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Re: Flat Black

Mont Switzer
 

John,

 

Agree completely.  I still use Floquil and Scalecoat I thinning it and cleaning brushes with lacquer thinner.  I use the same lacquer thinner that they use in the body shop and never had a problem…...other than me doing something really stupid.  Quality materials won’t prevent that.  

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sykes III via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 6:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Mont:

I use standard paint thinner (a/k/a mineral spirits, a/k/a Stoddard solvent) with SCII (I do not use the low-odor paint thinner).

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  ScaleCoat paints (both I & II) require a high-VOC thinner to work properly.  I think the latest can I got was like 800 g/L VOCs (would give a California tree-hugger a stroke!).

-- John


Re: 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Garth 

It certainly looks like a B50-15 

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 Sep 2020, at 23:40, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Claus and Charles,

It is a B-50-15, built for the SP subsidiary Morgan's Louisiana & Texas (ML&T) in 1925 as 53060-53559 or 1926 as 36210-36509. These were relettered to T&NO, probably around 1928, though I wasn't able to find the exact date. T&NO ended up with 800, while the SP had 3,100. Some lasted on the SP as late as 1970. The last T&NO car was retired around 1965.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:45 PM Charles Morrill <badlands@...> wrote:
I can make out the SP herald and the "T&" before the vertical rib.  I would take it as a T&NO car.



From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:26:44 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Hi List Members,
 
The resolution on this image is lacking a bit, but my feeling is that the reporting mark on this 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar might be T&NO - does anyone have thoughts one way or the other?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Flat Black

Kenneth Montero
 

Bill,

From an earlier posting by Jon Miller on August 31 - these folks buy & sell Floquil, and currently list Glaze for sale (I just checked):


Ken Montero


On 09/01/2020 7:12 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


I had a fair stash of flotilla when they shut down and have accumulated more of their basic colors since.  What I did no have was Dio sol.

I got the mix for Diosol from a trusted modeler.
It is :

       40%   Toluene
        40%   Nathan
        20%   Xylene

I think I have a lifetime supply of these.  Now if I could just find Floquil Glaze.

Bill Pardie

   

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 9/1/20 12:26 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

John Sykes wrote:

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  

     Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here.
      Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds."

Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA




Re: Flat Black

Craig Zeni
 

As Mont says, I use the SC II thinner.  I put too much time into models to risk ruining one by trying to cheap out on the thinner, no matter whose paint.  Hardware store lacquer thinner gets used for clean up but for the actual finish? Manufacturer's thinner.  A $10 can of SC II thinner I bought 10 years ago is barely half gone.    The lone exception is using Mr Self Leveling Thinner with Tru Color; the Tru Color thinner is too darn volatile and obscenely expensive.  The Mr SLT works great on the stuff.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Automotive Restoration high gloss lacquer reducer

Tony Thompson
 


Andy Carlson wrote:

This firm sells High Quality lacquer reducer (Automotive paint shops name for lacquer thinner). 

    Richard Hendrickson used automotive lacquer thinner for everything in model painting, and bought it in cartons of four quart cans. I inherited a full can.

Tony Thompson




Re: Diosol Formula Again

Jeff Coleman
 

I've been using straight Xylene with Floquil for past 25 yrs. with no problems. 

Jeff Coleman

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 8:35 PM qmp211 <milepost206@...> wrote:
Greetings,

This is a re-post to.

I copied the Diosol formula posted in one of the yahoo groups several years ago by a chemist who lab analyzed and posted the formula. This is as posted verbatim.

"38% by vol toluene, 41% by vol xylene and 21% by vol Solvesso 100 (a long evaporation rate aromatic hydrocarbon solvent). Getting the toluene and xylene is not difficult, but the Solvesso 100 is only available through chemical suppliers."

I was fortunate to have a local paint manufacturer that could provide the Solvesso 100. Solvesso is also known as Naptha and  available in various grades.

All the ingredients were available at Sherwin Williams 6 months ago.

