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Re: O Scale SFRD 13000 revisited
Michael Gross
I am impressed. Well done!
-- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Brass freight car noise
Tony Thompson
Johannes wrote:
Certainly older brass freight cars typically had awful trucks. Like most brass of that day, it was aimed at a collector market, not operators. Trucks were almost required to be replaced if you wanted to run the car. More recent brass is quite different, often with decent trucks. I doubt any of my older brass cars have original trucks (I save them in the box for some future collector who might end up with them.) Tony Thompson
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Re: Brass freight car noise
vapeurchapelon
I converted most to Tahoe and Kato trucks (and a few Bowser Crown for a couple PRR cars) which made them quieter and better running. But remember that freight trains definitely were not quiet during the steam era, plus "noisy" model freight cars makes it easier to tolerate a noisy locomotive mechanism... ;-)
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 19:14 Uhr
Von: "Jon Miller" <atsfus@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass freight car noise On 8/26/2020 9:56 AM, James SANDIFER wrote:
I have a number of brass freight cars that make "brass" noise Tough one. If any are boxcars with doors that open you might try stuffing them with memory foam (removable if doesn't work) or similar. Other types of cars, I'm at a loss! -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Brass freight car noise
Jon Miller
On 8/26/2020 9:56 AM, James SANDIFER
wrote:
I have a number of brass freight cars that make "brass" noise Tough one. If any are
boxcars with doors that open you might try stuffing them with
memory foam (removable if doesn't work) or similar. Other
types of cars, I'm at a loss! -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
jace6315
Bruce, Understand. I think I have more of a problem with left and right than the freight car conventions. Jim
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 11:10:06 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Jim,
Just a quick note on conventions. The sides of the car are denoted when looking at the car from the B-end. So the ladder on this car is on the LEFT side. Using conventions avoids confusion 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of jace6315 via groups.io <jace6315@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:49 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left):
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950
Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible:
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888
The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).
Jim Matthews
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Johannes, Folks,
This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So
no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales.
This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car
looks like an AC&F type 21. As
such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the
right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it
was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank).
No
great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce
Smith
Auburn,
AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Hello friends,
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished,
which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Brass freight car noise
Steve SANDIFER
I have a number of brass freight cars that make "brass" noise. I have replaced the trucks on virtually all so they roll well. What is the best way to quiet them down?
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Schuyler,
I repeat... huh? Which tank car does not have a platform (or ladder)?? I have not seen any photos of N&W tank cars in this discussion that could be described as "lacking normal appliances".
The original car of the discussion #516420, has a platform, but no ladder on the right side. No left side views were provided, but since single ladders were typically on the left side, it is reasonable to assume a ladder and platform on that side. Certainly,
without a photo of the left side, it is not reasonable to assume that there is no ladder or platform on that side.
Jim provided 2 additional cars:
#516416, seen in two different views, has a ladder and platform on the left side. BTW, this is an interesting 14,000 gallon car, quite large for the time it was built!
#516005 has a ladder and platform on the left side.
So, what tank car are we talking about here that has no platform (or ladder)?
Regards,
Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:29 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Sure, that’s right. But the N&W car had no platform. My point is that in as much as the car seems to be lacking “normal” appliances, since it was in company service, they were not required to have everything necessary to be interchanged.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bruce Smith
Schuyler,
Huh?? There was no restriction on tank cars with a single ladder and platform in interchange. They were common.
Regards, Bruce
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply. That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of jace6315 via groups.io
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950
There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954, https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.
Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888
The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).
Jim Matthews
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Schuyler Larrabee
Sure, that’s right. But the N&W car had no platform. My point is that in as much as the car seems to be lacking “normal” appliances, since it was in company service, they were not required to have everything necessary to be interchanged.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Schuyler,
Huh?? There was no restriction on tank cars with a single ladder and platform in interchange. They were common.
Regards, Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply. That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of jace6315 via groups.io
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950
There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954, https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.
Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888
The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).
Jim Matthews
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Schuyler,
Huh?? There was no restriction on tank cars with a single ladder and platform in interchange. They were common.
