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Re: Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)
A photo from the Tulare County Library:
I think the caption for this photo is seriously incorrect, as I cannot believe that no oranges were shipped from the San Joaquin Valley before 1946.

     I agree, Bob, but note that the TITLE of the photo is "first refrigerator car," not "first orange shipment." I think you are reading the expanded caption wrong.
     But of course SFRD 13000 is quite a long ways from the "first refrigerator car," unless perhapse they meant "first stainless steel refrigerator car."

Tony Thompson




Re: inexpensive kit-bash

James Brewer
 

Chuck,

Thanks for the feed back; much appreciated.

Jim Brewer


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Chuck and Jim,
 
I'm glad this topic was raised and discussed a little.
 
In N scale, we have far fewer decal options available than HO. AFAIK the entire Tichy decal line is available in N, so this makes them a significant pool to draw upon for my future projects.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Group:  Thanks for all the positive comments.

 

Jim Brewer asked:  How were the Tichy decals to work with?

 

I know that Tichy decals have been discussed previously on this list and some have said that they are too thick and hard to work with.  However, I have used Tichy decals for a number of projects when the kit does not come with decals or I want to letter for a different road.  I have found them to be easy to work with and they look fine to me on the finished models.  I use the same process as with other decal products.  Attached are a few photos of models for which I used Tichy decals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

A photo from the Tulare County Library:

https://californiarevealed.org/islandora/object/cavpp%3A177995

I think the caption for this photo is seriously incorrect, as I cannot believe that no oranges were shipped from the San Joaquin Valley before 1946.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:16 AM, Robert Chapman wrote:
Several years ago at Naperville, Chad Boas offered these spiral dreadnaught ends for sale
These are most definitely NOT Dreadnaught, and have no association with the Standard Railway Equipment Co., owner of the Dreadnaught name. Near as I can tell this was a proprietary design developed by car builder Haskell & Barker. I base this on the fact that all three groups of cars known to have these ends were built by H&B, and the fact that there are detail drawings in the H&B files now at the Pullman Library beyond what was typical for vendor supplied ends.

Dennis Storzek


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

golden1014
 

Hi Claus, there is zero photographic evidence that any ACL USRA SS cars were painted with a monogram like that. The rest of the paint and lettering at first glance APO pears satisfactory. John Golden


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Tony Thompson
 

Chuck Cover wrote:

I know that Tichy decals have been discussed previously on this list and some have said that they are too thick and hard to work with.  However, I have used Tichy decals for a number of projects when the kit does not come with decals or I want to letter for a different road.  I have found them to be easy to work with and they look fine to me on the finished models.  I use the same process as with other decal products.  

   I would agree, Chuck. I have not found them objectionable, though I would prefer not to have the (minimal) 3-D aspect.

Tony Thompson




Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Bob Chapman
 

Chuck --

Nice work, and brings back a modeling memory. Several years ago at Naperville, Chad Boas offered these spiral dreadnaught ends for sale, and I couldn't pass them up. The carbody is InterMountain (for considerably more than Chuck's dollar!), with the result attached.  

Monon had some fun rolling stock....

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Mont Switzer
 

Rene,

 

As far as I know those cars were painted freight car red like the old Floquil Boxcar Red.

 

It appears that a few cars were rebuilt after WWII for on-line quarry to mill service.  Those cars appear to be black.

 

Roster notes indicate all of these cars were off of the revenue roster by the end of 1949.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rene LaVoise
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

I recently finished the same kitbash using the an undec IM USRA gon as the starting point. The spiral ends available from Shapeways are a drop in replacement of the kits ends. Very easy conversion.

The car is waiting its trip through the paint shop and now have a question on what color would be correct for the late 1920s, Freight Car Red or Black?

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 06:29 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
In this case, Bob Hundman ran a set of lettering diagrams with his USRA DS boxcar drawings in an early issue of Mainline Modeler...
Far, far in antiquity, before Photoshop, before scanners, heck, before digital imaging altogether good art for railroad heralds (logos, monograms) was really, really hard to come by. There was a printed sheet, much prized by decal makers and the like, that reproduced two or three dozen assorted railroad monograms put out by the AAR in some of their promotional literature. It was practically "camera ready art" as was the term in those days. The only problem was, they weren't the heralds used on the cars, but rather "cuts" of the art used on time tables. Some of them were quite close to the stencils used on various company's cars, while others were totally different. I recognize that ACL herald from that sheet, also ACL public time tables from the sixties.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice build, Rene!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rene LaVoise
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

I recently finished the same kitbash using the an undec IM USRA gon as the starting point. The spiral ends available from Shapeways are a drop in replacement of the kits ends. Very easy conversion.