Randy Danniel


Re: Diosol Formula Again

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 1, 2020, at 17:35, qmp211 <milepost206@mchsi.com> wrote:

Greetings,

This is a re-post to.

I copied the Diosol formula posted in one of the yahoo groups several years ago by a chemist who lab analyzed and posted the formula. This is as posted verbatim.

"38% by vol toluene, 41% by vol xylene and 21% by vol Solvesso 100 (a long evaporation rate aromatic hydrocarbon solvent). Getting the toluene and xylene is not difficult, but the Solvesso 100 is only available through chemical suppliers."
I've read the MSDS docs for toluene and xylene so many times that I'm glad I don't play with Diosol any more. Nitrile gloves and an extremely well-ventilated workspace are necessities for me...


Diosol Formula Again

qmp211
 

Greetings,

This is a re-post to.

I copied the Diosol formula posted in one of the yahoo groups several years ago by a chemist who lab analyzed and posted the formula. This is as posted verbatim.

"38% by vol toluene, 41% by vol xylene and 21% by vol Solvesso 100 (a long evaporation rate aromatic hydrocarbon solvent). Getting the toluene and xylene is not difficult, but the Solvesso 100 is only available through chemical suppliers."

I was fortunate to have a local paint manufacturer that could provide the Solvesso 100. Solvesso is also known as Naptha and  available in various grades.

All the ingredients were available at Sherwin Williams 6 months ago.

Randy Danniel


Re: Photo: Loading A Fire Truck

John Barry
 

I have one of the Crown Custom Imports models of the X30 in the Later Oxide Red-Later Keystone.  Before I strip and repaint as shown below, does anyone have one in Circle Keystone that they are willing to trade for my later scheme?

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, August 31, 2020, 09:28:01 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Loading A Fire Truck

Eric Kurowski posted these photos on the Facebook Railroad Images Of Bygone Days site. I believe we've seen the photo of the entire boxcar before.
I imagine the fellow on the truck had to duck when the last few feet of the fire truck entered the boxcar.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Automotive Restoration high gloss lacquer reducer

Andy Carlson
 

This firm sells High Quality lacquer reducer (Automotive paint shops name for lacquer thinner). I just bought a one gallon can with free shipping to California for $47.95. If a modeler were to use this product solely for thinning air brush mixtures this gallon can could last for a long time. Use the Ace Hardware lacquer thinner for clean up; A win win situation. I have used this many times for AccuPaint and it could be very close to the same mix as AccuPaint brand of thinner. It is $0.37 per ounce.

Years ago the author James Six was often admitting to using automotive reducer for thinning all of the solvent paints--Floquil, Scalecoat 1, Accupaint. and others. He was titled "King of the diesel painters" by a magazine, perhaps Mainline Modeler.


. https://tcpglobal.com/  Click on Autopaints and under "paint additives and supplies" followed by "Paint reducers and thinners". They also handle airbrush and compressors. They have a airbrush nozzle clearing brass tool which is highly recommended by Thom Knapp who is an active and succesful acrylic painter.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





Re: Flat Black

Steve SANDIFER
 

Same here. Used HD stuff today. However they have taken my MEK away and replaced it with MEK Substitute.  Living in Houston.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 6:19 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

 

Hmm, 20+ years of using HD lacquer thinner with excellent results.  Of course I buy in Texas and perhaps it is real lacquer thinner.  Jerry Michels


Flat Black

Andy Carlson
 

"Lacquer Thinner" is much like blended wine--it has 3-4, perhaps more, components. The blends determine the quality and the traits in what they are designed to provide. Almost all lacquer thinners can thin lacquer, some just are better for our modeling purposes. I still consider Hardware Store Lacquer Thinner to be a clean up liquid. The better automotive Lacquer Reducers will more often give superior results than crap shot hardware store versions. Acetone is probably the major component for Lacquer Thinners which can and will thin lacquers; it just won't do a good job by flashing off too quickly. That is why the other components are blended in. I prefer thinners which are slow flashing, a "Hot Shop" reducer.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 4:18:58 PM PDT, Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:


The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

Hmm, 20+ years of using HD lacquer thinner with excellent results.  Of course I buy in Texas and perhaps it is real lacquer thinner.  Jerry Michels


Re: Flat Black

Jerry Michels
 

The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

Hmm, 20+ years of using HD lacquer thinner with excellent results.  Of course I buy in Texas and perhaps it is real lacquer thinner.  Jerry Michels


Re: Flat Black

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I had a fair stash of flotilla when they shut down and have accumulated more of their basic colors since.  What I did no have was Dio sol.

