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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] [Proto-Layouts] Hindsight 20/20/2.0 Registration is live

Ted Culotta
 

Working again.

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 8:31 AM Ted Culotta via groups.io <speedwitchmedia=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Sorry.... just updated something on the site and you all probably can't get to the site right now. Fixing....

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:28 AM Ted Culotta via groups.io <speedwitchmedia=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Flier attached. Please visit speedwitchmedia.com for the details.

I'm on vacation for a few more days so any queries may go unanswered for a bit.....

Thank you

Cheers,
Ted


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

mopacfirst
 

The NYC 498996 is a pretty standard GSI flat, except I'm not sure what's going on at the far end of the car in this photo (the end toward the boxcar).  The body casting has an overhang along its entire length, so it looks like something was welded on here to bring the surface flush with the top edge of the car, for a few feet adjacent to the left end.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Hindsight 20/20/2.0 Registration is live

Ted Culotta
 

Sorry.... just updated something on the site and you all probably can't get to the site right now. Fixing....

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:28 AM Ted Culotta via groups.io <speedwitchmedia=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Flier attached. Please visit speedwitchmedia.com for the details.

I'm on vacation for a few more days so any queries may go unanswered for a bit.....

Thank you

Cheers,
Ted


Hindsight 20/20/2.0 Registration is live

Ted Culotta
 

Flier attached. Please visit speedwitchmedia.com for the details.

I'm on vacation for a few more days so any queries may go unanswered for a bit.....

Thank you

Cheers,
Ted


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Here’s a couple more interesting NYC flats.  The screw load is also a hoot.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of D. Scott Chatfield
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

 

Eldon Gatwood asked:

 

> Forgive the late date of photo, but I do not have one in NYC days.  What does anyone know of this car in its early days?  Was it an NYC product? 

 

NYC 499064-499073, class 704-F, built DSI 1941

 

Scott Chatfield


Re: Express Car Movements

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Allan,

The WP had 15 "Merchandise Service" cars in series 220001-220200 that were used in restricted high-value service from the Bay Area to several Northern California cities. These cars were drawn from the boxcar series 20001-20200, given passenger equipment and a special green paint scheme.  The service ended around 1946 or 1947, and possibly some operated in general freight service before their special equipment could be removed. Or maybe some just got away. In July 1949 one 220001 car was still listed in the ORER, probably wandering around the country. This is admittedly odd, and even if all 15 cars were in general service before being shopped, it would have been a rarity to have seen one, and even rarer to find a photo. 

One of these 15 cars eventually entered MW service in the 1970s, and is now preserved at the Portola Railroad Museum. AFAIK, it is the only survivor the original 20001-class.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:45 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Would express freight such as"LCL, Overnight, reefers, etc" roam off of their home roads and if so, how far might they travel?

I am modeling a Southern layout c1955 and have some SAL Express Freight and Reefers  L&N express refers and NC&Stl express refers and some MONON express boxcar and trying to determine if they are appropriate on this layout.

Thanks

Allen Csin


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thank you, Robert!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of robertb@...
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 5:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

 

A builder's photo of the car in NYC is available from the NYC Historical Society. Low resolution version attached. 

Robert Bogie

On 1/08/2020 1:26 pm, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:

Eldon Gatwood asked:

 

> Forgive the late date of photo, but I do not have one in NYC days.  What does anyone know of this car in its early days?  Was it an NYC product? 

 

NYC 499064-499073, class 704-F, built DSI 1941

 

Scott Chatfield


Re: now NYC depressed well flat

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

A builder's photo of the car in NYC is available from the NYC Historical Society. Low resolution version attached. 

Robert Bogie

On 1/08/2020 1:26 pm, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
Eldon Gatwood asked:

> Forgive the late date of photo, but I do not have one in NYC days.  What does anyone know of this car in its early days?  Was it an NYC product? 

NYC 499064-499073, class 704-F, built DSI 1941

Scott Chatfield


More well cars PRR F25C

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

This interesting sub-class of well cars, the F25C, were rebuilt from “standard” F25 & F25A with the intention of getting a tiny bit more depth in the well, for a taller load.

 

This dropped the load perilously close to the rails, yet it worked as intended.

 

The as-built supports and flooring were removed, and replaced with steel plates just thick enough to support the loads spread on them.

 

The top of the flooring was only 8” above the railhead!

 

I have a brass F25 I painted and lettered years ago, and I love it, but F&C now offers the car in resin:  perfect for kit-bashing.

 

In pic 2, note the angle bracket supports for the steel cross-members, riveted at intervals along the bottom edge of the car.  An important detail.

