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Re: Brass freight car noise

vapeurchapelon
 

Know that trick. Probably will do it on the coal gondolas. Nonetheless many thanks for the reminder.
For more "ordinary" trucks the list goes on:
- finding new .88 wheel sets
- grinding away the brake shoes
- making the bolsters accept Kadee brake pads (if possible at all! Some side frames are clipped to the bolster, or screwed on horizontally.)
 
Before I would even think about doing this to maybe 50 brass cars with at least 30 different (model manufacturer) trucks I purchase new ones which need NO work and I am happy ;-)
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 21:17 Uhr
Von: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Johannes wrote:
 
But unfortunately these truck springs of course were real springs making for that inaccurate "too light" look. 
   You can do the Richard Hendrickson trick, just glue a little square of styrene behind the springs. Then you can't see through them, and they look greatly better. This would only be a choice if the trucks are actually the right ones for the car.
 
Tony Thompson
 
 


Re: Brass freight car noise

Tony Thompson
 

Johannes wrote:

But unfortunately these truck springs of course were real springs making for that inaccurate "too light" look. 

   You can do the Richard Hendrickson trick, just glue a little square of styrene behind the springs. Then you can't see through them, and they look greatly better. This would only be a choice if the trucks are actually the right ones for the car.

Tony Thompson




Re: Brass freight car noise

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tony,
 
this is certainly true. I remember some late run Challenger Imports, OMI and W&R cars running fine out of the box. But unfortunately these trucks didn't have Code-88 wheels, the brake shoes were not really fine in gauge, and the truck springs of course were real springs making for that inaccurate "too light" look. So I converted them. The only cars where I use the original trucks are the latest run W&R cars which have Tahoe trucks right from the factory (Yes, true!) and the dozen W&R D&RGW coal gondolas - these, too run great with some careful adjustments and a tiny drop of oil.
(And OF COURSE I too keep all the originals for an imaginary collector after me...!)
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 19:58 Uhr
Von: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Johannes wrote:
 
I converted most to Tahoe and Kato trucks (and a few Bowser Crown for a couple PRR cars) which made them quieter and better running. But remember that freight trains definitely were not quiet during the steam era, plus "noisy" model freight cars makes it easier to tolerate a noisy locomotive mechanism... ;-)
      Certainly older brass freight cars typically had awful trucks. Like most brass of that day, it was aimed at a collector market, not operators. Trucks were almost required to be replaced if you wanted to run the car. More recent brass is quite different, often with decent trucks. I doubt any of my older brass cars have original trucks (I save  them in the box for some future collector who might end up with them.)
 
Tony Thompson
 
 


Re: O Scale SFRD 13000 revisited

Michael Gross
 

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Re: Brass freight car noise

Tony Thompson
 

Johannes wrote:

I converted most to Tahoe and Kato trucks (and a few Bowser Crown for a couple PRR cars) which made them quieter and better running. But remember that freight trains definitely were not quiet during the steam era, plus "noisy" model freight cars makes it easier to tolerate a noisy locomotive mechanism... ;-)

      Certainly older brass freight cars typically had awful trucks. Like most brass of that day, it was aimed at a collector market, not operators. Trucks were almost required to be replaced if you wanted to run the car. More recent brass is quite different, often with decent trucks. I doubt any of my older brass cars have original trucks (I save  them in the box for some future collector who might end up with them.)

Tony Thompson




Re: Brass freight car noise

vapeurchapelon
 

I converted most to Tahoe and Kato trucks (and a few Bowser Crown for a couple PRR cars) which made them quieter and better running. But remember that freight trains definitely were not quiet during the steam era, plus "noisy" model freight cars makes it easier to tolerate a noisy locomotive mechanism... ;-)
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 19:14 Uhr
Von: "Jon Miller" <atsfus@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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On 8/26/2020 9:56 AM, James SANDIFER wrote:
I have a number of brass freight cars that make "brass" noise

    Tough one.  If any are boxcars with doors that open you might try stuffing them with memory foam (removable if doesn't work) or similar.  Other types of cars, I'm at a loss!

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Brass freight car noise

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/26/2020 9:56 AM, James SANDIFER wrote:
I have a number of brass freight cars that make "brass" noise

    Tough one.  If any are boxcars with doors that open you might try stuffing them with memory foam (removable if doesn't work) or similar.  Other types of cars, I'm at a loss!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

jace6315
 

Bruce,

Understand. I think I have more of a problem with left and right than the freight car conventions.

Jim



On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 11:10:06 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Jim,

Just a quick note on conventions. The sides of the car are denoted when looking at the car from the B-end. So the ladder on this car is on the LEFT side.  Using conventions avoids confusion 😉

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

Jim Matthews











On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Johannes, Folks,

This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales. 

This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car looks like an AC&F type 21. As such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank). 

No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 
Hello friends,
 
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Brass freight car noise

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have a number of brass freight cars that make "brass" noise. I have replaced the trucks on virtually all so they roll well. What is the best way to quiet them down?


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

I repeat... huh? Which tank car does not have a platform (or ladder)?? I have not seen any photos of N&W tank cars in this discussion that could be described as "lacking normal appliances".

The original car of the discussion #516420, has a platform, but no ladder on the right side. No left side views were provided, but since single ladders were typically on the left side, it is reasonable to assume a ladder and platform on that side. Certainly, without a photo of the left side, it is not reasonable to assume that there is no ladder or platform on that side. 

Jim provided 2 additional cars:
#516416, seen in two different views, has a ladder and platform on the left side. BTW, this is an interesting 14,000 gallon car, quite large for the time it was built!

#516005 has a ladder and platform on the left side.

So, what tank car are we talking about here that has no platform (or ladder)?

