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Re: model freight car origiin

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson asked:
"List members, I have two ancient flat cars, both the same, with a wood body, cast (Zamac?) underframe, and a steel sheet body wrapped around the wood. The plastic AB brake parts look like what Varney later supplied, so I surmise that these were early Varney products. But one source suggested to me that Athearn also once had a similar flat car.

"Photo of underbody below. The stake pockets are pressed out from the side sill, and are rounded, not square at all. My two cars are both black, B&O and B&LE. Does anyone know the origin of these cars?"



Varney.  Excerpt from a 1950 Varney brochure downloaded from the HO Seeker website attached for reference showing the parts of the kit.  Athearn metal flatcar instruction sheet (also from HO Seeker) included for reference; note the separate stamped metal strip for the stake pockets and underframe construction similar to the Athearn metal house car kits.


Ben Hom
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model freight car origiin

Tony Thompson
 

     List members, I have two ancient flat cars, both the same, with a wood body, cast (Zamac?) underframe, and a steel sheet body wrapped around the wood. The plastic AB brake parts look like what Varney later supplied, so I surmise that these were early Varney products. But one source suggested to me that Athearn also once had a similar flat car.
      Photo of underbody below. The stake pockets are pressed out from the side sill, and are rounded, not square at all. My two cars are both black, B&O and B&LE. Does anyone know the origin of these cars?

Tony



Re: Ship anchors?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Nolan, Ed, Rob, and List members,
 
Thanks Nolan for the info on the Balclutha. Having lived in San Francisco for 32 years, I have visited the Balclutha many times, it was always a great pleasure to do so.
 
And thanks everyone, seems like the overall opinion is that these anchors model a type that would pre-date my chosen 1929 modeling era.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ship anchors?

On Aug 21, 2020, at 08:16, Edward <edb8381@...> wrote:

[...]

> Anchors for a flatcar load would be more like those used on large naval vessels and ocean going ships since the late 19th century, having two large flukes attached to a shank with an eyelet for attaching the anchor chain. At about 10 tons or so each, four such anchors would make a good flat car load, held in place with wood blocking.  The attached photo will show the scale of these anchors, from a person sitting by it.

[alert: era-dependencies at work]

There were (and in a few cases still are preserved) sailing ships built in the late 19th century and even a few steam axiliaries built in the early 20th which carried the sliding stock anchors. Balclutha, 1886, Connell & Sons, Glagsgow (one of the first 20 or so steel-hulled sailing ships[0]) is currently resident at the only floating national park in the US and its territories[1]. The more modern naval anchor doesn't cat up like the earlier design, so even the early steam auxiliaries with the more traditional hull shape carried the earlier design of anchor.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, docent emeritus, footnote [1]

[0] for non-military use, steam was for high-priority cargoes, like people and mail - vide the Pacific Mail Steamship company. For the lower-priority cargo, sail was still for a long time less expensive to operate than was steam, especially for bulk haulers.

[1] San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park: <https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm>



Re: Ship anchors?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Nolan, Ed, Rob, and List members,
 
Thanks Nolan for the info on the Balclutha. Having lived in San Francisco for 32 years, I have visited the Balclutha many times, it was always a great pleasure to do so.
 
And thanks everyone, seems like the overall opinion is that these anchors model a type that would pre-date my chosen 1929 modeling era.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ship anchors?

On Aug 21, 2020, at 08:16, Edward <edb8381@...> wrote:

[...]

> Anchors for a flatcar load would be more like those used on large naval vessels and ocean going ships since the late 19th century, having two large flukes attached to a shank with an eyelet for attaching the anchor chain. At about 10 tons or so each, four such anchors would make a good flat car load, held in place with wood blocking.  The attached photo will show the scale of these anchors, from a person sitting by it.

[alert: era-dependencies at work]

There were (and in a few cases still are preserved) sailing ships built in the late 19th century and even a few steam axiliaries built in the early 20th which carried the sliding stock anchors. Balclutha, 1886, Connell & Sons, Glagsgow (one of the first 20 or so steel-hulled sailing ships[0]) is currently resident at the only floating national park in the US and its territories[1]. The more modern naval anchor doesn't cat up like the earlier design, so even the early steam auxiliaries with the more traditional hull shape carried the earlier design of anchor.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, docent emeritus, footnote [1]

[0] for non-military use, steam was for high-priority cargoes, like people and mail - vide the Pacific Mail Steamship company. For the lower-priority cargo, sail was still for a long time less expensive to operate than was steam, especially for bulk haulers.