 

This car has home-built timber supports for diagonal plate or tank head loading.

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Transformers and Runner to Skagit River Railway Powerhouse

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Richard;

 

Thanks for the fabulous photos!

 

Great GE depressed center flats!

 

The PRR car is indeed, a member of the PRR’s rare F37B well hole car fleet.  This is the exact type of load the cars were built for.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wilkens
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Transformers and Runner to Skagit River Railway Powerhouse

 

Here is a sequence of views of transformers and runner being delivered on the Seattle City Light Skagit River Railway in early 1950's.

View 01 - Here we have Skagit River Railway center cab diesel No. 7 with covered hopper of cement for Ross Powerhouse construction, GN gondola, two General Electric drop center flats with transformers and Pennsylvania well car PRR 470031. Train is travelling from Rockport, WA which was the connection with the Great Northern to Newhalem which is the base of operations for the Skagit Power project.

View 02 - At Newhalem the cars were turned over to electric locomotives for the trip to Diablo Dam. Here is General Electric 40001 at Diablo and it will be transferred to the incline railway up Sourdough Mountain.

View 03 - All materials to build Diablo Dam as well as Ross Dam and powerhouse had to travel up this incline railway at Diablo. The platform travels a 68 degree slope and gains 313 feet in vertical distance and is raised and lowered by an electric winch. Only one accident occurred on the incline when a gear tooth broke causing the platform to crash to the bottom. At the time the platform had a hopper car of gravel and it flipped over killing a man who was hitching a ride. After this no one was allowed to ride the platform if a rail car was being transported at the same time.

View 04 - After passing the top of Diablo Dam an electric locomotive would spot the car to be loaded on a two car capacity barge for the trip up Diablo Lake. A winch lowered the car on to the barge and a tugboat moved the barge to Ross Dam which is upstream.

View 05 - Nice view of the barge being moved by the tugboat Ruby 2.

View 06 - Barge docked at the barge slip at Ross powerhouse.

View 07 - Finally the transformer at the Ross Powerhouse site. The winch can be seen and their was also a small gas locomotive for spotting cars.

Rich Wilkens


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 80977 Well Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Really nice car, Bill!

 

I am also very fond of the C&O’s well cars.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 80977 Well Car

 

 



On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:

 

<P-2042-02 Runner 41 C_O 80977.jpg>

 

Thanks for that photo Richard.  Photos of that car are very, very rare.  Although it is unlikely that this car ever saw SP trackage it remains one of my favorites.  Although built over 40 years ago it still stands tall on my roster.

 

Bill Pardie


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thank you, Scott!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of D. Scott Chatfield
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] now NYC depressed well flat

 

Eldon Gatwood asked:

 

> Forgive the late date of photo, but I do not have one in NYC days.  What does anyone know of this car in its early days?  Was it an NYC product? 

 

NYC 499064-499073, class 704-F, built DSI 1941

 

Scott Chatfield


Re: Tru Color was ] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Schuyler,

 

     I think you are correct in that Accu-Paint and Tru-Color are actually a type of ink.

When Floquil began giving George Bishop a hard time he went to the supplier of ink

for his decals and they supplied the “paint” as well!

 

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Loading Oats Into Boxcars (1926)

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

And I might add a standard CPR Dominion Car, Claus, with a more heavily built grain

Door as Bob noted yesterday.

 

My best, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: Tru Color was ] Vallejo box car red from micro-Mark

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Bruce, Claus and all,

 

     I think you had in right, Bruce, in noting that every new paint has a learning curve. As noted

earlier, I’ve been using Accu-Paint since George Bishop first introduced it and have alsways been pleased with it. Since Tru-Color now offers the same paint have seen no reason to change. It took me some time to get used to Accu-Paint having used nothing other than Scalecoat and Floquil before. My first experience with an airbrush was at the MIT Model RR Club in 1967 under the tutelage of Andy Miller, whom many on this list know as Andy is here too. The airbrush was a Paasche Model H single action one which I found very easy and pleasant to use. I soon had my own and now have two of them. I do believe the make and model of airbrush can make a serious difference as each model, as well as make, seems to handle differently. I once tried a Paasche double action brush, for example, and didn’t like it. I’ve also know a few folks who began with Badger but switched to a Paasche and liked the Paasche better. YMMV. Pressure is also an important consideration. I use 35-40 psi of a compressor with a good sized tank that can supply that pressure continuously without fail. Having burned out a bearing on a diaphragm compressor years ago I have used a larger compressor that is needed for cleaning farm machinery and such ever since with a 5 gallon tank. That’s overkill to a degree but not when using my North Coast grit blaster or for other things. It should be noted that I’ve never had a problem with a Paasche airbrush clogging, especially when 35 psi or a bit higher is maintained. Thinner is another issue and I’ll not that I’ve noticed some minor differences in viscosity and fluid level in the bottle with Tru-Color that I don’t ever recall finding with Accu-Paint. Perhaps a call to Rick Galazzo of Tru-Color is in order. I reach him at 714-488-9779. I thin almost ever bottle with a mix of 90% lacquer thinner and 10% zylene give or take a bit just as I do with ScaleCoat. I haven’t painted in a bit but have some to do in the next few days and will update this report then.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Express Car Movements

