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Photo: Helium Cars At Keyes Plant (1959)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Helium Cars At Keyes Plant (1959)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc359288/m1/1/?q=helium

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Not much detail but note that none of the cars appear to be coupled to each other. Perhaps this is to allow access to the end doors?

The Keyes plant went into operation in November 1959. In 1982 the plant was dismantled.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Grain Sack On Flat Car (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Grain Sack On Flat Car (Undated)

A photo from the Museum of Ventura County

https://photographs.venturamuseum.org/items/show/2165

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Port Hueneme did a fairly good business before Los Angeles' port facilities were developed.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

I've been told that during most of World War II and for a period thereafter, the Office of Defense Transportation initiated measures effecting the national pool of freight cars. To obtain maximum service from a limited supply of equipment, the ODT required, among other things, pooling of refrigerator cars.

By ordering the pooling of reefers, particularly the RS types, the intent was reduce empty movement and improve fleet efficiency. The ODT order was implemented by Interstate Commerce Commission service orders.

Attempts were made to have roads east of Chicago assemble solid blocks of empty RS reefers of whatever western ownership and move these empties expeditiously to the West Coast for reloading.

This was not entirely successful because car types were not yet stenciled on all cars, and in yards choked with war traffic clerks couldn't afford the time to look up every car in the ORER.

Time was lost in Chicago switching out non-RS reefers from these blocks, and some non-RS cars even made it to California terminals before being turned back.

My question is, when did the stenciling of car types on freight cars become mandatory?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


RI boxcar (was Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated) )

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
Looking at the RI boxcar that also appears in this image, I would say it is numbered in the 41XXX range somewhere.
 
That would put it in this slot of cars according to my Dec 1930 ORER:
 
Stl. Underfr. Z-Bar series 40700-42199 40ft IL 8ft 6in IW 8ft 1in IH 80,000 lbs 1477 cars
 
Thanks Bob for the great links!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: John Barry
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

Bob,

That number is in fact, a Bx-O, 11 of which remained in the series 32343-35199 in Jan 45.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 03:46:24 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

John Barry
 

Bob,

That number is in fact, a Bx-O, 11 of which remained in the series 32343-35199 in Jan 45.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 03:46:24 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SFRD Questions

gary laakso
 

Thank you Jim and Bruce. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

#1 Yes

#2 Yes

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: SFRD Questions

Steve SANDIFER
 

#1 Yes

#2 Yes

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Summer TKM, #113, 2020, is now available!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


The Summer, 2020 issue (#113) of The Keystone Modeler is now available on the PRRT&HS web site at: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm


A gentle reminder - If you don't see the issue listed, reload the web page so as to refresh your cache.


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith, Assistant webmaster, PRRT&HS



Re: SFRD Questions

Bruce Smith
 

Gary,

The brake lever location is relatively common with top acting uncoupling devices, at least on rebuilt cars (note that this is a rebuilt USRA reefer, iirc. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:07 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: SFRD Questions

Bruce Smith
 

Andy,

Yes, these are classic sill steps for a rebuilt car where the body is wider than the old under frame. The most likely explanation for the ladder ends is that they are bent under to prevent snagging brake men's clothing due to the location of the sill step.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
 
Is that a foot step under where the ladder is curled under.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Frisco Hopper 88447 (1954)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:20 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc218238/?q=freight%20car

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

A wreck photo showing some underbody detail and the "B" end.

Is it possible that the side panels were added to this car after it was built?

Yes. Those are the Union Metal Products replacement sides with integral stakes. You'll notice that each stake looks like an I beam; they are actually the edge of the pressed panel bent outward with a second bend to form the flange. After each pair of sheets were fitted and riveted in place a weld bead was run on the edge both inside and out to unify the bent flanges into a structural member. The Accurail panel side car models this construction.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SFRD Questions

 

Is that a foot step under where the ladder is curled under.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)

David Soderblom
 

I’m guessing the containers were “experimental” because they were transitioning from wood crates.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA







Re: SFRD Questions

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Gary,

 

I don’t know for certain, but I looked through the Santa Fe Society’s Refrigerator book to look for examples.

 

On the RR-8 (wood sides and ends) the ladders conform to the shape noted, however the uncoupling lever support is just to the right of the poling pocket and slightly above it. P 108 in the book

 

RR-19 rebuilds (metal sides and ends) the ladders conform to the shaped noted and the uncoupling lever support is above the poling pocket. P. 132 in the book.

 

RR-36 rebuilds (metal sides and ends) the ladders curl in at the top, but not at the bottom and the uncoupling lever support is below the poling pocket. P 148 in the book.

 

It looks like the answer will vary by the age and class of the cars. If you have a specific class of car in mind let me know and I will check the SFH&MS book.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 10:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Photo: C&A Boxcar 17440 (Circa 1932)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C&A Boxcar 17440 (Circa 1932)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1121607/?q=freight%20car

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Opened Doors Of PFE 5706 (1951)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1122503/?q=fruit

Photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

There is a lot of information in this photo.

PFE 5706 is a Class R-40-23 car, first placed in service in 1947.

Note the stenciling on the doors and the printing on the boxes.

Blue Goose (American Fruit Growers Co-Op) Ventura Maid lemons in cardboard boxes. This 1951 date is a few years before Sunkist converted to cardboard shipping containers. Note the printing "One-Half Standard Box". This was the typical size when the packing houses converted to cardboard shipping containers.

Also note the printing "Experimental Container" on several boxes.

Another view:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1118291/m1/1/?q=fruit

Stencil: "Floor Racks In This Car Not Safe For Lift Truck Operation"

Stencil: "Air Circulating Fans"

Ventura Maid lemons were packed by the Ventura Pacific Company in Montalvo (now Ventura), CA in a packing house served by the Southern Pacific.

Crate label, pre-cardboard box

http://www.venturapacific.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/venturamaid.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Pool Car Distribution?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 06:47 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

The sign on the building reads, "Pool Car Distribution".

Can someone elaborate on this?

I assume you are asking about the term "pool car" and not the building? I suspect it refers to the practice of a shipper loading freight for multiple customers on the same car, which was consigned to the cold storage warehouse where each customer could claim his portion of the shipment.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Pool Car Distribution?

Bob Chaparro
 

It's gone. As the description had an address I was able to do a Google Street View search.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

5781 - 5800 of 182469