Regards,
Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:20 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply. That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of
jace6315 via groups.io
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950
There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954, https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.
Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888
The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).
Jim Matthews
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Schuyler Larrabee
Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply. That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of jace6315 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:50 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950
There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954, https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.
Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888
The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).
Jim Matthews
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Johannes, Folks,
This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales.
This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car looks like an AC&F type 21. As such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank).
No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Hello friends,
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
Regards
Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Jim,
Just a quick note on conventions. The sides of the car are denoted when looking at the car from the B-end. So the ladder on this car is on the LEFT side. Using conventions avoids confusion 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of jace6315 via groups.io <jace6315@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:49 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left):
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950
Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible:
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888
The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).
Jim Matthews
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Johannes, Folks,
This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So
no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales.
This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car
looks like an AC&F type 21. As
such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the
right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it
was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank).
No
great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce
Smith
Auburn,
AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Hello friends,
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished,
which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
jace6315
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950 Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888 The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner). Jim Matthews
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Johannes, Folks,
This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So
no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales.
This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car
looks like an AC&F type 21. As
such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the
right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform
(so as not to require patching holes in the tank).
No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably
only matters to N&W modelers 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Hello friends,
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished,
which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 296954 With Export Log Load (Circa 1930s)
David Wiggs
What I think is
cool about this photo is something I've never seen. The towers at the left
across the tracks from the ship to which the ships rigging has been attached to
allow a further reach for the ship to unload its cargo.
davo in
Orlando
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Re: O Scale SFRD 13000 revisited
Fred Jansz
What a beauty.
Would love to posess one in HO. Fred Jansz
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Johannes, Folks,
This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So
no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales.
This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car
looks like an AC&F type 21. As
such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the
right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform
(so as not to require patching holes in the tank).
No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably
only matters to N&W modelers 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Hello friends,
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished,
which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 01:09 Uhr
Von: "Garth Groff and Sally Sanford" <mallardlodge1000@...> An: main@realstmfc.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car Rich,
I'm well aware that many tank cars did have ladders on one side only. That said, I've never seen a photo of a tank car that had a dome platform on both sides, and only one ladder. Usually the "back side" is plain. Maybe this is correct for this car's class. I would love to see more photographs.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Mark Vinski
What I think are chalk guidelines used to keep the lettering straight look like decal edges. They apparently did not help to keep the reporting marks and stripes straight.
Mark Vinski
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O Scale SFRD 13000 revisited
We discussed this unusual car about two weeks ago.
A photo of the O scale, scratch-built model I did 33 years ago was shown. Then a prototype photo showing the left side having "The Super Chief to California" on it was posted as well My model had the El Capitan logo on the right side, following a photo of the prototype in the 19th edition of Carbuilders' Cyclopedia. To get it right, I did some hand lettering as the decal set had the wrong type of "E" and the word "West" was too large. For the left side, I used the 'Ship and Travel Santa Fe All the Way' from the decal set. Incorrect! I built it before I had a computer and internet access. What to do? Well, I sent off for a Protcals SFRD "Super Chief' set. The Ship and Travel decals were carefully scraped off, thanks to their 33 year age and by now vintage hardened Floquil paint underneath. The left side now carries the Super Chief logo. Its it perfect? Well, no. Decals are subject to the art work of someone else. Also laying out the lettering with those horizontal ribs blocking some of it off takes some careful planning. As it worked out, most of the Super Chief lettering covers the largest area of the former Ship and Travel logo, minimizing surface disturbances from its removal. Better? Yes. At least I'm now bit happier with my old model, now carrying the correct two Santa Fe train advertisements, one on each side. A = right side, B = old left side, D = new left side. Ed Bommer
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Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Rich, I'm well aware that many tank cars did have ladders on one side only. That said, I've never seen a photo of a tank car that had a dome platform on both sides, and only one ladder. Usually the "back side" is plain. Maybe this is correct for this car's class. I would love to see more photographs. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
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Re: NRC 16337
mopacfirst
That's what I presumed. Thanks, Ed, for confirming it.
Ron Merrick
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