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Re: Railcar Photos.com
StephenK
I deleted my cache and that did it. I never had this problem before.
Railcar Photos is a great site and I find it extremely valuable. Steve Kay
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Re: Boxcar Dimension Questions for a Decal Project
Dave Parker
Matt:
At that time, T&G V-groove siding was either 3-1/4 or 2-5/8; the latter was actually 5-1/4 siding with a V-grove down the middle of the board. My sense is that the 3-1/4 was far more common. I usually check against a known length, like an 18" grab. Or you can use the known/ approximate length of the car. The difference between the two siding types is large enough (24% of the narrower spacing) that it is pretty easy to figure out what's on the car. Hope this helps. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Boxcar Dimension Questions for a Decal Project
Thanks for the help Howard.
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On Aug 20, 2020, at 3:00 PM, earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote: Found the American Straw Board in the April 1908 ORER No dimensions series 1-25 and 101-107 Listed under United Box Board and Paper Co. Same info updated Sept 1908 Same info updated July 1909 listed in Aug 1910 ORER Listed in index Dec 1911 - could not locate Gone from the Dec 1912 ORER Howard Garner
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Re: Boxcar Dimension Questions for a Decal Project
earlyrail
Found the American Straw Board in the April 1908 ORER No dimensions series 1-25 and 101-107 Listed under United Box Board and Paper Co. Same info updated Sept 1908 Same info updated July 1909 listed in Aug 1910 ORER Listed in index Dec 1911 - could not locate Gone from the Dec 1912 ORER Howard Garner
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
RJ;
You are correct. I uncovered dozens of photos of auto damage claims on the PRR during my searches, and the teens thru thirties were the worst. There was a lot of bad blocking & tie-downs, cars bumping one another, damage on the racks, etc. It took a long while to get it right.
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:20 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 06:30 AM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
A friend's dad used to work at an auto dealership in the early 1950's. He said they routinely did repairs on nicks and scratches, and sometimes major dents and damage at the dealership from cars that arrived by both rail (team track) and
auto carrier. All part of the "Dealer Prep" that still exists today. Most of the damage occurred during loading and unloading. If it occurred during loading, the damage area would be numbered with a grease pencil, and the dealership would get a credit from
the factory.
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Re: Railcar Photos.com
G.J. Irwin
Follow up: As of 12:30PM Eastern Time, the railcarphotos.com site appears to be to be back up and running normally. A search I performed worked correctly as well.
Cheers, George Irwin
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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help
It is definitely a Kato. Black is correct.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Aug 20, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:
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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help
Mont Switzer
Schuyler,
I stand corrected, I believe that is a KATO model. Details are not as fine a the IM cars----more opportunities for the prototype modeler.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
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On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:15 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help
Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.
https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html and scroll down a LOT.
I’ve seen that sort of “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.
Schuyler
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On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Lester,
Looks like an Intermountain model. I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
From:
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On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me. Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in. I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray? And,
who produced the hopper? Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance. Attachments:
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Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)
radiodial868
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 06:30 AM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
I've always wondered how many automobiles got squashed during shipment...A friend's dad used to work at an auto dealership in the early 1950's. He said they routinely did repairs on nicks and scratches, and sometimes major dents and damage at the dealership from cars that arrived by both rail (team track) and auto carrier. All part of the "Dealer Prep" that still exists today. Most of the damage occurred during loading and unloading. If it occurred during loading, the damage area would be numbered with a grease pencil, and the dealership would get a credit from the factory. I imagine the 1930's-40's would have been even worse. -- ------------------- RJ Dial Mendocino, CA
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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.
https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html and scroll down a LOT.
I’ve seen that sort of “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help
Lester,
Looks like an Intermountain model. I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me. Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in. I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray? And, who produced the hopper? Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance. Attachments:
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Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)
George Eichelberger
Here is a Google Drive link, courtesy of the Southern Railway Historical Assoc. archives, to three drawings, circa 1935 for Evans auto loaders. Southern drawing SF-40545 shows instructions for using the racks that was stenciled inside the Sou 272000 series 40’ dbl door box cars. Among the first Southern all-steel box cars. (A model of a box car, door open, with racks being unloaded would be spectacular on a layout or as a museum exhibit.)
