On 08/01/2020 8:56 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

The NYC 498996 is a pretty standard GSI flat, except I'm not sure what's going on at the far end of the car in this photo (the end toward the boxcar).  The body casting has an overhang along its entire length, so it looks like something was welded on here to bring the surface flush with the top edge of the car, for a few feet adjacent to the left end.

Ron Merrick

On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:13 PM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:



if you have a copy of the 5/86 MM, 

there's a short article re the rr design,

basically it was a replacement for the

bettendorf frame  whose center sill

was prone to cracking

;-)

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 8:43 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 09:30 AM, Dick Harley wrote:

Terry Wegmann tooling for the RR Design

Dick, You've added a term I am not familiar with and haven't found on your great website (which I love).
"RR Design"  What underframe is this in reference to?
 Thx,
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RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA

On Aug 1, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Allen,

 And to add to this excellent summary ... there was a fad of painting up some 
regular box cars for "expedited" service.  The SP Overnight, B&O Sentinel,
GN Orange and Green, etc., etc., etc.
  All of the RRs actually started out using those particular cars in some
special service (usually on their own rails) ... and in about 2 years time
those cars became "any box car - any load" cars and the paint on them
was merely an advertisement.  And, frequently, they didn't actually
provide better service than any other even in their earliest years!
  Think "marketing that doesn't actually mean anything" and you have it.
A few RRs actually put considerable extra effort to provide the advertised
service ... but the realities were that it was too costly and there were so
many reasons why it wasn't really happening that they quickly 
abandoned the attempts. 
  It was quite common for one of these cars to find its way into a
regular freight - and when that happened the "special service" they
were meant to be providing was out the window.  Likewise, it was
likely that they would not be loaded with the 'right stuff' to justify
special handling and again the use of these "special" cars was
controverted.  Finally, as soon as one of those cars left the home
road's rails there was zero guarantee they'd get any kind of 
special handling.
  I am not talking about "express cars" - I'm talking about the 
regular box cars with special paint.  So if you are modeling the
correct year(s) and you want to use these cars - go for it - or
you can just use them in your regular service as "bright
shiny objects".  If you are into "era correctness" then you need
to consider the year that those cars were painted in that scheme
(even/especially if they aren't for "your" railroad).
                                                                                      - Jim 

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From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io

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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2020 2:18 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Flat Car 561679 Derailment (1959)

Photo: SP Flat Car 561679 Derailment (1959)

Courtesy of Steve Crise, a Chard Walker photo from the Pacific Railroad Society Museum archives of a derailment in San Bernardino.

Looks like a load of very large pipe segments. Some good detail of the load blocking.

Pacific Railroad Society Museum website:

http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/PRS_Museum.html

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Is there a readily available correct HO plastic alternative to the Tichy underframe? I

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On Aug 1, 2020, at 8:43 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 09:30 AM, Dick Harley wrote:

Terry Wegmann tooling for the RR Design

Dick, You've added a term I am not familiar with and haven't found on your great website (which I love).
"RR Design"  What underframe is this in reference to?
 Thx,
-------------------
RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA

[Edited Message Follows]

When the NYC Pacemaker b ox cars first went into service, they did not have the full AAR data on them required for interchange.  Only the Load Limit and Light Weight were shown below the car number. The were in captive, on-line service.  Within a few years the red and gray Pacemakers were released for interchange. In so doing, they usually got black (instead of the original white) reporting marks with full data for capacity, weigh station, date, cubic footage and car dimensions.  In that form, a NYC Pacemaker box car could show up in SoCal, as could a B&O blue and sliver Sentinel car, which had full data on them when new. 

The B&O blue with the orange comet "Time Saver" service cars were very few in number. The B&O Group when on Yahoo could only identify nine such cars from photos. None had sequential numbers and some sported a different roof color. These cars did not seem to last long in that livery, suggesting B&O did them up for advertising at special events such as state fairs in its service territory. When shopped, they were repainted in the standard freight livery.   Sentinels were maintained with blue and silver until the early 1950's, when B&O ordered that this paint job was no longer to be used and such cars when shopped were to be repainted in standard oxide red. A few cars not needing heavy repairs kept their Sentinel blue and silver into the late 1950's.     
Ed Bommer