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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Brian Carlson
 

It is definitely a Kato. Black is correct. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 20, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:



Schuyler,

 

I stand corrected, I believe that is a KATO model.  Details are not as fine a the IM cars----more opportunities for the prototype modeler.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.

 

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html

and scroll down a LOT.

 

I’ve seen that sort of  “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Mont Switzer
 

Schuyler,

 

I stand corrected, I believe that is a KATO model.  Details are not as fine a the IM cars----more opportunities for the prototype modeler.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.

 

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html

and scroll down a LOT.

 

I’ve seen that sort of  “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

radiodial868
 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 06:30 AM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
I've always wondered how many automobiles got squashed during shipment...
A friend's dad used to work at an auto dealership in the early 1950's. He said they routinely did repairs on nicks and scratches, and sometimes major dents and damage at the dealership from cars that arrived by both rail (team track) and auto carrier.  All part of the "Dealer Prep" that still exists today. Most of the damage occurred during loading and unloading. If it occurred during loading, the damage area would be numbered with a grease pencil, and the dealership would get a credit from the factory. 
I imagine the 1930's-40's would have been even worse.
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.

 

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html

and scroll down a LOT.

 

I’ve seen that sort of  “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

George Eichelberger
 

Here is a Google Drive link, courtesy of the Southern Railway Historical Assoc. archives, to three drawings, circa 1935 for Evans auto loaders. Southern drawing SF-40545 shows instructions for using the racks that was stenciled inside the Sou 272000 series 40’ dbl door box cars. Among the first Southern all-steel box cars. (A model of a box car, door open, with racks being unloaded would be spectacular on a layout or as a museum exhibit.)


Ike

PS There are many, many Southern and CofG drawings in the SRHA archives at TVRM. Visitors, and donations, are welcome.


Boxcar Dimension Questions for a Decal Project

Matt Goodman
 

All, 

My father recently got the itch to reproduce a 1907 American Strawboard boxcar (as seen here and here) and has given me the job of researching decals.

I used Photoshop Element’s perspective crop tool (learned from Ted Culotta’s Lightroom clinic and discussion on this forum - thanks!) to straighten the image at the first link, with I thought decent results (see first attached image). The second image, when straightened with the same tool turned out oddly compressed left to right. I spoke to my son (UX developer/designer) and brother (graphic artist) about this, and both were initially perplexed about the result (see the second image).

With that background, here’s my question. I can fix the second image by specifying the ratio of height to length when using the perspective crop tool - if I have dimensions.

Length
  • Is the 36’ dimension for this car the inside length, the outside “box” length or over the strike plates?
  • Is there a standard dimension for the siding board width? 

Height
  • Is there a standard door-opening height?
  • Is there a known/standard sheathing height?
  • As a stand-in for the second point, what is the inside height of these cars? It’s not listed on the car side.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US



Re: Railcar Photos.com

G.J. Irwin
 

For what it's worth, at 9:30AM Eastern Time on August 20, I tried to access railcarphotos.com and was met with a "500 Internal Server Error." 

These problems usually get straightened out relatively quickly, so I'll be patient.  RailcarPhotos is one of my go-to sites for the Unofficial Micro-Trains Release Report, although most photos are after the time period of this group.  I particularly like that builder information and heritage are added to the photo captions if it's available.

George Irwin


Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

Ray Hutchison
 

I've always wondered how many automobiles got squashed during shipment...


Re: Railcar Photos.com

Ray Hutchison
 

Important to delete cache on your computer, as it may be reloading the last page that you looked at from this site.  

(Under History, you want to tab display all, and then (at bottom) delete all.)

When I accessed the link you shared, I did not get Ann Arbor cars, but instead images of most recently added photos

rh


Re: Railcar Photos.com

StephenK
 

Sorry about that.   The website is:  https://www.railcarphotos.com/index.php?

Steve Kay


Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Mont Switzer
 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester,
All C&O LO’s of the 1958 cu. ft. design built from 1937 thru 1953 were painted entirely black with white stencils. Builders included ACF, GATC, Ralston Steel Car Co., and Pullman-Standard. Data & selected builder & in-service photos were published in RP CYC Volumes 27 (ACF), 28 (GATC) and 30 (RSC, P-S). 

The model of C&O 1013 is intended to represent a prototype car from series 800-1299, 500 cars built ca. 12-48 to 2-49 by Ralston Steel Car Co. (lot 2575). A Ralston builder photo of C&O 1143 was published on p. 239 of the 1949-51 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. It shows the car painted “builder gray” that was done by some car builders to better illustrate the car’s details, rather than the production scheme painted black that tended to make the details more difficult to discern. In-service photos of C&O 823 (original paint, 3-54 reweigh) & 1211 (6-57 repaint) were published on p. 91 of RP CYC Volume 30.

Regarding the decoration of the model, the final three orders of C&O’s 1958 cu. ft. LO covered hopper cars built in 1948, 1952, and 1953 (the last two series from Pullman-Standard as shown on pages 36-38 of RP CYC Volume 30) came with the C and O for Progress monogram with steam trail. Whereas the model has the later straight-line version of the monogram, which would represent a repainted car circa 1955 or later. Missing on the model to the right of the Lt. Wt. line are stencils to identify the reweigh station symbol & date stencils that could reflect where & when the car was repainted - perhaps something like RA 9-55 to represent the repainted car weighed at C&O’s Raceland, Kentucky car shops. This is easily lettered with decals as well as some journal box repack stencils that the model also lacks. 

While I don’t have an exact date when the “For Progress” monogram change occurred, photos of new cars denote it was between 2-54 & 9-55. Hope this helps. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins







Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

Allen Cain
 

Anybody know how these loaders worked?

I am speculating that there is a pivoting ramp that the top car is put onto and then it is rotated up and secured with the poles visible on the sides of the loader and then the lower car is pulled underneath it.

Is this it or something different?

Allen Cain


Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Bill McClure
 

Lester, black is correct. I think Kato as well.

Bill McClure


Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

Karen Parker
 

I was going to guess Bowser. In any case the black color is correct for the time frame. The gray started in the early 1950s.

Karen

Karen Parker


Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

Kenneth Montero
 

Not so many years ago, while visiting the former N&W station in Christiansburg, Virginia, I saw in the freight house portion of the station a diagram with instructions for unloading a boxcar containing automobiles. I don't know if it is still there.

Ken Montero

On 08/19/2020 6:37 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

Photos from the Virginia Tech University Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns493

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns495

Photos can be enlarged.

Hard to be sure but it appears there is a diagram on the boxcar wall with instructions for using the equipment. Just a guess.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: C&O 70 town hopper help

roblmclear
 

Not sure of the accuracy but I think it is a Kato Model

Rob McLear
Aussie.


C&O 70 town hopper help

Lester Breuer
 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer


Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)

Photos from the Virginia Tech University Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns493

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns495

Photos can be enlarged.

Hard to be sure but it appears there is a diagram on the boxcar wall with instructions for using the equipment. Just a guess.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Dunnage For Pineapple Shipment (1960)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Dunnage For Pineapple Shipment (1960)

A photo from the Virginia Tech University Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2974

This photo can be enlarged.

Air bag dunnage to protect canned pineapple.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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