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Re: Photo: SFRD Stainless Steel Reefer 13000
Keith Jordan, one of the authors of the Santa Fe ice bunker reefer book, commented: "...the car was never painted in standard colors. The late ca.1963-4 photo we used in the Reefer book shows the car in it’s original stainless steel. There is the photo of the renumbered car (4150) with the Super Chief slogan side and it appears that the car numbers and some of the data were “patch painted,” which could have been SFRD color or maybe just some aluminum paint as background. Without digging out the book again, if I remember correctly, the door was replaced early on. Ed’s model is very nicely done!" Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Block of cars
C J Wyatt
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 02:47 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:
If you go back to early in the 20th Century, you will see more talk about "classification" than "blocking", but there really is not much difference. Also in Droege Freight Terminals & Trains, you will find mention of a gravity yard built in Germany in 1846, so I think the Europeans understood the concept of classification in the mid-19th Century. Droege talks a lot about classification, but scanning the yard section, I did not see mention of "blocking". However my search was far from comprehensive. My wild ass guess is that in the USA with the emphasis on fast freight in the 1920s, "blocking" came in use as a term which the shipping public more easily understood. But like I said .... If anyone can come up with the first usage of the term blocking, I'd like to know myself, but it probably post-dates the concept of "classification" Jack Wyatt
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Jeff Helm
I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off. He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.
Regards -- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Jeff Helm
Here’s a post from Ed Hawkins on this list that I kept, regarding painting of ACF built Hooker tanks. Unfortunately I lost the date reference:
From AC&F bill of materials data, I provide the following information regarding HOKX cars. #221-222 built 3-40, lot no. 2030, 4,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. "Vita-Var" Pliolite Red used on ends and top of casing except center band. Black used on center band, dome, bottom of casing, underframe, and trucks. White stencils. #225-226 built 6-41, lot no. 2218, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103BW. Same scheme as above although builder's photo appears to be painted entirely black. I trust the paint specs to be the way the production cars were painted rather than the way builder's photos "appear" to be painted. #638-641, built 12-36, lot no. 1567, 6,000 gal. car, ICC 105A500. Same scheme as above. Barely visible in the builder's photo is the black center band. Not much contrast between the black and Pliolite Red colors. #215, built 10-37, lot no. 1742, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B, Same scheme as above. This bill of materials specified width of center band as 6'-5". #216, built 4-39, lot no. 1868, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. Same scheme as above. There were a few more cars that AC&F built for HOKX, but this is all that I've researched to date. I have no information regarding what "Pliolite Red" looks like. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins -- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Jeff Helm
That’s interesting Tony, I’ve been looking for a good timeline on the changes with Hooker paint history. My information is mostly from photos. Curious, does the photo you reference have the block lettering or the “billboard” logo for Hooker?
i have seen b&w photos that show a two tone paint scheme with block lettering, but I believe those were red and black from previous threads in the subject on this list. Thanks -- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Tony Thompson
Jeff Helm wrote: Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s . . . I have a photo from the Richard Hendrickson collection of an orange and black Hooker tank (Tacoma) dated 1949. Don't know the paint history otherwise, perhaps someone on the list will. Tony Thompson
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Jeff Helm
Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s, original as-built in the 30s and 40s was black. In between there was a dark red and black. There are photos showing dozens of the Hooker orange and black tanks together in Tacoma and at Niagara Falls.
PennSalt had the brown originally, with the yellow and blue roughly the same time period as Hookers orange and black. More difficult to find photos of those. Not sure how many were painted that way but at least a few. -- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes
Eric Hansmann
Sad to say, but it’s the past tense now. The Resin Car Works Kit 16.0 PFE WP reefers are now out of production.
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The currently available kits are featured on this web page. More news will be coming soon. Eric Hansmann RCW web guy
On Aug 6, 2020, at 5:17 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes
WILLIAM PARDIE
I see that Resin Car Works is shipping the new Western Pacific PFE kits. I guess we will have to look closely at the underframes now that w)e have sortp of0 sorted them out. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)
mopacfirst
I, and perhaps some of the other list members, have been on that line. Not only does it still exist, but parts of it are a commuter line and other parts of it carry passenger excursion service (plus lots of gravel and stone). Today's railroad also includes one end of the former SP Houston-Austin line, built by the Houston and Texas Central, which was attached to this segment some time after the balance of the H&TC line east of Giddings was abandoned.
Ron Merrick
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Re: Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Howard,
Thanks for the additional ifo on these
cars.
There is a nice article covering the A&NW in
Mainline Modeler Aug 1999 pg58-60
Adding some additional info, the above article sez:
"The only standard gauge box cars built for the A&NW we 70 cars constructed
by Ensign in 1891. These were placed in the number series 7000-7069 and were
typical 34' 60,000 pound wood cars built at the time"
The article goes on to say "In 1915, there were 30
in revenue service, while in 1916 there were three"
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)
earlyrail
A&NW - Austin & North Western Part of the H&TC by 1905 and all relettered Series 7000-7069, 34ft in 1900 Howard
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Re: Freight car progress
Inquiring mind wanted to know Thanks
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:06 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Tony Thompson
gary laakso wrote:
These are all prototype schemes, but remember that most represent a handful of cars, sometimes only one. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 09:57 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:
I also agree. While most of the panel form systems for residential work were plywood, or plywood on a steel frame, A lot of the really big panel forms meant to be set in place with a crane were steel or aluminum fabrications. http://www.aluminumconcreteforms.com/crane_set_concrete_forms.htm Dennis Storzek
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Allen Cain
Would be nice if they included the built and shop dates. Allen Cain
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Re: Freight car progress
Not Eric, but B&O in 1932. Sitting at my desk in Buffalo, the B in BR&P
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Brian J. Carlson
On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Gary;
Maybe not so dazzling in real life, but my Hooker model is garish. I plan to knock that down considerably.
The less primary colored ones appear less bright.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 12:57 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:
Blockedhttps://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
Jon Miller
On 8/6/2020 9:57 AM, gary laakso
wrote:
I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors: Notice they are now in 2
packs down from initial release of 4 packs. Way back I
thought the Hooker should be black but lots of emails, the
orange is correct. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars
These mostly appear to be new numbers on schemes already run.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:57 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
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