The car is waiting its trip through the paint shop and now have a question on what color would be correct for the late 1920s, Freight Car Red or Black?

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Chuck Cover
 

Group:  Thanks for all the positive comments.

 

Jim Brewer asked:  How were the Tichy decals to work with?

 

I know that Tichy decals have been discussed previously on this list and some have said that they are too thick and hard to work with.  However, I have used Tichy decals for a number of projects when the kit does not come with decals or I want to letter for a different road.  I have found them to be easy to work with and they look fine to me on the finished models.  I use the same process as with other decal products.  Attached are a few photos of models for which I used Tichy decals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Paul Doggett
 

That’s an unusual cars Chuck it looks really good.
Paul Doggett   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 11 Aug 2020, at 15:25, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

Very nice, Chuck!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Rene LaVoise
 

I recently finished the same kitbash using the an undec IM USRA gon as the starting point. The spiral ends available from Shapeways are a drop in replacement of the kits ends. Very easy conversion.

The car is waiting its trip through the paint shop and now have a question on what color would be correct for the late 1920s, Freight Car Red or Black?

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

James Brewer
 

Nice car Chuck!  How were the Tichy decals to work with?

Jim Brewer


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Michael Gross
 

Very nice, Chuck!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Great job, Chuck!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"I need a little help from the ACL experts that might be on this list.

The model of a USRA double sheathed boxcar shown in the link below has a round ACL herald of a form I have not ever seen on any ACL boxcars before. I also checked my photo archive (admittedly not that extensive for ACL) and did not find anything like it on any ACL boxcars. Is this an accurate paint and lettering scheme, or is this a manufacturer's fantasy?"
https://www.ebay.com/itm/383664640942 

Richard Hendrickson once remarked that "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones" is certainly applicable to model railroading.  In this case, Bob Hundman ran a set of lettering diagrams with his USRA DS boxcar drawings in an early issue of Mainline Modeler, reprinted in one of the "The Best of Mainline Modeler" volumes.  The lettering diagrams are is full of errors, and cannot be trusted as a credible source.  Unfortunately, manufacturers (notably Ertl) followed these diagrams, and some schemes, including this ACL one, continue to persist.  At least one ACL expert swears this one is legit, but I've seen a lot of USRA boxcar photos, and haven't turned this one up. It's bogus until someone backs their talk.


Ben Hom




a little help from the ACL experts

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

HI List Members,
 
I need a little help from the ACL experts that might be on this list.
 
The model of a USRA double sheathed boxcar shown in the link below has a round ACL herald of a form I have not ever seen on any ACL boxcars before. I also checked my photo archive (admittedly not that extensive for ACL) and did not find anything like it on any ACLboxcars. Is this an accurate paint and lettering scheme, or is this a manufacturer's fantasy?
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Mont Switzer
 

John,

 

Chad Boas told me Shapeways offers the ends in their line.  Should be a drop in replacement.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 10:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

Nice job Chuck. 

 

Thank you for the end view on the prototype.  I too have a couple pairs of the spiral ends that I intend to modify the Intermountain car.  We discussed these Monon cars a couple years ago.

 

John

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

707-490-9696 

 

PO Box 44736 

Washington, DC 20026-4736

 

 

On Monday, August 10, 2020, 06:44:27 PM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

 

 

Group,

 

I purchased an old Walthers gondola kit at the PRRT&HS for a dollar back in 2019.  I was not sure what I would do with it, but it was a bargain.  One of my operators had some Shapeways spiral gondola ends made and he gave a set to me.   I wondered if I could use them, so I did a little research.  I found a Monon gondola that I though fit the bill.  Not much to describe here, I built the kit substituting the Shapeways ends and adding some details such as some standard underbody brake and end details.  The decals are from Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

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