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Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Michael Gross
 

Very nice, Chuck!
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Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Great job, Chuck!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"I need a little help from the ACL experts that might be on this list.

The model of a USRA double sheathed boxcar shown in the link below has a round ACL herald of a form I have not ever seen on any ACL boxcars before. I also checked my photo archive (admittedly not that extensive for ACL) and did not find anything like it on any ACL boxcars. Is this an accurate paint and lettering scheme, or is this a manufacturer's fantasy?"
https://www.ebay.com/itm/383664640942 

Richard Hendrickson once remarked that "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones" is certainly applicable to model railroading.  In this case, Bob Hundman ran a set of lettering diagrams with his USRA DS boxcar drawings in an early issue of Mainline Modeler, reprinted in one of the "The Best of Mainline Modeler" volumes.  The lettering diagrams are is full of errors, and cannot be trusted as a credible source.  Unfortunately, manufacturers (notably Ertl) followed these diagrams, and some schemes, including this ACL one, continue to persist.  At least one ACL expert swears this one is legit, but I've seen a lot of USRA boxcar photos, and haven't turned this one up. It's bogus until someone backs their talk.


Ben Hom




a little help from the ACL experts

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

HI List Members,
 
I need a little help from the ACL experts that might be on this list.
 
The model of a USRA double sheathed boxcar shown in the link below has a round ACL herald of a form I have not ever seen on any ACL boxcars before. I also checked my photo archive (admittedly not that extensive for ACL) and did not find anything like it on any ACLboxcars. Is this an accurate paint and lettering scheme, or is this a manufacturer's fantasy?
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Mont Switzer
 

John,

 

Chad Boas told me Shapeways offers the ends in their line.  Should be a drop in replacement.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 10:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

Nice job Chuck. 

 

Thank you for the end view on the prototype.  I too have a couple pairs of the spiral ends that I intend to modify the Intermountain car.  We discussed these Monon cars a couple years ago.

 

John

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

707-490-9696 

 

PO Box 44736 

Washington, DC 20026-4736

 

 

On Monday, August 10, 2020, 06:44:27 PM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

 

 

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

John Barry
 

Nice job Chuck. 

Thank you for the end view on the prototype.  I too have a couple pairs of the spiral ends that I intend to modify the Intermountain car.  We discussed these Monon cars a couple years ago.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, August 10, 2020, 06:44:27 PM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars

Guy Wilber
 

Bob asked:

“My question is, when did the stenciling of car types on freight cars become mandatory?”

1959 AAR Interchange Rules:

Rule 3, Section (s), Paragraph (9) Stenciling: AAR mechanical designation required on all cars (except tank cars) built new, rebuilt or repainted on or after January 1, 1959. From owners. This stenciling shall be applied on the same line and directly to the right of nominal capacity marking in three in letters.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Eric Hansmann
 

Looking good, Chuck! Another modeler has used the same car end print on an Intermountain USRA gon. 

I think your model was originally a Proto1000 release. Finding it for $1 is pretty lucky!


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 10, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

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Re: inexpensive kit-bash

O Fenton Wells
 

Chuck, Great touch with an unusual bash.  Well Done
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:44 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM



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inexpensive kit-bash

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars

Bill Welch
 

Cars owned and operated by the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX System were never stenciled to indicate they were "RS" types.

Bill Welch


Photo: Helium Cars At Keyes Plant (1959)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Helium Cars At Keyes Plant (1959)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc359288/m1/1/?q=helium

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Not much detail but note that none of the cars appear to be coupled to each other. Perhaps this is to allow access to the end doors?

The Keyes plant went into operation in November 1959. In 1982 the plant was dismantled.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Grain Sack On Flat Car (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Grain Sack On Flat Car (Undated)

A photo from the Museum of Ventura County

https://photographs.venturamuseum.org/items/show/2165

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Port Hueneme did a fairly good business before Los Angeles' port facilities were developed.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Stenciling Car Types On Freight Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

I've been told that during most of World War II and for a period thereafter, the Office of Defense Transportation initiated measures effecting the national pool of freight cars. To obtain maximum service from a limited supply of equipment, the ODT required, among other things, pooling of refrigerator cars.

By ordering the pooling of reefers, particularly the RS types, the intent was reduce empty movement and improve fleet efficiency. The ODT order was implemented by Interstate Commerce Commission service orders.

Attempts were made to have roads east of Chicago assemble solid blocks of empty RS reefers of whatever western ownership and move these empties expeditiously to the West Coast for reloading.

This was not entirely successful because car types were not yet stenciled on all cars, and in yards choked with war traffic clerks couldn't afford the time to look up every car in the ORER.

Time was lost in Chicago switching out non-RS reefers from these blocks, and some non-RS cars even made it to California terminals before being turned back.

My question is, when did the stenciling of car types on freight cars become mandatory?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


RI boxcar (was Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated) )

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
Looking at the RI boxcar that also appears in this image, I would say it is numbered in the 41XXX range somewhere.
 
That would put it in this slot of cars according to my Dec 1930 ORER:
 
Stl. Underfr. Z-Bar series 40700-42199 40ft IL 8ft 6in IW 8ft 1in IH 80,000 lbs 1477 cars
 
Thanks Bob for the great links!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: John Barry
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

Bob,

That number is in fact, a Bx-O, 11 of which remained in the series 32343-35199 in Jan 45.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 03:46:24 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

John Barry
 

Bob,

That number is in fact, a Bx-O, 11 of which remained in the series 32343-35199 in Jan 45.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 03:46:24 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


One of my friends on the Rock Island list identified this location as Ponca City Oklahoma.  The building is till standing and can be seen on Google Maps at 200 West Central Ave.  It is actually near the Santa Fe depot now BNSF.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 32402 (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc557703/m1/1/?q=flour

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Double-sheathed boxcar, possibly a Bx-O.

An unidentified Rock Island boxcar also appears in this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SFRD Questions

gary laakso
 

Thank you Jim and Bruce. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

#1 Yes

#2 Yes

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: SFRD Questions

Steve SANDIFER
 

#1 Yes

#2 Yes

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:08 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Summer TKM, #113, 2020, is now available!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


The Summer, 2020 issue (#113) of The Keystone Modeler is now available on the PRRT&HS web site at: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm


A gentle reminder - If you don't see the issue listed, reload the web page so as to refresh your cache.


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith, Assistant webmaster, PRRT&HS



Re: SFRD Questions

Bruce Smith
 

Gary,

The brake lever location is relatively common with top acting uncoupling devices, at least on rebuilt cars (note that this is a rebuilt USRA reefer, iirc. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:07 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions
 

Here is a picture of a SFRD reefer:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-May-Troop-Train-East/i-fGFffC8/A 

 

  1. Did all SFRD reefers have the ladder legs curl under the body and
  2. The uncoupling lever support is drilled over the push pole pocket was this common and I missed it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

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