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Re: Freight car progress

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you, Keith! I bought a print of #4500 from you about 15 years ago. It inspired the MDC conversion. 

BTW, I have your photo catalog from then. Are the listings still current? If so, can you send me your updated prices in an off-list email? I need to catch up on several prints. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Keith Retterer <rettererk56@...> wrote:

The BR&P boxcar photos I have are the builder's photos from 1909 and 1914.  I don't have any in-service 1920's photos.  But here are the two from the SSCC photographer in Butler, PA.
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Re: Freight car progress

O Fenton Wells
 

Eric when did the BR&P disappear and into which railroad did it get absorbed by?
Fenton

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:01 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
And the TM cars are 40-ft while all the BR&P prototypes were 36-ft cars. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Gary Laakso wrote:
"The bottom sill sure has the ear marks of a Train Miniature boxcar."

...except the one on BR&P 4500 is inset, and the one on the Train-Miniature DS boxcar protrudes beyond the sheathing, making the model look wrong.


Ben Hom



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Re: Freight car progress

Eric Hansmann
 

And the TM cars are 40-ft while all the BR&P prototypes were 36-ft cars. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Gary Laakso wrote:
"The bottom sill sure has the ear marks of a Train Miniature boxcar."

...except the one on BR&P 4500 is inset, and the one on the Train-Miniature DS boxcar protrudes beyond the sheathing, making the model look wrong.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

Douglas Harding
 

I would second the suggestion the gons contain forms for concrete work. Look like larger versions of the forms I remember using when pouring foundation walls.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

 

Those could very well literally be 'forms' for concrete work, either for a retaining wall (dike or levee) or a large formed concrete structure.  Could have been something being constructed at the time of the explosion.  Texas City and the areas near Galveston have had levees for a long time, and they use concrete walls in areas where there isn't room for an earthen dike, and sometimes there was a concrete wall at the core of an earthen levee.

Ron Merrick


Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

gary laakso
 

I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

 

https://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Freight car progress

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary Laakso wrote:
"The bottom sill sure has the ear marks of a Train Miniature boxcar."

...except the one on BR&P 4500 is inset, and the one on the Train-Miniature DS boxcar protrudes beyond the sheathing, making the model look wrong.


Ben Hom
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Re: Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

Richard Townsend
 

The one just beyond that has a different type of curved roof: concave.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

The curved rood boxcar next to the #3 on the print, very likely is Northern Pacific.
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock
 
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)
 
Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)
A photo from the Portal To Texas History website:
Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Site of the Texas City disaster.
Can anyone identify the loads with more specificity? Caption says "large forms".
Thanks
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

mopacfirst
 

Those could very well literally be 'forms' for concrete work, either for a retaining wall (dike or levee) or a large formed concrete structure.  Could have been something being constructed at the time of the explosion.  Texas City and the areas near Galveston have had levees for a long time, and they use concrete walls in areas where there isn't room for an earthen dike, and sometimes there was a concrete wall at the core of an earthen levee.

Ron Merrick


Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)

A photo from the Portal To Texas History website:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1029453/m1/1/?q=depot

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Location not stated.

Reporting marks H&TC and A&NW visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

gary laakso
 

The curved rood boxcar next to the #3 on the print, very likely is Northern Pacific.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

 

Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

A photo from the Portal To Texas History website:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth11869/m1/1/?q=freight%20yard

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Site of the Texas City disaster.

Can anyone identify the loads with more specificity? Caption says "large forms".

Thanks

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NYC Boxcar 177331 (1950)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Boxcar 177331 (1950)

A photo from the Portal To Texas History website:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1242734/m1/1/?q=warehouse

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Built 1945.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Brick Factory With Boxcars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Brick Factory With Boxcars (Undated)

A photo from the Portal To Texas History website:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth25058/m1/1/?q=factory

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Location not stated.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

A photo from the Portal To Texas History website:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth11869/m1/1/?q=freight%20yard

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Site of the Texas City disaster.

Can anyone identify the loads with more specificity? Caption says "large forms".

Thanks

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Freight car progress

gary laakso
 

The bottom sill sure has the ear marks of a Train Minatare boxcar.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Retterer
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight car progress

 

The BR&P boxcar photos I have are the builder's photos from 1909 and 1914.  I don't have any in-service 1920's photos.  But here are the two from the SSCC photographer in Butler, PA.


Re: Freight car progress

Keith Retterer
 

The BR&P boxcar photos I have are the builder's photos from 1909 and 1914.  I don't have any in-service 1920's photos.  But here are the two from the SSCC photographer in Butler, PA.


Re: Freight car progress

Keith Retterer
 

Mine is the "Time-Out Tray".


Re: Photo: SFRD Stainless Steel Reefer 13000

Edward
 

Thank you for the good word!
I believe the thee-rod plug door was the original.
Lots more moving parts on it perhaps led to a simpler design replacement door.
Maybe done when the car was painted in standard colors and renumbered?

Ed Bommer


Re: Photo: SFRD Stainless Steel Reefer 13000

Scott
 

My understanding at some point they replaced the door with a more conventional plug door.  Is the proto photo the original or replacement door?

Fantastic model Ed!

Scott McDonald


Re: Block of cars

Robert Allan
 

No historical context here, but on the Missouri Pacific (and subsequently the Union Pacific) the car scheduling system used "Yard Block" (YBLK) as a term since the 1960's. The classification of a shipments characteristics in the the hierarchy of yard block definitions was a first step in the scheduling process. Still is as far as I know.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: Block of cars

Rufus Cone
 

Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> asked:

Anyone know when the term ”Block”, describing a set of cars headed to the same location, came into general use?  Or whether that concept is in use outside of North America?  Similar question regarding lcomotives, where I recall hearing the term “lashup” to refer to a set of locos.  Or are these just railfan/model railroader terms?
John H. Armstrong in The Railroad What it Is, What It Does, 3rd Ed. Simmons-Boardman, 1990, page 169, says, "The next step in terminal operations is to assemble the cars from various sources into blocks ... headed for individual destinations; ...."  This is in Ch 12 entitled Classification and Blocking.

Coughlin, Freight Car Distribution, 1956 gives a specific example of blocking from the B&O.

You might try these, but the pdf's are not searchable.

  • Railroad Freight Transporation, Loree, 1922
  • Freight terminals and trains, Droege, 1912, available on Internet Archive and elsewhere online and published in multiple editions.

A Google search on "locomotive consist" gives a "consist" discussion like that mentioned by Richard Townsend

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/135239/1516637.aspx

along with a lot of official looking railroad industry web pages.

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Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT