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Re: inexpensive kit-bash
John Barry
Nice job Chuck. Thank you for the end view on the prototype. I too have a couple pairs of the spiral ends that I intend to modify the Intermountain car. We discussed these Monon cars a couple years ago. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Monday, August 10, 2020, 06:44:27 PM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
Group,
I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019. I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain. One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me. I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research. I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill. Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details. The decals are from Tichy.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars
Guy Wilber
Bob asked:
“My question is, when did the stenciling of car types on freight cars become mandatory?” 1959 AAR Interchange Rules: Rule 3, Section (s), Paragraph (9) Stenciling: AAR mechanical designation required on all cars (except tank cars) built new, rebuilt or repainted on or after January 1, 1959. From owners. This stenciling shall be applied on the same line and directly to the right of nominal capacity marking in three in letters. Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: inexpensive kit-bash
Eric Hansmann
Looking good, Chuck! Another modeler has used the same car end print on an Intermountain USRA gon.
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I think your model was originally a Proto1000 release. Finding it for $1 is pretty lucky! Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Aug 10, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
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Re: inexpensive kit-bash
Chuck, Great touch with an unusual bash. Well Done Fenton
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:44 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
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inexpensive kit-bash
Chuck Cover
Group,
I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019. I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain. One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me. I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research. I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill. Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details. The decals are from Tichy.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars
Bill Welch
Cars owned and operated by the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX System were never stenciled to indicate they were "RS" types.
Bill Welch
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Photo: Helium Cars At Keyes Plant (1959)
Photo: Helium Cars At Keyes Plant (1959) A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website: https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc359288/m1/1/?q=helium Photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Not much detail but note that none of the cars appear to be coupled to each other. Perhaps this is to allow access to the end doors? The Keyes plant went into operation in November 1959. In 1982 the plant was dismantled. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Grain Sack On Flat Car (Undated)
Photo: Grain Sack On Flat Car (Undated) A photo from the Museum of Ventura County https://photographs.venturamuseum.org/items/show/2165 Click on the photo to enlarge it. Port Hueneme did a fairly good business before Los Angeles' port facilities were developed. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars
I've been told that during most of World War II and for a period thereafter, the Office of Defense Transportation initiated measures effecting the national pool of freight cars. To obtain maximum service from a limited supply of equipment, the ODT required, among other things, pooling of refrigerator cars. By ordering the pooling of reefers, particularly the RS types, the intent was reduce empty movement and improve fleet efficiency. The ODT order was implemented by Interstate Commerce Commission service orders. Attempts were made to have roads east of Chicago assemble solid blocks of empty RS reefers of whatever western ownership and move these empties expeditiously to the West Coast for reloading. This was not entirely successful because car types were not yet stenciled on all cars, and in yards choked with war traffic clerks couldn't afford the time to look up every car in the ORER. Time was lost in Chicago switching out non-RS reefers from these blocks, and some non-RS cars even made it to California terminals before being turned back. My question is, when did the stenciling of car types on freight cars become mandatory? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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RI boxcar (was Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated) )
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi List Members,
Looking at the RI boxcar that also appears in this
image, I would say it is numbered in the 41XXX range somewhere.
That would put it in this slot of cars according to
my Dec 1930 ORER:
Stl. Underfr. Z-Bar series 40700-42199 40ft IL 8ft
6in IW 8ft 1in IH 80,000 lbs 1477 cars
Thanks Bob for the great links!
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)
John Barry
Bob, That number is in fact, a Bx-O, 11 of which remained in the series 32343-35199 in Jan 45. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 03:46:24 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma. The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave. It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated) A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website: https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour Photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O. An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: SFRD Questions
gary laakso
Thank you Jim and Bruce.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
#1 Yes #2 Yes
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: SFRD Questions
Steve SANDIFER
#1 Yes #2 Yes
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Summer TKM, #113, 2020, is now available!
Folks,
The Summer, 2020 issue (#113) of The Keystone Modeler is now available on the PRRT&HS web site at: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
A gentle reminder - If you don't see the issue listed, reload the web page so as to refresh your cache.
Bruce Bruce Smith, Assistant webmaster, PRRT&HS
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Re: SFRD Questions
Gary,
The brake lever location is relatively common with top acting uncoupling devices, at least on rebuilt cars (note that this is a rebuilt USRA reefer, iirc.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:07 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: SFRD Questions
Andy,
Yes, these are classic sill steps for a rebuilt car where the body is wider than the old under frame. The most likely explanation for the ladder ends is that they are bent under to prevent snagging brake men's clothing due to the location of the sill step.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:25 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions Is that a foot step under where the ladder is curled under.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA
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Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)
One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma. The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave. It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated) A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website: https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour Photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O. An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Frisco Hopper 88447 (1954)
Dennis Storzek
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:20 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Yes. Those are the Union Metal Products replacement sides with integral stakes. You'll notice that each stake looks like an I beam; they are actually the edge of the pressed panel bent outward with a second bend to form the flange. After each pair of sheets were fitted and riveted in place a weld bead was run on the edge both inside and out to unify the bent flanges into a structural member. The Accurail panel side car models this construction. Dennis Storzek
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Re: SFRD Questions
Is that a foot step under where the ladder is curled under. Andy Jackson Santa Fe Springs CA
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Re: Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)
David Soderblom
I’m guessing the containers were “experimental” because they were transitioning from wood crates.
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