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Re: Meat reefer roofs

Brian Carlson
 

Nice photos. 

The red tank car is a Union Starch car out of St. Louis.  

Also, the 50 ft double door SOO Line boxcar is interesting. Too far to tell if it’s the same model RCW brought out. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

In August 1955 flooding from Hurricane Diane devastated the Pocono Mountain region of Pennsylvania, taking many lives and causing severe damage to the DL&W. Here are two photos posted to Facebook recently showing a train of (mostly) meat reefers trapped and partially toppled just east of Analomink PA. Interesting roof shot in the first one. The wider shot was taken from across the flooded area - the toppled cars in the first shot would be to the right of the area covered in the second shot. Note the bright red tank car to the far right in the second shot. Photos taken be Robert "Bob" Marsh and posted by Troy Marsh.

It was many months before the Lackawanna restored service. The meat reefers were loaded and once the ice ran out you can imagine what happened to the contents.

Tom Madden
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Re: Interesting cars on the left

Steve Summers
 

Or could it be the cars are the same and each car only had the one bulkhead end?  Not sure why only one end but otherwise the cars and tanks do appear Similar.


On Aug 14, 2020, at 11:32 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



The flat car next to the boxcar does not appear to have bulkheads.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting cars on the left

 

Bulkhead flats with tanks loaded on them, or a form of tank car?

 

Snipped out of an ebay listing, still open for bidding if anyone is interested.

 

Schuyler

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Meat reefer roofs

Tom Madden
 

In August 1955 flooding from Hurricane Diane devastated the Pocono Mountain region of Pennsylvania, taking many lives and causing severe damage to the DL&W. Here are two photos posted to Facebook recently showing a train of (mostly) meat reefers trapped and partially toppled just east of Analomink PA. Interesting roof shot in the first one. The wider shot was taken from across the flooded area - the toppled cars in the first shot would be to the right of the area covered in the second shot. Note the bright red tank car to the far right in the second shot. Photos taken be Robert "Bob" Marsh and posted by Troy Marsh.

It was many months before the Lackawanna restored service. The meat reefers were loaded and once the ice ran out you can imagine what happened to the contents.

Tom Madden


Re: Interesting cars on the left

Charles Morrill
 

I think each tank car has a compartment of some sort on the end that contains valves, hoses, gauges, or whatever control equipment for the fluid or gas that is contained in those tanks.

Charlie


From: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>, RealSTMFC@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 9:30:40 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting cars on the left

The flat car next to the boxcar does not appear to have bulkheads.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting cars on the left

 

Bulkhead flats with tanks loaded on them, or a form of tank car?

 

Snipped out of an ebay listing, still open for bidding if anyone is interested.

 

Schuyler

 



Re: Galvanized roofs

Mont Switzer
 

I have made the same observation as Brian.  All steam era roofs seemed dark.  I always attributed this to steam locomotive exhaust soot. 

As diesels took over freight cars seemed to stay cleaner and even brighter.  No soot.  Improvements in paint certainly helped this also.

Mont Switzer 



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From: "Brian Carlson via groups.io" <prrk41361@...>
Date: 8/14/20 10:32 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Galvanized roofs

In the steam era though you didn’t see massive amounts of peeling paint. At least not in the photos I’ve looked at. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, John Sykes III via groups.io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Yes.  Some did and some didn't.  Some paints would not stick to galvanized steel at first, so early roofs almost always had their paint peeling off, sometimes dramatically.  Eventually steel manufacturers came up with galvanizing processes that were more "friendly" to paint and paint manufacturers came up with paints that stuck to galvanized panels better.  Eventually, many carbuilders just left the galvanized roofs unpainted.

-- John


Re: Galvanized roofs

Brian Carlson
 

In the steam era though you didn’t see massive amounts of peeling paint. At least not in the photos I’ve looked at. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, John Sykes III via groups.io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Yes.  Some did and some didn't.  Some paints would not stick to galvanized steel at first, so early roofs almost always had their paint peeling off, sometimes dramatically.  Eventually steel manufacturers came up with galvanizing processes that were more "friendly" to paint and paint manufacturers came up with paints that stuck to galvanized panels better.  Eventually, many carbuilders just left the galvanized roofs unpainted.

-- John


Re: Interesting cars on the left

O Fenton Wells
 

What railroad line is this?


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:30 AM gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The flat car next to the boxcar does not appear to have bulkheads.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting cars on the left

 

Bulkhead flats with tanks loaded on them, or a form of tank car?

