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Re: Under frame on F&C CV & GTW steel frame cars

Kenneth Montero
 

Bob,

What are the kit numbers?

If either of the kits is kit no. 6650 or 6651, I have the kits, in kit form.
Let me know if that is the kit that you are seeking, so that I can open it to get the instructions and look for body bolsters.

Ken Montero

On 08/23/2020 5:05 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:


I’m completing two ancient kits - the F&C raised roof CV boxcar and the GTW/CV end door car. I notice in both cases there are no parts in the kit nor instructions about the body bolsters. The floor/underframe resin casting shows these as just rectangular lumps. I wonder if my kits are just missing parts? Can someone check their model?

I’m happy to make substitute pieces with sheet styrene etc., but need an idea a what I am trying to model. My prototype photo resources don’t peer under the cars with enough definition to help fill in this information. Do any of you have information about the prototype? Alternatively in a pinch I’m happy to work from someone else’s completed kit, - a snap shot would be a great help.

Rob Kirkham


Under frame on F&C CV & GTW steel frame cars

Robert kirkham
 

I’m completing two ancient kits - the F&C raised roof CV boxcar and the GTW/CV end door car. I notice in both cases there are no parts in the kit nor instructions about the body bolsters. The floor/underframe resin casting shows these as just rectangular lumps. I wonder if my kits are just missing parts? Can someone check their model?

I’m happy to make substitute pieces with sheet styrene etc., but need an idea a what I am trying to model. My prototype photo resources don’t peer under the cars with enough definition to help fill in this information. Do any of you have information about the prototype? Alternatively in a pinch I’m happy to work from someone else’s completed kit, - a snap shot would be a great help.

Rob Kirkham


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Bob - can’t argue with success!  I’m using Vallejo, but still find it useful to know about other paint choices.  It helps bridge some of the information lost when not being able to see a model in person.  

Rob

On Aug 22, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Robert Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:

Rob Kirkham asks:
Am very curious to hear what paint/ colour you used for the faded boxcar red?

Rob --
Unless you're also a paint dinosaur, this probably won't be helpful. The car is Floquil Southern Freight Car Brown, with an overspray of Floquil Oxide Red. Lacking anything better, I continue to use the freight car color suggestions in RPCyc #3. 

Regards,
Bob Chapman




Re: Photo: Fire Truck In A PM Boxcar (1950)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Zooming in on the number, it appears likely that it is a renumbering and the most likely candidate is a car from the 91850-92349 series built by Pressed Steel Car company.  In the July 1950 ORER there were only 317 of the 500 cars built with end doors remaining in that series while there had been 492 in 1945, before any cars entered the 55xxx series.  In the PM freight car book it says that the 55xxx series came from the 89350-90249, which were single sheathed auto cars, some of which were completely rebuit.

Steve Hile


Re: Photo: OR&N Boxcar 8155 - Furniture & Woodenware (Circa 1909)

Eric Hansmann
 

The chalk mark on the door is outstanding!


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: OR&N Boxcar 8155 - Furniture & Woodenware (Circa 1909)

A photo from the Nebraska State Historical Society:

https://nebraskahistory.pastperfectonline.com/photo/F8EBF381-FAA3-4602-9CD1-183190626026

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Suitable trucks for Sylvan CPR 1938, '40 and '42 auto boxcar

Kemal Mumcu
 

They look similar to a Barber S1,

Rapido has some one can pre-order.

Colin Meikle


Photo: OR&N Boxcar 8155 - Furniture & Woodenware (Circa 1909)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: OR&N Boxcar 8155 - Furniture & Woodenware (Circa 1909)

A photo from the Nebraska State Historical Society:

https://nebraskahistory.pastperfectonline.com/photo/F8EBF381-FAA3-4602-9CD1-183190626026

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Loading Ordnance Into A Boxcar? (Circa 1942)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Loading Ordnance Into A Boxcar? (Circa 1942)

A photo from the Nebraska State Historical Society:

https://nebraskahistory.pastperfectonline.com/photo/FA5FD581-A291-4EFA-80F3-807355016507

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

The description says this is a " small enclosed room". Perhaps a boxcar?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: WP 29' Coil Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

At the 2016 PCR/NMRA Convention in Modesto, CA, Bill Gilbert gave a very good presentation on WP steel coil gondolas.

His clinic covered the prototype history and modeling (HO scale) these Western Pacific 29-foot steel coil gondolas.

The PCR puts many of its clinics on line (http://pcrnmra.org/pcr/clinics/clinics.shtml) so I'm hoping Bill's clinic will be added to the list of offerings some day.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Ken Adams
 

Excellent color. I will need to experiment with the Tamiya Acrylic sprays and Vallejo brushed washes I use these days to match.  (Apartment life with a 10-20 mile wind on the deck, when I can go outside at all for the smoke and heat, precludes air brushing. I have to time the Tamiya sprays between gusts.)
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Scott
 

Wonderful model!  Great photography too!  Do you do any photography clinics?  You clearly know what your doing (pun intended).

Scott McDonald 


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Bob Chapman
 

Rob Kirkham asks:
Am very curious to hear what paint/ colour you used for the faded boxcar red?

Rob --
Unless you're also a paint dinosaur, this probably won't be helpful. The car is Floquil Southern Freight Car Brown, with an overspray of Floquil Oxide Red. Lacking anything better, I continue to use the freight car color suggestions in RPCyc #3. 

Regards,
Bob Chapman



Re: Photo: Fire Truck In A PM Boxcar (1950)

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Pressed Steel Car built 500 40’ double door cars with end doors for the PM in 1930. The original number series was 91850 - 92349


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 6:54:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Fire Truck In A PM Boxcar (1950)
 
The 1953 ORER Chesapeake & Ohio Pere Marquette District lists 55600-55694  Box Steel Frame Staggered Doors 40'6"L 9'2"W 10'H 80ooolb  62 cars, No cars in this series are listed in the 1952 ORER. The 1958 ORER lists three 3 cars left in this series.
 Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Saturday, August 22, 2020, 08:24:55 AM PDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Ken Akerboom wrote: “Note the end doors on the PM”.

 

   Thanks for that observation Ken.  You may be correct but I’m not certain given that I can’t see as much in the shadows and cannot find such a car in Million & Paton’s Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars book. If there is an

end door that would be the easiest way to unload the firetruck. If not I’ll stick with the heavy duty floor jack under

the differential.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: Photo: Fire Truck In A PM Boxcar (1950)

Allan Smith
 

The 1953 ORER Chesapeake & Ohio Pere Marquette District lists 55600-55694  Box Steel Frame Staggered Doors 40'6"L 9'2"W 10'H 80ooolb  62 cars, No cars in this series are listed in the 1952 ORER. The 1958 ORER lists three 3 cars left in this series.
 Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, August 22, 2020, 08:24:55 AM PDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Ken Akerboom wrote: “Note the end doors on the PM”.

 

   Thanks for that observation Ken.  You may be correct but I’m not certain given that I can’t see as much in the shadows and cannot find such a car in Million & Paton’s Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars book. If there is an

end door that would be the easiest way to unload the firetruck. If not I’ll stick with the heavy duty floor jack under

the differential.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: WP 29' Coil Gondolas

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Ed,

It was more than just an appearance. I did indeed write the article, as well as the related one on the same site about USS Geneva and the D&RGW/WP/SN steel trains. In fact, the whole SN On-line site was mine, donated to the WPHS when I no longer have it hosted on the UVA server when I retired from there.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 4:45 PM spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
These cars were WP 6401-6500, built by Greenville in September of 1953.  With drop ends.  25 were renumbered to WP4401-4425 in 1978.  17 were in the October 1990 ORER.

I believe building a model of these cars is so simple that I didn't bother to save how it was done:  cut out enough in the middle to get the right length, and remove the fishbelly.  Or the other way around.  And install roller bearing trucks.  The most difficult part is that there are no decals.  My plan has been to model them in their later years, using this and that for decals.  Also, my geographical area of interest is a but north of the WP; and I think one or two of these cars having business there would be more likely in later years.

A person appearing to be named Garth Groff wrote an excellent article on these cars:

https://www.wplives.org/sn/gon.html

Ed

Edward Sutorik.


Re: WP 29' Coil Gondolas

spsalso
 

These cars were WP 6401-6500, built by Greenville in September of 1953.  With drop ends.  25 were renumbered to WP4401-4425 in 1978.  17 were in the October 1990 ORER.

I believe building a model of these cars is so simple that I didn't bother to save how it was done:  cut out enough in the middle to get the right length, and remove the fishbelly.  Or the other way around.  And install roller bearing trucks.  The most difficult part is that there are no decals.  My plan has been to model them in their later years, using this and that for decals.  Also, my geographical area of interest is a but north of the WP; and I think one or two of these cars having business there would be more likely in later years.

A person appearing to be named Garth Groff wrote an excellent article on these cars:

https://www.wplives.org/sn/gon.html

Ed

Edward Sutorik.


Re: model freight car origiin

John
 

I'm very glad to see this information. I have one, complete with the folded paper crates shown in the Varney brochure (and X2f couplers) that was my dad's. I never knew who made it. Since Dad spent all his working years at Chrysler, I suspect that is why he bought it. Thanks for sharing.

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Michael Gross
 

Another beauty, Bob. Thank you!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Ship anchors?

Charles
 
Edited

Here's a source for model anchors like the one shown in post 176991: https://floatingdrydock.com/JH-B6.jpg . It's a 30,000 lb. in 1/96 scale -- probable "too much" for N scale but suitable as a lighter weight one in HO. The vendor has a lot of neat ship model parts that are applicable to model railroad freight cars such as fine chain and other parts that could be used as loads. The website is a little difficult to navigate (pun intended) but this would be a good port to set sail (I'll be here all week, be sure to tell your friends) from: https://floatingdrydock.com/ -- scroll down to the bottom of the page.


Photos: N&W Freight Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: N&W Freight Cars

Photo links from the Virginia Tech University Library:

Baggage, Box, Ballast, and Basket Railroad Cars (242 photos) -

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/cars/box

Coal, Coke, Dump, and Pitch Cars -

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/cars/coa

Flat and Rack Cars (78 photos) -

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/cars/flat

Gondola Cars (113 photos) -

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/cars/gon

Hopper Cars (329 photos) -

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/cars/hop

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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