Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Richard Townsend
I don’t know if they still do, but back in the 1970s on Navy ships they had 5 gallon buckets of blood that were used as a foamant in firefighting.
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On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
I can’t answer that question. My interests focused on what cars came in and out of a slaughter house, and what did they contain or what was their function, mostly so I could fill out waybills. Additional information makes for a good story during the clinic.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 8:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
So I guess this leads to the next question: if you wash out all that lanolin, presumably the left over urine/lanolin also has industrial value?
Does that go to a rendering plant? Or fertilizer maker? Or some other kind of chemical company?
Rob
On Aug 3, 2020, at 5:53 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:
You don’t think it’s washed several times in the process of making the sweater? Have you smelled pig urine when buying said sweaters? Likely not. Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
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Re: NYC 19000 series caboose color
Mark Rossiter
NJI published a few color books on NYC and NH cabooses in color. There are a number of color pictures in the Morning Sun books on NYC Passenger and Freight cars. I’m sure there are scads of color pictures available on the internet to serve as a references well. Somewhere in a past issue of the NYC ‘Headlight’ a formula for ‘in service’ cabooses was given and if I recall correctly, it was Floquil Boxcar red as Todd suggested, lightened about 10-15% with white, which does tend to take some of the ‘red’ out.
I realize the Floquil boxcar red is no longer produced, but there are a number of sources that cross reference Floquil colors to the newer paint manufacturers.
Mark Rossiter
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Robert kirkham
So I guess this leads to the next question: if you wash out all that lanolin, presumably the left over urine/lanolin also has industrial value?
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Does that go to a rendering plant? Or fertilizer maker? Or some other kind of chemical company? Rob
On Aug 3, 2020, at 5:53 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote: You don’t think it’s washed several times in the process of making the sweater? Have you smelled pig urine when buying said sweaters? Likely not.
Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone) On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
You don’t think it’s washed several times in the process of making the sweater? Have you smelled pig urine when buying said sweaters? Likely not.
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Kenneth Montero
Another good reason to wash/dry clean newly purchased wool clothing before wearing it.
Ken Montreo
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Oh you will regret. A prime use for hog urine was cleaning lanolin from raw wool. Think of that the next time you wear a wool sweater. It is also used in fertilizer.
Most blood was dried before shipping as blood is very corrosive to steel. Whole blood has to be shipped in glass lined tank cars. Blood was a rich source of protein used in animal feeds as well as in blood meal used as a fertilizer. Up to 30% is used in human consumption products, ie blood sausage, black pudding, baked goods, etc. Medicine and pharmaceuticals are another use.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 6:40 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
OK, much as wonder if I will regret it, I have to ask: what was the market for blood, and what was the market for hogs urine? I have packing plants on the line I model, bt have no insight about this tank car traffic.
Rob Kirkham
On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Claus thank you. You are correct that is a Decker tank car, used for various fats, like lard, and for blood and hog urine. The tank cars were gone by the early 30s, replaced by leased units.
Doug Harding
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Robert kirkham
OK, much as wonder if I will regret it, I have to ask: what was the market for blood, and what was the market for hogs urine? I have packing plants on the line I model, bt have no insight about this tank car traffic.
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Rob Kirkham
On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote: Claus thank you. You are correct that is a Decker tank car, used for various fats, like lard, and for blood and hog urine. The tank cars were gone by the early 30s, replaced by leased units. You cite two groups of Decker reefers, there were others. Doug Harding
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Re: Transformers and Runner to Skagit River Railway Powerhouse
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Richard,
Thanks for the great images.
The one depressed center flat car road number GE
40001, shown broadside on one of the photos, was a 90-ton car. I don't know
the year it was built, but it is listed in my Dec 1930 ORER, so it dates back AT
LEAST that far.
Claus Schlund
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Claus thank you. You are correct that is a Decker tank car, used for various fats, like lard, and for blood and hog urine. The tank cars were gone by the early 30s, replaced by leased units.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:32 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Hi Doug,
Certainly a nice image, good sleuthing that you spotted the retouching of the photo.