 

Snipped out of an ebay listing, still open for bidding if anyone is interested.

 

Schuyler

 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Interesting cars on the left

gary laakso
 

The flat car next to the boxcar does not appear to have bulkheads.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 7:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting cars on the left

 

Bulkhead flats with tanks loaded on them, or a form of tank car?

 

Snipped out of an ebay listing, still open for bidding if anyone is interested.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Galvanized roofs

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I think the greater prominence of peeling in those locations is that the car (and therefore the roof) flexes more at those points, and the “working” of the joints tends to crack whatever protective coating, car cement, paint, galvanizing, whatever, which permits the enemy, water, to penetrate to the victim, steel.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:26 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Galvanized roofs

 

And . . . it was common (in the era covered by this list) to coat the roof (and ends and underbody) with black "car cement" to prevent leakage.  This car cement was also prone to peeling off and sometimes was painted over if the car was repainted.  All this is responsible for the wide variety of weathering/coloring on the roofs of these cars for the modeler to ponder and replicate.

 

And . . . I was told once years ago that the peeling effect was more prominent at the ends and middle (doorways) of the cars.  This is because there was more likely to be empty space above the cargo at these locations thus greater heat build-up there.

 

Craig Wilson


Re: Interesting cars on the left

O Fenton Wells
 

Vinegar tank cars???
Fenton

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:10 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Bulkhead flats with tanks loaded on them, or a form of tank car?

 

Snipped out of an ebay listing, still open for bidding if anyone is interested.

 

Schuyler

 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Galvanized roofs

Craig Wilson
 

And . . . it was common (in the era covered by this list) to coat the roof (and ends and underbody) with black "car cement" to prevent leakage.  This car cement was also prone to peeling off and sometimes was painted over if the car was repainted.  All this is responsible for the wide variety of weathering/coloring on the roofs of these cars for the modeler to ponder and replicate.

And . . . I was told once years ago that the peeling effect was more prominent at the ends and middle (doorways) of the cars.  This is because there was more likely to be empty space above the cargo at these locations thus greater heat build-up there.

Craig Wilson


Interesting cars on the left

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bulkhead flats with tanks loaded on them, or a form of tank car?

 

Snipped out of an ebay listing, still open for bidding if anyone is interested.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Galvanized roofs

John Sykes III
 

Yes.  Some did and some didn't.  Some paints would not stick to galvanized steel at first, so early roofs almost always had their paint peeling off, sometimes dramatically.  Eventually steel manufacturers came up with galvanizing processes that were more "friendly" to paint and paint manufacturers came up with paints that stuck to galvanized panels better.  Eventually, many carbuilders just left the galvanized roofs unpainted.

-- John


Galvanized roofs

Brian Shumaker
 

A recent post on another forum discussed weathering of steel boxcar roofs and I queried if all cars had galvanized roofs. Why, does it seem, some cars shed their roof top paint and others didn't?  Did some car makers use galvanized panels while others did not?
Brian


Re: Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Fred Jansz
 

Impressive car.
Would love one in my reefer collection.
Is there a model?


Ignore, please delete

Schuyler Larrabee
 

 


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I have a fair number of ACL photos harvested from all over, tho not including this type of DS boxcar, but I can see no freight car with this version of ACL logo and it's just the thing a toy train company would put on a model. 
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Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Keep them coming!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rene LaVoise
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

Thanks Elden.  The Monon gon was a pretty easy project using the spiral ends from Shapeways. 

I have two other kit-bashes of USRA gons waiting for their trip through the paint shop, Ted Culotta's Litchfield & Madison from the St Louis 2018 RPM and a W&LE with replacement steel sides.

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Rene LaVoise
 

Thanks Elden.  The Monon gon was a pretty easy project using the spiral ends from Shapeways. 

I have two other kit-bashes of USRA gons waiting for their trip through the paint shop, Ted Culotta's Litchfield & Madison from the St Louis 2018 RPM and a W&LE with replacement steel sides.

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Chuck;

 

That was one of the most difficult resin kits I’ve ever built.  Unbelievable fit problems.

 

I had no idea Tichy did decals for EJ&E!

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

Thanks for the kind words Elden.  The EJ&E boxcar is indeed an ancient Sunshine #11.1.  I love the way it looks next to the larger boxcars that dominate most 1950s layouts.  I think the kit came without decals, so I used the Tichy.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

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