Ike PS There are many, many Southern and CofG drawings in the SRHA archives at TVRM. Visitors, and donations, are welcome.
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Boxcar Dimension Questions for a Decal Project
All,
My father recently got the itch to reproduce a 1907 American Strawboard boxcar (as seen here and here) and has given me the job of researching decals. I used Photoshop Element’s perspective crop tool (learned from Ted Culotta’s Lightroom clinic and discussion on this forum - thanks!) to straighten the image at the first link, with I thought decent results (see first attached image). The second image, when straightened with the same tool turned out oddly compressed left to right. I spoke to my son (UX developer/designer) and brother (graphic artist) about this, and both were initially perplexed about the result (see the second image). With that background, here’s my question. I can fix the second image by specifying the ratio of height to length when using the perspective crop tool - if I have dimensions. Length
Height
Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio, US  
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Re: Railcar Photos.com
G.J. Irwin
For what it's worth, at 9:30AM Eastern Time on August 20, I tried to access railcarphotos.com and was met with a "500 Internal Server Error."
These problems usually get straightened out relatively quickly, so I'll be patient. RailcarPhotos is one of my go-to sites for the Unofficial Micro-Trains Release Report, although most photos are after the time period of this group. I particularly like that builder information and heritage are added to the photo captions if it's available. George Irwin
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Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)
Ray Hutchison
I've always wondered how many automobiles got squashed during shipment...
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Re: Railcar Photos.com
Ray Hutchison
Important to delete cache on your computer, as it may be reloading the last page that you looked at from this site.
(Under History, you want to tab display all, and then (at bottom) delete all.) When I accessed the link you shared, I did not get Ann Arbor cars, but instead images of most recently added photos rh
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Re: Railcar Photos.com
StephenK
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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help
Mont Switzer
Lester,
Looks like an Intermountain model. I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help
I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me. Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in. I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray? And,
who produced the hopper? Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance. Attachments:
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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help
Ed Hawkins
Lester, All C&O LO’s of the 1958 cu. ft. design built from 1937 thru 1953 were painted entirely black with white stencils. Builders included ACF, GATC, Ralston Steel Car Co., and Pullman-Standard. Data & selected builder & in-service photos were published in RP CYC Volumes 27 (ACF), 28 (GATC) and 30 (RSC, P-S). The model of C&O 1013 is intended to represent a prototype car from series 800-1299, 500 cars built ca. 12-48 to 2-49 by Ralston Steel Car Co. (lot 2575). A Ralston builder photo of C&O 1143 was published on p. 239 of the 1949-51 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. It shows the car painted “builder gray” that was done by some car builders to better illustrate the car’s details, rather than the production scheme painted black that tended to make the details more difficult to discern. In-service photos of C&O 823 (original paint, 3-54 reweigh) & 1211 (6-57 repaint) were published on p. 91 of RP CYC Volume 30. Regarding the decoration of the model, the final three orders of C&O’s 1958 cu. ft. LO covered hopper cars built in 1948, 1952, and 1953 (the last two series from Pullman-Standard as shown on pages 36-38 of RP CYC Volume 30) came with the C and O for Progress monogram with steam trail. Whereas the model has the later straight-line version of the monogram, which would represent a repainted car circa 1955 or later. Missing on the model to the right of the Lt. Wt. line are stencils to identify the reweigh station symbol & date stencils that could reflect where & when the car was repainted - perhaps something like RA 9-55 to represent the repainted car weighed at C&O’s Raceland, Kentucky car shops. This is easily lettered with decals as well as some journal box repack stencils that the model also lacks. While I don’t have an exact date when the “For Progress” monogram change occurred, photos of new cars denote it was between 2-54 & 9-55. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Photos: Auto Loader (Circa 1930s)
Allen Cain
Anybody know how these loaders worked? I am speculating that there is a pivoting ramp that the top car is put onto and then it is rotated up and secured with the poles visible on the sides of the loader and then the lower car is pulled underneath it. Is this it or something different? Allen Cain
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Re: C&O 70 town hopper help
Bill McClure
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