[1] San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park: <https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm>



Re: Ship anchors?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Nolan, Ed, Rob, and List members,
 
Thanks Nolan for the info on the Balclutha. Having lived in San Francisco for 32 years, I have visited the Balclutha many times, it was always a great pleasure to do so.
 
And thanks everyone, seems like the overall opinion is that these anchors model a type that would pre-date my chosen 1929 modeling era.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ship anchors?

On Aug 21, 2020, at 08:16, Edward <edb8381@...> wrote:

[...]

> Anchors for a flatcar load would be more like those used on large naval vessels and ocean going ships since the late 19th century, having two large flukes attached to a shank with an eyelet for attaching the anchor chain. At about 10 tons or so each, four such anchors would make a good flat car load, held in place with wood blocking.  The attached photo will show the scale of these anchors, from a person sitting by it.

[alert: era-dependencies at work]

There were (and in a few cases still are preserved) sailing ships built in the late 19th century and even a few steam axiliaries built in the early 20th which carried the sliding stock anchors. Balclutha, 1886, Connell & Sons, Glagsgow (one of the first 20 or so steel-hulled sailing ships[0]) is currently resident at the only floating national park in the US and its territories[1]. The more modern naval anchor doesn't cat up like the earlier design, so even the early steam auxiliaries with the more traditional hull shape carried the earlier design of anchor.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, docent emeritus, footnote [1]

[0] for non-military use, steam was for high-priority cargoes, like people and mail - vide the Pacific Mail Steamship company. For the lower-priority cargo, sail was still for a long time less expensive to operate than was steam, especially for bulk haulers.

[1] San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park: <https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm>



New Shippers Guide- Baltimore and Ohio/ Alton railroads

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello everyone,

Have a brand new shippers guide Alton/ B&O RR's.

The Baltimore and Ohio and Alton Railroads covered much of the North East and Midwest, USA. The B&O reached into New York State on the north and down into Virginia, W V, and Kentucky on the south, out to St Louis and Chicago on the west, and to the eastern seaboard on the East. the Alton allowed the B&O to extend to Kansas City, Mo. on the west and blanket Illinois with lines.

This newly printed shippers guide combines both the Alton and B&O railroad in one book. The book is dated 1939 and has 237 total pages. The Alton section of the book is separate and has 84 pages. Industries are listed by commodity produced or consumed, then by state and town in order for that commodity. the book also lists livestock pens, track scales, icing stations, crane facilities and coal and coke operators. the book has a comb binding to open flat for easy use for historical research or making prototype waybills. this new book is $39.95 plus shipping.

The cover is on my website at http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html

This guide joins other recent guides from the IC, CNW and NP railroads
Please contact me off list.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 296954 With Export Log Load (Circa 1930s)

earlyrail
 

  Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 296954 With Export Log Load (Circa 1930s)
From: mel perry
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:47:02 PDT
interesting track arrangment
mel perry

That "center" rail and one near the bulkhead are for the gantry cranes seen further down the pier.

Howard Garner


Re: Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

nyc3001 .
 

Thanks for the documents George! This is really helpful.


ACY Covered Hopper [Was: Covered Hopper Help]

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Richard's mention of ACY covered hoppers sent me to my photos for the attached car I found about 25 years ago near Vesuvius, Virginia. The car was high and dry, so to speak, and several miles from the N&W/NS Shenandoah Valley mainline. How it ended up in Virginia is beyond me. From what I can see, it wasn't wrecked, though there might be damage on the other side.

ACY had for groups of covered hoppers in 1958, according to my ORER, all 70-ton cars (but note their capacities):

400-419 3000 cu ft, 38' (No data)

500-514 1892 cu ft, 29' 3" (AC&F 5-42)

515-539 1892 cu ft, 29' 3" (AC&F 6-47)

540-569 2003 cu ft, 29' 3" (Not found in any articles I have; maybe PS-2 clone?)

The Vesuvius car has no visible number, but is an AC&F car, or a clone.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Covered Hopper Help

akerboomk
 

Nice view of the underside of a lateral roofwalk!


