that George used after Floquil tried to

give him a hard time. I know that story all to well and never bought Floquil after

that. Tru-Color has expanded the line and offers the same great paint I’ve used since

George first offered it as the new form of Accu-Paint. Even Gordon Cannon used the

same Accu-Paint in Erie-Lackawanna Gray to paint all samples of his products before

photographing them for advertising purposes, suggesting that I do the same with the

NERS “Pullman Parts” line, many of which he cut the molds for and did the molding

before his untimely loss. So why put up with the hassle of trying to figure out what color

you are really getting when some supplier sells the same paint to several other sellers

each of whom put a different label on it? This is nonsense. I’ve never had such trouble

Tru-color and have been very pleased with the way it handles and helps me keep the

freight cars of my choice rolling our of the car shop properly painted. I’ve know very

few modelers who have learned how to use Tru-Color properly who have ever been

satisfied with any other model paint they have tried on resin or styrene models. Try it.

Learn how to use it properly and you’ll swear by it.

 

    No, I have no financial involvement with Tru-Color but would be lost without it.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Looking for...

Keith Retterer
 

All the WM builder's photos I have from that era are lettered with the road name only - no heralds.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956) now PRR cars

Donald B. Valentine
 

 

    Thanks for the PRR photo Schuyler. It proves exactly what I had posted earlier. I believe

The car in your photo has no floor at all and has no need of one. Look at how the short,

Cylindrical load is carried. It is “pinched”, if you will, by large timbers on the regular deck

of the car. Those timbers are then heavily braced to be sure the load cannot drop any lower.

To be doubly sure you will note that there is additional timbering just below its extreme

Height. Thus no floor was needed.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Re: Image of CP 238149 40ft ss box 1952 Lowell IN

Michael Aufderheide
 

Schuyler,

Alas, it was a bonfire! Tank cars in the train loaded with alcohol caught fire.

See:
https://monon.org/bygone_site/monon/mon.html

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Donald B. Valentine
 

 

    Frankly I am so pleased to have Tru-Color paint available in even more colors

than my late friend George Bishop provided for us in his line of Accu-Paint that is

the exact same paint from the same supplier that George used after Floquil tried to

give him a hard time. I know that story all to well and never bought Floquil after

that. Tru-Color has expanded the line and offers the same great paint I’ve used since

George first offered it as the new form of Accu-Paint. Even Gordon Cannon used the

same Accu-Paint in Erie-Lackawanna Gray to paint all samples of his products before

photographing them for advertising purposes, suggesting that I do the same with the

NERS “Pullman Parts” line, many of which he cut the molds for and did the molding

before his untimely loss. So why put up with the hassle of trying to figure out what color

you are really getting when some supplier sells the same paint to several other sellers

each of whom put a different label on it? This is nonsense. I’ve never had such trouble

Tru-color and have been very pleased with the way it handles and helps me keep the

freight cars of my choice rolling our of the car shop properly painted. I’ve know very

few modelers who have learned how to use Tru-Color properly who have ever been

satisfied with any other model paint they have tried on resin or styrene models. Try it.

Learn how to use it properly and you’ll swear by it.

 

    No, I have no financial involvement with Tru-Color but would be lost without it.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Refrigerator Load In Cincinnati Northern Boxcar S-3359 (1928)

Donald B. Valentine
 

    After counting the number of ribs in the end it appears that this prototype could be

easily duplicated from a Storzek/Des Plains NYC 1 1/2 door boxcar kit in only a few hours

time.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Seamless Pipe Fitting Load On GN Flat Car 60031 (1956)

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Now I think you’re getting close to the mark Ron. I was wondering if anyone considered the fact that some loads for which a well hole car is needed are shaped in such ways that structural wood or steel bars or beams can be passed through them so they are actually supported but the deck while part of them hangs down through the hole created by the well. Has anyone considered this?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Dick Harley
 

In case anyone missed the link to my SmugMug site in Steve Hile's thread about correcting PFE brake gear placement, I have put a lot of photos, drawings, summaries and explanations in captions in this SmugMug gallery:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFETrainPhotos/PFE-Wood-Ice-Reefers/Bettendorf-vs-Built-Up

The most interesting discovery was that the HO scale Tichy R-40-4 RR Design underframe is really only correct for the WP reefers built by ACF as R-30-13 clones.  Apparently Bill Gould used a WP car when he made his tooling.
The Terry Wegmann tooling for the RR Design underframe is correct for the R-30-13 and all the PFE rebuilds which have an RR Design underframe.

If you have any corrections to what's there, please contact me off-list.

Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: Photo: Thresher Loads On Flat Cars (1925)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Threshers On Flat Cars (1925)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM45458

This photo probably is a companion to the original posted photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Titan Tractors on Flat Cars (1916)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Titan Tractors on Flat Cars (1916)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM72966

Appears to be a C&NW flat car but number cannot be determined on my old monitor.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Unloading Sisal Fiber (1948)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Unloading Sisal Fiber (1948)

A photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM59422

It appears this commodity was baled and was light enough to fill a boxcar to the ceiling.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


B&O O-27 gons

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Do any of you know much about the B&O’s O-27 sub-classes of USRA gondolas?

 

I only saw them in their twilight years, when they were largely highly modified to keep them running, and were not in their prime.

 

Does anyone know when the brake systems were modified or replaced?

 

The ends?

 

What sub-classes got top chord reinforcements?

 

Was the O-27N sub-class the only one with replacement fixed ends?  Tie-downs?

 

I had done a good amount of research on these sub-classes back when I built a couple Westerfield kits, but have since lost that research. 

 

I’d like to know what to say when I am asked about those models I just got out of storage, since I was asked to show them.

 

TIA,

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Looking for...

Ray Breyer
 

Caboose 1200, ca.1910 - no logo
Boxcar 25611, ca.1918 - no logo
Boxcar 25560, ca.1915 - no logo
Boxcar 25500 (PSCC builder's photo) ca.1909 - no logo
Boxcar 25933 (ACF builder's photo) 9/1912 - no logo
Boxcar 26307 ca.1925 - no logo
Ballast car 1473 (ACF builder's photo) 1/1906 - no logo
Gondola 33382, ca.1920 - no logo
Gondola 35300, ca.1918 - no logo
Gondola 40000 (SSCC builder's photo) 1/1913 - no logo
Hopper 5252, ca.1930 - no logo
Hopper 8000 (SSCC builder's photo), 9/1911 - no logo
Hopper 14965, 1/5/1919 - no logo
Hopper 19659, ca.1935 - no logo
Hopper 19563, ca.1939 - no logo
Hopper 66516, ca.1923 - no logo
Stock car 23140, ca.1920 - no logo

The earliest dateable photo I have for any WM freight car with a herald is 1939.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 08:28:41 PM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


I’ve got a builders photo of a double-sheathed 36-ft WM boxcar with a fish belly center sill. It’s a Standard Steel Car Company product built in 1905. There isn’t an emblem on the car. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 30, 2020, at 8:12 PM, San Antonio & San Francisco <sanantonio-sanfrancisco@...> wrote:

Hey Y'all,

I need some help. I'm in the hunt for 1900-1914 Western Maryland rolling stock photos, in particular, boxcars, that have the Western Maryland Button Logo, which is the MW inside a circle. if you have a picture of any rolling stock, would you please kindly share.

Thank you,

Levi Matthews


Re: Rio Grande Models

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That’s regrettable.  I have an assembled ERIE rotary snowplow, and a yet-to-be-enjoyed Marion Shovel.  Nice, somewhat challenging kits with great results/

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Burgess
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Models

 

Not that I’ve heard of.

 

Jack

 

From: ] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Models

 

Has anyone bought the line?

 

Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works

 

 

On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 06:12:18 PM CDT, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes, closed and completely sold out.


Re: Photo: Unloading Logs On Flat Car (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Harry Nicholls commented:

"Also, note the cant of the rails to assist in the unloading to the dump side."


Re: Photo: Loading Oats Into Boxcars (1926)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for the cool image.
 
The boxcar closest to the camera seems like it might be .
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:08 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Oats Into Boxcars (1926)

Photo: Loading Oats Into Boxcars (1926)

A 1926 photo from the Wisconsin Historical Society:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM49124

Looks like the man in the wagon is shoveling oats into the conveyor.

The grain door is a bit different from many others I have seen.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] Looking for...

naptownprr
 

I suggest you contact the WM Historical society.


Jim Hunter


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] Looking for...
 
This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.

The WM boxcar book only has one image of a cat with the early WM emblem. It’s a fuzzy angled shot. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 30, 2020, at 8:12 PM, San Antonio & San Francisco <sanantonio-sanfrancisco@...> wrote:

Hey Y'all,

I need some help. I'm in the hunt for 1900-1914 Western Maryland rolling stock photos, in particular, boxcars, that have the Western Maryland Button Logo, which is the MW inside a circle. if you have a picture of any rolling stock, would you please kindly share.

Thank you,

Levi Matthews