I got the mix for Diosol from a trusted modeler.
It is :

       40%   Toluene
        40%   Nathan
        20%   Xylene

I think I have a lifetime supply of these.  Now if I could just find Floquil Glaze.

Bill Pardie

   

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 9/1/20 12:26 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

John Sykes wrote:

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  

     Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here.
      Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds."

Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA




Re: 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Claus and Charles,

It is a B-50-15, built for the SP subsidiary Morgan's Louisiana & Texas (ML&T) in 1925 as 53060-53559 or 1926 as 36210-36509. These were relettered to T&NO, probably around 1928, though I wasn't able to find the exact date. T&NO ended up with 800, while the SP had 3,100. Some lasted on the SP as late as 1970. The last T&NO car was retired around 1965.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:45 PM Charles Morrill <badlands@...> wrote:
I can make out the SP herald and the "T&" before the vertical rib.  I would take it as a T&NO car.



From: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:26:44 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar

Hi List Members,
 
The resolution on this image is lacking a bit, but my feeling is that the reporting mark on this 40ft Pratt truss single sheathed boxcar might be T&NO - does anyone have thoughts one way or the other?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

John Sykes wrote:

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  

     Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here.
      Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds."

Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA




Re: Photo: Reading 12343A

mel perry
 

what was their normal assignment?
thanks
mel perry


Re: Flat Black

John Sykes III
 

Mont:

I use standard paint thinner (a/k/a mineral spirits, a/k/a Stoddard solvent) with SCII (I do not use the low-odor paint thinner).

SCI is a whole different problem.  Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol).  I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams).  The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc.

If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada.  ScaleCoat paints (both I & II) require a high-VOC thinner to work properly.  I think the latest can I got was like 800 g/L VOCs (would give a California tree-hugger a stroke!).

-- John


Re: Photo: Reading 12343A

Eric Lombard
 

Hi Everybody,
Here is some demographic data for the car in the photo and its sisters.

RDG 11600-12870 random
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1941[7]   4  RBLT and reclassed XMph without RENO from: #11600, 
11801, 12343, 12677 out of 11550-12349 and 12350-12999. XMp
For chocolate bean hull haulage. 3 pairs of square roof hatches. 
Internal slope sheets. 2 bottom hoppers. 
1948       2 RBLT and reclassed XMph without RENO from #12854, 12870 out of 12350-12999. XMp
1954[2]-
1954[5]   6  RBLT with AB brakes.
1956(4)   6  #11600, 11801, 11954, 12343, 12677, 12870.

1959[5]        #11600, 11801, 11954, 12677, XMph, retired.

1960[8]   2  #12343, 12870, last cars in service, retired.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 8:29 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Reading 12343A
Robert Wanner posted these photos on the Facebook Railroad Images Of Bygone Days site.

He commented, " 'To be used exclusively at Hershey, Pa.' So we have a wooden Cocoa bean boxcar 12343 A, the suffix meaning in special service. No doors so hatchbacks on roof and hopper discharge underneath. Dated 7/41, but not sure that's the Built date. Looks new in photo, but could be rebuilt in Reading Shops. Original covered hopper car? Wooden foot block on rail to prevent drifting for photo shoot. Looks like string of brand new (or rebuilt) coal hopper cars in background. Would make interesting model. Reading Company photos."

Interesting car. Anyone know its background?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Flat Black

Mont Switzer
 

I learned the hard way to always use Scalecoat II thinner with Scalecoat II paint.  Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Sykes III via groups.io [johnsykesiii@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat.  Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith!  It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).

For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic).  By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry.  Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano!

-- John

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