Regards,
Bruce


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Sure, that’s right.  But the N&W car had no platform.  My point is that in as much as the car seems to be lacking “normal” appliances, since it was in company service, they were not required to have everything necessary to be interchanged.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Schuyler,

 

Huh??  There was no restriction on tank cars with a single ladder and platform in interchange. They were common. 

 

Regards,

Bruce

 

 


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Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply.  That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

 

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

 

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

 

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

 

Jim Matthews


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Sure, that’s right.  But the N&W car had no platform.  My point is that in as much as the car seems to be lacking “normal” appliances, since it was in company service, they were not required to have everything necessary to be interchanged.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Schuyler,

 

Huh??  There was no restriction on tank cars with a single ladder and platform in interchange. They were common. 

 

Regards,

Bruce

 

 


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply.  That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

 

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

 

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

 

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

 

Jim Matthews


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

Huh??  There was no restriction on tank cars with a single ladder and platform in interchange. They were common. 

Regards,
Bruce



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 

Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply.  That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

 

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

 

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

 

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

 

Jim Matthews


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Since these tanks seem to be in “company service,” and not in interchange, a lot of the rules about what the cars “had to have” didn’t apply.  That may explain the lack of a ladder and a platform.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

 

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

 

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

 

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

 

Jim Matthews

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

 

Johannes, Folks,

 

This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales. 

 

This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car looks like an AC&F type 21. As such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank). 

 

No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car

 

Hello friends,

 

when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?

 

Regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

Just a quick note on conventions. The sides of the car are denoted when looking at the car from the B-end. So the ladder on this car is on the LEFT side.  Using conventions avoids confusion 😉

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 
Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

Jim Matthews











On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Johannes, Folks,

This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales. 

This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car looks like an AC&F type 21. As such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank). 

No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 
Hello friends,
 
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

jace6315
 

Here's another view of the same car, same side (handbrake, B-end, to the left): https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19950

There is a dent in the tank above the number two so maybe it was in for wreck repairs. That whole end of the car looks a little off but that could just be the perspective of the photograph. Either way, it's a new repaint with chalk lines still visible. The car is in company service, other larger capacity tanks of similar vintage also have one ladder but alas with only one platform (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19954https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=19953). The ladder on this car is on the right side when looking towards the B-end. Maybe the railroad wanted to keep that consistent.

Another company service tank, B-end to the right, ladder visible: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=138888

The battleship gon behind the tank also looks to have a dent (in the corner).

Jim Matthews











On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 7:55:35 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Johannes, Folks,

This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales. 

This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car looks like an AC&F type 21. As such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank). 

No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 
Hello friends,
 
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 296954 With Export Log Load (Circa 1930s)

David Wiggs
 

What I think is cool about this photo is something I've never seen.  The towers at the left across the tracks from the ship to which the ships rigging has been attached to allow a further reach for the ship to unload its cargo.
 
davo in Orlando


Re: O Scale SFRD 13000 revisited

Fred Jansz
 

What a beauty.
Would love to posess one in HO.
Fred Jansz


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes, Folks,

This photo was almost certainly taken by an N&W photographer at an N&W car shop. The two cars pictured are both in new paint and lettering, as noted by Johannes and others. A careful look at the tank car indicates that it may not yet have been reweighed. So no, it's probably not a "special" occasion, it's just two cars outside the car shops, fresh from repairs, rebuilding, or simply repainting, waiting to go to the scales. 

This is, of course, not a builder's photo. The tank car looks like an AC&F type 21. As such, this photo may represent the N&W's acquisition of a 2nd hand car, or their documentation of repair/repaint of a car they have owned for some time. Either situation tends to lend credence to the idea that the car was built with 2 ladders and that the right hand ladder has subsequently been removed, whether because the owner (prior or N&W) felt it was unnecessary, or because it was damaged, leaving the dome platform (so as not to require patching holes in the tank). 

No great mystery here, just an oddball car that probably only matters to N&W modelers 😉

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Ladderless Tank Car
 
Hello friends,
 
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
when I saw the car in this clean condition and realized that 12-wheel "battleship" gondola in the back ground in about same condition I think it could have been some promoting event to show these cars, and maybe the tank car just wasn't completely finished, which didn't matter if photographed only from the other side?
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2020 um 01:09 Uhr
Von: "Garth Groff and Sally Sanford" <mallardlodge1000@...>
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Rich,
 
I'm well aware that many tank cars did have ladders on one side only. That said, I've never seen a photo of a tank car that had a dome platform on both sides, and only one ladder. Usually the "back side" is plain. Maybe this is correct for this car's class. I would love to see more photographs.
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff  

 
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
 
Garth, The ladder is on the other side of the car. Many people are not aware that most general service tank cars had only one ladder!
 
Rich
 
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:56:15 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
 
 
Well, maybe I should have added the link.
 
 
Garth
 
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Friends,
 
As I was wandering through the N&W photos on the Virginia Tech web site ( https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans ), I stumbled upon the attached photo of an N&W tank car. It was part of the group "Norfolk and Western Railroad Photograph Negatives 8X10 black & white" that are presented in reverse as negatives rather than as B&W prints.
 
I found the lack of a side ladder up to the dome platform very curious, so I downloaded it and and flipped the tones with Graphic Converter for your enjoyment and approval. Why this car should be missing its ladder is beyond me. I see no wreck damage. I can understand no ladder if there is no platform on that side of the car. The car is almost pristine, so maybe they just hadn't gotten around to putting on the ladder after repairs or repainting. Enjoy the mystery.
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff  

 

 

 

 


Re: N&W Ladderless Tank Car

Mark Vinski
 

What I think are chalk guidelines used to keep the lettering straight look like decal edges. They apparently did not help to keep the reporting marks and stripes straight.
Mark Vinski

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