I like the Decker tank car, reporting marks might be JEDX 23. According to my Dec 1930 ORER, Decker has the following series of tank cars: JEDX 20-37 and JEDX 40-92
I also like the view of the Decker reefer on the far end of the image, looks like DMRX 2873, Decker had the following series of reefers: DMRX 2520-2544 and DMRX 2800-2904
Thanks
Claus Schlund
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
spsalso
Sure is odd that the streaks caused by removing the original lettering for retouching just happen to coincide with the new lettering.
What are the odds? Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Lifting A Flat Car (Undated)
Doug Auburg
The only crane operation I’ve seen (the crane, not the operation) was on the East Broad Top where they were switching between Std. Gauge and Narrow Gauge trucks. Presumably not the case here.
My question is different: How come the trucks remain attached to the car when freight trucks typically are held in place only by gravity?
Doug Auburg
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Re: NYC 19000 series caboose color
Armand Premo
Testors is now owned by Rust - Oleum .Many colors have been dropped from the line.Armand Premo ![]()
Dave,
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Re: NYC 19000 series caboose color
Rich C
I agree Dave. I like the NYC. I plan on getting a 19000 caboose from either the society or AMB down the road. I have a Funaro USRA caboose which probably was painted the same as yours. I agree the shade should be more brownish. I too will see what others say. Rich Christie
On Monday, August 3, 2020, 01:43:52 PM CDT, Dave Lawler <davelawler@...> wrote:
Thank you Rich. I forgot that I had noticed that color in their list but I was not sure, it appeared too red. I have always wondered if those NYC cars are really red or sort of a brown. I’m no a rivet counter but I’d like to get the color as close to the prototype as possible. Dave lawler
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Re: Photo: Lifting A Flat Car (Undated)
mel perry
marty; good catch, they mght have been chained to the bolster, but would need a clearer picture mel perry
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 12:57 PM gastro42000 <martincooper@...> wrote:
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Re: NYC 19000 series caboose color
Todd Sullivan
Dave,
Having lived in New York State for many years, and having modeled the New York Central for a while, my recollection is that the NYC freight car color was toward the brown side of the spectrum. I used the old Floquil "Boxcar Red" color on a brass caboose or two, and it looked pretty close to prototype. I looked up the NYC Historical Society site, and there is a series of 4 articles on NYC cabooses here https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/pages-from-1975q1.pdf . They also have links to various paint manufacturers' websites. I looked at the pages for Model Master Acrylics (as an example), and checked out their brown tones. It seems that the color would be closest to #4675 Rust (flat) or #4707 Earth Red FS30117 (flat), or a blend of the two. You might look here: https://www.testors.com/product-catalog/testors-brands/model-master/acrylic-paint/bottles . Todd Sullivan
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Re: Photo: Lifting A Flat Car (Undated)
gastro42000 <martincooper@...>
hi all:correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the trucks come off. Marty Cooper
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Re: Photo: Lifting A Flat Car (Undated)
Todd Sullivan
And the two men 'standing underneath the car' are definitely further back than under the car. Even in pre-OSHA days, no railroad employee would be negligent enough to stand under a car suspended from a crane.
Todd Sullivan (who used to dodge transit cars being lifted and swung end-for-end at Alstom Hornell)
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Re: Photo: Lifting A Flat Car (Undated)
Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 10:48 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Seriously, does anyone know why this might have been done?The crane looks new; the track it runs on certainly looks like it was just installed. The flatcar appears to be loaded with something, maybe flat steel plate. I'd hazard a guess that this is the test lift for certification of the crane, Dennis Storzek
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Re: Oscar Mayer Freight Car taken in 1931
Tony Thompson
Speaking of modified builder photos -- I always enjoyed photos from the latter years at Pacific Car & Foundry, when builder photos were taken in a dirt-surfaced yard, then a negative of a patch of lawn was stripped into the foreground, right up to the rail the car was on.
Tony Thompson
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