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Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

John Barry
 

Bob,

That number is in fact, a Bx-O, 11 of which remained in the series 32343-35199 in Jan 45.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 03:46:24 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SFRD Questions

gary laakso
 

Thank you Jim and Bruce. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

#1 Yes

#2 Yes

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: SFRD Questions

Steve SANDIFER
 

#1 Yes

#2 Yes

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Summer TKM, #113, 2020, is now available!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


The Summer, 2020 issue (#113) of The Keystone Modeler is now available on the PRRT&HS web site at: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm


A gentle reminder - If you don't see the issue listed, reload the web page so as to refresh your cache.


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith, Assistant webmaster, PRRT&HS



Re: SFRD Questions

Bruce Smith
 

Gary,

The brake lever location is relatively common with top acting uncoupling devices, at least on rebuilt cars (note that this is a rebuilt USRA reefer, iirc. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:07 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: SFRD Questions

Bruce Smith
 

Andy,

Yes, these are classic sill steps for a rebuilt car where the body is wider than the old under frame. The most likely explanation for the ladder ends is that they are bent under to prevent snagging brake men's clothing due to the location of the sill step.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
 
Is that a foot step under where the ladder is curled under.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Frisco Hopper 88447 (1954)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:20 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc218238/?q=freight%20car

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

A wreck photo showing some underbody detail and the "B" end.

Is it possible that the side panels were added to this car after it was built?

Yes. Those are the Union Metal Products replacement sides with integral stakes. You'll notice that each stake looks like an I beam; they are actually the edge of the pressed panel bent outward with a second bend to form the flange. After each pair of sheets were fitted and riveted in place a weld bead was run on the edge both inside and out to unify the bent flanges into a structural member. The Accurail panel side car models this construction.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SFRD Questions

 

Is that a foot step under where the ladder is curled under.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)

David Soderblom
 

I’m guessing the containers were “experimental” because they were transitioning from wood crates.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA







Re: SFRD Questions

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Gary,

 

I don’t know for certain, but I looked through the Santa Fe Society’s Refrigerator book to look for examples.

 

On the RR-8 (wood sides and ends) the ladders conform to the shape noted, however the uncoupling lever support is just to the right of the poling pocket and slightly above it. P 108 in the book

 

RR-19 rebuilds (metal sides and ends) the ladders conform to the shaped noted and the uncoupling lever support is above the poling pocket. P. 132 in the book.

 

RR-36 rebuilds (metal sides and ends) the ladders curl in at the top, but not at the bottom and the uncoupling lever support is below the poling pocket. P 148 in the book.

 

It looks like the answer will vary by the age and class of the cars. If you have a specific class of car in mind let me know and I will check the SFH&MS book.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 10:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Photo: C&A Boxcar 17440 (Circa 1932)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&A Boxcar 17440 (Circa 1932)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1121607/?q=freight%20car

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1122503/?q=fruit

Photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

There is a lot of information in this photo.

PFE 5706 is a Class R-40-23 car, first placed in service in 1947.

Note the stenciling on the doors and the printing on the boxes.

Blue Goose (American Fruit Growers Co-Op) Ventura Maid lemons in cardboard boxes. This 1951 date is a few years before Sunkist converted to cardboard shipping containers. Note the printing "One-Half Standard Box". This was the typical size when the packing houses converted to cardboard shipping containers.

Also note the printing "Experimental Container" on several boxes.

Another view:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1118291/m1/1/?q=fruit

Stencil: "Floor Racks In This Car Not Safe For Lift Truck Operation"

Stencil: "Air Circulating Fans"

Ventura Maid lemons were packed by the Ventura Pacific Company in Montalvo (now Ventura), CA in a packing house served by the Southern Pacific.

Crate label, pre-cardboard box

http://www.venturapacific.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/venturamaid.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Pool Car Distribution?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 06:47 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

The sign on the building reads, "Pool Car Distribution".

Can someone elaborate on this?

I assume you are asking about the term "pool car" and not the building? I suspect it refers to the practice of a shipper loading freight for multiple customers on the same car, which was consigned to the cold storage warehouse where each customer could claim his portion of the shipment.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Pool Car Distribution?

Bob Chaparro
 

It's gone. As the description had an address I was able to do a Google Street View search.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: The Gateway to Oklahoma History Website (Making Corrections)

Kenneth Montero
 

Bob,

Thank you for helping make the historical records more accurate.

Ken Montero

On 08/09/2020 12:00 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


The Gateway to Oklahoma History Website (Making Corrections)

As some of you know, I have posted railroad photographs from that website (https://gateway.okhistory.org/) on this group.

In some instances, the captions and descriptions have been questionable as the writers generally do not have the expertise and background of members on this group.

Yesterday I found such an instance of a mistaken caption for something about which I had better information. I submitted my information and the caption was corrected within twenty-four hours.

If you spot any mistakes in photo captions and descriptions, each photo is accompanied by a "Contact Us" box at the bottom which you can use to suggest a correction.

Bob Chaparro


Hemet, CA



Re: New Decals announced

hubert mask
 

Thank you.


On Aug 9, 2020, at 9:21 AM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Try this:

Ron Merrick


 
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The Gateway to Oklahoma History Website (Making Corrections)

Bob Chaparro
 

The Gateway to Oklahoma History Website (Making Corrections)

As some of you know, I have posted railroad photographs from that website (https://gateway.okhistory.org/) on this group.

In some instances, the captions and descriptions have been questionable as the writers generally do not have the expertise and background of members on this group.

Yesterday I found such an instance of a mistaken caption for something about which I had better information. I submitted my information and the caption was corrected within twenty-four hours.

If you spot any mistakes in photo captions and descriptions, each photo is accompanied by a "Contact Us" box at the bottom which you can use to suggest a correction.

Bob Chaparro

 

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Photo: Brick Factory With Boxcars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

A comment I received from another group and another continent.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

This is a brick factory in Mineral Wells TX, served by the Weatherford, Mineral Wells & Northwestern Ry. (what a name!)

Best regards,

Mario

Nerac

France