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

gtws00
 

Attached is PDS and order sheet and a scan that includes the instructions.
George Toman


Re: Boxcar Dimension Questions for a Decal Project

Matt Goodman
 

That advice and information helps a great deal. Thanks Dave.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:04 AM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

Matt:

At that time, T&G V-groove siding was either 3-1/4 or 2-5/8; the latter was actually 5-1/4 siding with a V-grove down the middle of the board.  My sense is that the 3-1/4 was far more common.

I usually check against a known length, like an 18" grab.  Or you can use the known/ approximate length of the car.  The difference between the two siding types is large enough (24% of the narrower spacing) that it is pretty easy to figure out what's on the car.

Hope this helps.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

James Brewer
 

Great looking car Bob.....great weathering too!

Jim Brewer


Re: Covered Hopper Help

Jeffrey White
 

Matt,

It could be a 7 and not a Y behind the IC.  That would put it in the 79000 series which were covered hoppers.  The IC bought covered hoppers in 1940 and 1941.  Built by G.A.T.C.  they list Spec No: G.A.T.C.-2853  and G.A.T.C. 1528.   However by 1954 79000 - 79029 were assigned to Pullman Standard cars built in 1953.  The G.A.T.C. cars were numbered 79500-79561 and 79562-79676 in 1954. The diagram sheets don't show those cars as being renumbered. The roof and hatches we can see on the car sure looks like the drawing.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 8/21/2020 1:11 PM, Matt Smith wrote:
Trying to identify this covered hopper in the wreck. Lettering looks like IC and it's a wreck on the IC in Farmer City IL 1944. It looks like IC 9000 but there is also a Y next to the IC. Also looks to be a converted conventional 2 bay hopper. Thoughts?

You can download the high resolution photo in the drop down next to the print icon.
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/45330/rec/108
--

Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

Nelson Moyer
 

Sorry, but I don’t have that one.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

 

This is kit 46.13.


Re: Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

nyc3001 .
 

This is kit 46.13.


Re: Covered Hopper Help

Richard Townsend
 

I believe it is IC 79000. According to my 1/43 ORER, which is the closest to the date of the photo, the IC did not have any car numbered 9000. But it did have 14 all steel covered hoppers in the series 79000-79031. 31'11" length, 50-ton capacity.

I also checked for an ACY 9000 but no joy.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Smith <flyn96@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 11:11 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Covered Hopper Help

Trying to identify this covered hopper in the wreck. Lettering looks like IC and it's a wreck on the IC in Farmer City IL 1944. It looks like IC 9000 but there is also a Y next to the IC. Also looks to be a converted conventional 2 bay hopper. Thoughts?

You can download the high resolution photo in the drop down next to the print icon.
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/45330/rec/108
--

Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

gary laakso
 

What kit number is it?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Instructions and PDS-Sunshine URTX 1948-49 Reefer

 

Hi guys,

I just got a Sunshine URTX 1948-1949 reefer kit, but it has no instructions or PDS. Does anyone have the documents for this kit?

Thanks,
Phil


Re: Photo: Railroad Yards In West Bottoms (Undated)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

We can begin to put a date on this photo by the Seaboard round-roof double-door boxcar. Series 1100-11999 (class AF-1) was delivered in 1940. Series 22000-22199 (class AF-2) were delivered in 1942. I'm not a Seaboard maven, and with a photo this small can't see the numbers to decide which class (I saved it to my desktop and blew it up with Photoshop; still not readable). Thus 1940 is our baseline.

I can't spot anything else that might be newer. The first Milwaukee Road rib-side cars were introduced in 1939 according to my resources. Maybe there is a clue in the GN goat herald, the M&STL single-sheathed boxcar with the slanted "Peoria Gateway" on its doors, or the ACL car with the very plain circular herald.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 1:04 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Railroad Yards In West Bottoms (Undated)

A fair quality photo from the Kansas City Public Library:

https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/kchistory%3A104507/datastream/OBJ/view

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Quite a variety of freight cars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 296954 With Export Log Load (Circa 1930s)

Bruce Smith
 

Interesting is right!  I missed that looking at the arrangement for unloading and loading, with the metal “spars” to the left and the ship’s hosts to the right. I wonder where these logs were headed?

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:46 PM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

interesting track arrangment
mel perry

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 10:08 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Gondola 296954 With Export Log Load (Circa 1930s)
A photo from the Artstor website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Taken at Wilmington, Delaware.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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