Tony Thompson
 

Excellent summary. Thank you.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:59 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



You need to distinguish between express box cars and LCL service.

An express box car or express reefer would be in passenger service. So a train like a “fast mail” could have express cars from several railroads in its consist. PRR and B&O express cars ended up in Los Angeles.

LCL cars were in freight service. With the exception of some cars that were painted for company advertising, LCL cars were just cars. Those specially painted cars ended up being a pain in the neck to railroads when they came to an LCL transload facility, as the home railroad wanted to keep them on their own rails, which was not very practical. In the days before UPS and FedX, as many as 20% of the box cars on the railroads contained LCL shipments. These could be in anyone’s cars.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 5:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Express Car Movements

 

Would express freight such as"LCL, Overnight, reefers, etc" roam off of their home roads and if so, how far might they travel?

 

I am modeling a Southern layout c1955 and have some SAL Express Freight and Reefers  L&N express refers and NC&Stl express refers and some MONON express boxcar and trying to determine if they are appropriate on this layout.

 

Thanks

 

Allen Csin


Re: Express Car Movements

Tony Thompson
 

Excellent summary. Thank you.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:59 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



You need to distinguish between express box cars and LCL service.

An express box car or express reefer would be in passenger service. So a train like a “fast mail” could have express cars from several railroads in its consist. PRR and B&O express cars ended up in Los Angeles.

LCL cars were in freight service. With the exception of some cars that were painted for company advertising, LCL cars were just cars. Those specially painted cars ended up being a pain in the neck to railroads when they came to an LCL transload facility, as the home railroad wanted to keep them on their own rails, which was not very practical. In the days before UPS and FedX, as many as 20% of the box cars on the railroads contained LCL shipments. These could be in anyone’s cars.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 5:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Express Car Movements

 

Would express freight such as"LCL, Overnight, reefers, etc" roam off of their home roads and if so, how far might they travel?

 

I am modeling a Southern layout c1955 and have some SAL Express Freight and Reefers  L&N express refers and NC&Stl express refers and some MONON express boxcar and trying to determine if they are appropriate on this layout.

 

Thanks

 

Allen Csin


Re: Express Car Movements

Steve SANDIFER
 

You need to distinguish between express box cars and LCL service.

An express box car or express reefer would be in passenger service. So a train like a “fast mail” could have express cars from several railroads in its consist. PRR and B&O express cars ended up in Los Angeles.

LCL cars were in freight service. With the exception of some cars that were painted for company advertising, LCL cars were just cars. Those specially painted cars ended up being a pain in the neck to railroads when they came to an LCL transload facility, as the home railroad wanted to keep them on their own rails, which was not very practical. In the days before UPS and FedX, as many as 20% of the box cars on the railroads contained LCL shipments. These could be in anyone’s cars.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 5:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Express Car Movements

 

Would express freight such as"LCL, Overnight, reefers, etc" roam off of their home roads and if so, how far might they travel?

 

I am modeling a Southern layout c1955 and have some SAL Express Freight and Reefers  L&N express refers and NC&Stl express refers and some MONON express boxcar and trying to determine if they are appropriate on this layout.

 

Thanks

 

Allen Csin


now NYC depressed well flat

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Eldon Gatwood asked:

> Forgive the late date of photo, but I do not have one in NYC days.  What does anyone know of this car in its early days?  Was it an NYC product? 

NYC 499064-499073, class 704-F, built DSI 1941

Scott Chatfield


Re: C&O 80977 Well Car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:

<P-2042-02 Runner 41 C_O 80977.jpg>

Thanks for that photo Richard.  Photos of that car are very, very rare.  Although it is unlikely that this car ever saw SP trackage it remains one of my favorites.  Although built over 40 years ago it still stands tall on my roster.

Bill Pardie

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