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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 01:09 Uhr
Von: "Garth Groff and Sally Sanford" <mallardlodge1000@...>
An: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Rich,
 
I'm well aware that many tank cars did have ladders on one side only. That said, I've never seen a photo of a tank car that had a dome platform on both sides, and only one ladder. Usually the "back side" is plain. Maybe this is correct for this car's class. I would love to see more photographs.
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff  

 
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
 
Garth, The ladder is on the other side of the car. Many people are not aware that most general service tank cars had only one ladder!
 
Rich
 
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:56:15 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
 
 
Well, maybe I should have added the link.
 
 
Garth
 
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Friends,
 
As I was wandering through the N&W photos on the Virginia Tech web site ( https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans ), I stumbled upon the attached photo of an N&W tank car. It was part of the group "Norfolk and Western Railroad Photograph Negatives 8X10 black & white" that are presented in reverse as negatives rather than as B&W prints.
 
I found the lack of a side ladder up to the dome platform very curious, so I downloaded it and and flipped the tones with Graphic Converter for your enjoyment and approval. Why this car should be missing its ladder is beyond me. I see no wreck damage. I can understand no ladder if there is no platform on that side of the car. The car is almost pristine, so maybe they just hadn't gotten around to putting on the ladder after repairs or repainting. Enjoy the mystery.
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff  

 

 

 

 


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Mark Vinski
 

What I think are chalk guidelines used to keep the lettering straight look like decal edges. They apparently did not help to keep the reporting marks and stripes straight.
Mark Vinski


O Scale SFRD 13000 revisited

Edward
 

We discussed this unusual car about two weeks ago.
A photo of the O scale, scratch-built model I did 33 years ago was shown.
Then a prototype photo showing the left side having "The Super Chief to California" on it was posted as well
My model had the El Capitan logo on the right side, following a photo of the prototype in the 19th edition of Carbuilders' Cyclopedia.
To get it right, I did some hand lettering as the decal set had the wrong type of "E" and the word "West" was too large.
For the left side, I used the 'Ship and Travel Santa Fe All the Way' from the decal set.
Incorrect! I built it before I had a computer and  internet access.
What to do?
Well, I sent off for a Protcals SFRD "Super Chief' set.
The Ship and Travel decals were carefully scraped off, thanks to their 33 year age and by now vintage hardened Floquil paint underneath.
The left side now carries the Super Chief logo.
Its it perfect?
Well, no. Decals are subject to the art work of someone else. 
Also laying out the lettering with those horizontal ribs blocking some of it off takes some careful planning.
As it worked out, most of the Super Chief lettering covers the largest area of the former Ship and Travel logo, minimizing surface disturbances from its removal.
Better? Yes.
At least I'm now bit happier with my old model, now carrying the correct two Santa  Fe train advertisements, one on each side.
A = right side, B = old left side, D = new left side.
Ed Bommer   


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rich,

I'm well aware that many tank cars did have ladders on one side only. That said, I've never seen a photo of a tank car that had a dome platform on both sides, and only one ladder. Usually the "back side" is plain. Maybe this is correct for this car's class. I would love to see more photographs.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth, The ladder is on the other side of the car. Many people are not aware that most general service tank cars had only one ladder!

Rich

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:56:15 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Well, maybe I should have added the link.


Garth

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Friends,

As I was wandering through the N&W photos on the Virginia Tech web site ( https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans ), I stumbled upon the attached photo of an N&W tank car. It was part of the group "Norfolk and Western Railroad Photograph Negatives 8X10 black & white" that are presented in reverse as negatives rather than as B&W prints.

I found the lack of a side ladder up to the dome platform very curious, so I downloaded it and and flipped the tones with Graphic Converter for your enjoyment and approval. Why this car should be missing its ladder is beyond me. I see no wreck damage. I can understand no ladder if there is no platform on that side of the car. The car is almost pristine, so maybe they just hadn't gotten around to putting on the ladder after repairs or repainting. Enjoy the mystery.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


Re: NRC 16337

mopacfirst
 

That's what I presumed.  Thanks, Ed, for confirming it.

Ron Merrick


Re: NRC 16337

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 25, 2020, at 1:58 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

My question is, can it be confirmed that cars in this 16000-16499 series be confirmed as having Despatch 3-5 ends?  And, do these cars also have Despatch roof?

Ron,
Based on photos of NRC 16202, 16225, 16289, 16271 & 16491, it’s confirmed that the cars had Despatch 3-5 ends and Despatch roof. 

16202 - 6-63 reweigh, 1-64 photo in relatively fresh paint, leased to Illinois Central (E.P. Herzog photo)

16225 - 3-55 reweigh, 12-26-56 photo, leased to Illinois Central (Bob’s Photo)

16289 - new 9-52, clean car in undated photo, leased to Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Donald Buffington collection, published in TRRA Historical & Technical Society Issue #12

16261 - 8-53 reweigh, undated photo, leased to Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Mainline Photos)

16491 - 6-57 reweigh (fresh repaint), 7-19-57 photo, leased to Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Bob’s Photo)

Cars 16202 & 16491 have “modern” sans-serif stencils. 

Hope this helps. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins




WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Tony Thompson
 


Thanks Tom.


On Aug 24, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

I'll second Bob's recommendation of the Colorado sun and photographing outdoors (but not in direct sunlight). I have one of those LED lighting boxes but have found the LED strip lighting is too flat and diffuse to make details really pop. The attached photo was shot out on the edge of my covered patio on a sunny day with the mid-afternoon light source high and to the right. The background is one of the four that came with the LED box. Canon Powershot pocket camera, nothing special but it lets me get really close. And tends toward fisheye if too close.

Colorado sun is optional.....

Tom Madden
<Walth 3.jpg>


NRC 16337

mopacfirst
 

I picked up an Intermountain kit lettered for Illinois Central lease, with the reporting marks NRC 16337, being fully aware that I would have to change something.

The MDT book shows these cars as lot 881, NRC 16000-16499, in common with MDT 11500-11999.  There are a couple of photos of the MDT series in the book, and I found one of another NRC series on rr-fallenflags   

 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-frt/nrc16720a01.jpg  

with a couple of the photos of this exact series being missing.

My question is, can it be confirmed that cars in this 16000-16499 series be confirmed as having Despatch 3-5 ends?  And, do these cars also have Despatch roof?

Ron Merrick


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 

Garth, The ladder is on the other side of the car. Many people are not aware that most general service tank cars had only one ladder!

   But Garth is right that usually there is no dome walk if there is no ladder. Usually.

Tony Thompson




Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Rich C
 

Garth, The ladder is on the other side of the car. Many people are not aware that most general service tank cars had only one ladder!

Rich

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:56:15 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Well, maybe I should have added the link.


Garth

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Friends,

As I was wandering through the N&W photos on the Virginia Tech web site ( https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans ), I stumbled upon the attached photo of an N&W tank car. It was part of the group "Norfolk and Western Railroad Photograph Negatives 8X10 black & white" that are presented in reverse as negatives rather than as B&W prints.

I found the lack of a side ladder up to the dome platform very curious, so I downloaded it and and flipped the tones with Graphic Converter for your enjoyment and approval. Why this car should be missing its ladder is beyond me. I see no wreck damage. I can understand no ladder if there is no platform on that side of the car. The car is almost pristine, so maybe they just hadn't gotten around to putting on the ladder after repairs or repainting. Enjoy the mystery.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Well, maybe I should have added the link.


Garth

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Friends,

As I was wandering through the N&W photos on the Virginia Tech web site ( https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans ), I stumbled upon the attached photo of an N&W tank car. It was part of the group "Norfolk and Western Railroad Photograph Negatives 8X10 black & white" that are presented in reverse as negatives rather than as B&W prints.

I found the lack of a side ladder up to the dome platform very curious, so I downloaded it and and flipped the tones with Graphic Converter for your enjoyment and approval. Why this car should be missing its ladder is beyond me. I see no wreck damage. I can understand no ladder if there is no platform on that side of the car. The car is almost pristine, so maybe they just hadn't gotten around to putting on the ladder after repairs or repainting. Enjoy the mystery.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

As I was wandering through the N&W photos on the Virginia Tech web site ( https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans ), I stumbled upon the attached photo of an N&W tank car. It was part of the group "Norfolk and Western Railroad Photograph Negatives 8X10 black & white" that are presented in reverse as negatives rather than as B&W prints.

I found the lack of a side ladder up to the dome platform very curious, so I downloaded it and and flipped the tones with Graphic Converter for your enjoyment and approval. Why this car should be missing its ladder is beyond me. I see no wreck damage. I can understand no ladder if there is no platform on that side of the car. The car is almost pristine, so maybe they just hadn't gotten around to putting on the ladder after repairs or repainting. Enjoy the mystery.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


Drawing: SFRD Refrigerator Car 4751 (1902)

Bob Chaparro
 

Drawing: SFRD Refrigerator Car 4751 (1902)

A drawing from the California Revealed website:

https://californiarevealed.org/islandora/object/cavpp%3A112191

This is a Class Rr-H refrigerator car, one of the earliest Santa Fe forty-foot reefers. The number series for this class was 4751-6000. The builder was American Car & Foundry.

Santa Fe was just developing its freight car classification system and the Rr-H cars were the first to have the class designation stenciled on the car sides.

As noted on the drawing, this car had Bohn ice tanks. The Santa Fe reefer book describes these tanks as "merely galvanized sheet metal linings attached to the end walls, with wire grates to hold the ice in place". This design pre-dates the Bohn Syphon System originally patented by John H. Ames.

Of the original 1,250 Rr-H cars that entered service only seven were in revenue service in 1927. The final two cars last appeared in 1930.

I don't believe any models of this car currently are available.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Photo: Boxcars At Algonquin Tannery, Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan (Circa 1908)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boxcars At Algonquin Tannery, Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan (Circa 1908)

A photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2016795924/

The TIFF version shows a lot of detail for the four boxcars pictured.

Below are some comments on the tanning process from the Early Rails Group, edited for clarity.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

“The area where the photos were taken is a large industrial area and hide tanning probably would have been there. Hemlock bark was needed for tanning and Wisconsin north and east had a native area for hemlock so it makes sense that the railroads would be a likely hauler of it.”  

Ron Frost

+++

“Notice how the open-air stacks are built with peaks to shed rain. They would sometimes or usually have a temporary “roof” of boards.”

Mike Stein

+++

“…the caption for the photo notes that the location is Sault Sainte Marie…and identifies the buildings mentioned  as the "Algonquin Tannery"  served by the Soo Line, as well as the Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic, so yes, the material stacked in the sheds was bark used in the tanning process, and it probably was hemlock.

John Stokes

+++

From an earlier response to the same photo:

“The open-sided sheds contain tree bark. The tanning process derives its name from the fact that tannin (from bark) is used, hence the large supply of the stuff. The whole process passes through leather hide through several chemicals to soften it, get rid of hair and tissue and finally render the leather usable. If you have access to the Sanborn maps, the 1906 edition of Sault Sainte Marie (Page 30) has a good view of the property with the processes indicated on each building.”

Don Ball


Re: WP 29' Coil Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: WP Shorty Gondola 6497

For those of you who have an account with RailCar Photos, here is a photo taken by Ron Hawkins in 1973:

https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=50888

I appreciate the photo date is well past the cut-off for this group but I thought some of you would still want to see this car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


PRR X48 PS-1 sliding sill cushioning (again)

Curt Fortenberry
 


I've read through all the X48 topics that discuss the sliding sill cushioning on the PRR X48 PS-1's.  And whether or not it's the same as the PRR X29E's.  Has a drawing of the type PS used ever surfaced?  A photo?  The draft gear slot is different between the X29E and X48.  Thanks.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: WAB Postwar AAR DD Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #4

Bob Chapman
 

Scott McDonald writes:
Great photography too!  Do you do any photography clinics?  You clearly know what your doing (pun intended).


Wow, I've never been accused of being a photographer -- thanks! I'll give primary credit to the Denver sun, all 300+ annual days of it; I get much better results outside than inside. If I shoot when the sun is lower, I can get some lighting on the trucks, etc. I try to avoid very early or very late shooting, since it tends to mess up the colors. I sometimes do some minor Photoshop tweaking (usually "Lighten"), but mostly don't have to. The camera is nothing fancy -- a Nikon Coolpix.

Regards,
Bob Chapman   
 


Photos: N&W "Derrick Car" 4986 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: N&W "Derrick Car" 4986 (Undated)

Photos from the Virginia Tech University Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns3297

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns3300

These photos can be enlarged.

And 4966:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns3299

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Shoveling Ears Of Corn Into A Boxcar (Circa 1910)

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

Photo: Shoveling Ears Of Corn Into A Boxcar (Circa 1910)

A photo from the Nebraska State Historical Society:

https://nebraskahistory.pastperfectonline.com/photo/EB2906D4-A317-4423-9489-033893331726

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Unless someone forgot to tell him where the side door was my guess is that he's just toping off the load.

I'm sure this was not unusual but it's the first photo I've seen, excepting lumber, of anyone loading through the inspection/lumber door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Ordnance Into A Boxcar? (Circa 1942)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

Yeah, looks like a box car interior to me, also.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 12:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Ordnance Into A Boxcar? (Circa 1942)

 

Photo: Loading Ordnance Into A Boxcar? (Circa 1942)

A photo from the Nebraska State Historical Society:

Blockedhttps://nebraskahistory.pastperfectonline.com/photo/FA5FD581-A291-4EFA-80F3-807355016507

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

The description says this is a " small enclosed room". Perhaps a boxcar?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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